Jeb Bush’s 9/11 problem

[wildbilln864]

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On the campaign trail in New Hampshire two weeks ago, Jeb Bush was asked a question for which he clearly wasn’t prepared, which hearkened back to Bush’s time as Florida Governor.
“According to Sergeant Marty (Mike) Treanor and other law enforcement officials in Sarasota Florida, the files pertaining to 9/11 hijacker pilots Marwan Al-Shehhi and Mohamed Atta from Huffman Aviation Flight School in Venice Florida were loaded onto two Ryder trucks and driven onto a C-130 cargo plane which left Sarasota the day after 9/11,” began newly-minted radio talk show host Mike Jackman, who with his brother comprise a media outlet pols this election season can ill afford to miss appearing on called Jackman Radio.

jackman-bros“Is it true that you were onboard the C-130? And, if so, can you tell us what became of the files?”

According to those who were there, a certain amount of discomfort ensued. Bush, who has appeared as limp as overcooked spaghetti on the campaign trail, visibly stiffened.
more here...

[leveymg]

1. FOIA the records?

[Human101948]

4. We can neither confirm nor deny the existence of these files, Mr. Leveymg...

That's the standard answer that I got when researching my own father's involvement with the CIA three or four decades ago. They just have to claim national security and they don't have to release anything.

[Octafish]

6. Secrecy has made some masters over our democracy.

EXCERPT...

Privatizing the Apocalypse

How Nuclear Weapons Companies Commandeer Your Tax Dollars

By Richard Krushnic and Jonathan Alan King
TomDispatch.com, Sept. 22, 2015

EXCERPT...

In 2012, a report from a high-level committee chaired by former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General James Cartwright concluded that “no sensible argument has been put forward for using nuclear weapons to solve any of the major 21st century problems we face [including] threats posed by rogue states, failed states, proliferation, regional conflicts, terrorism, cyber warfare, organized crime, drug trafficking, conflict-driven mass migration of refugees, epidemics, or climate change. In fact, nuclear weapons have on balance arguably become more a part of the problem than any solution.”

Not surprisingly, for the roster of corporations involved in the U.S. nuclear programs, this matters little. They, in fact, maintain elaborate lobbying operations in support of their continuing nuclear weapons contracts. In a 2012 study for the Center for International Policy, “Bombs vs. Budgets: Inside the Nuclear Weapons Lobby,” William Hartung and Christine Anderson reported that, for the elections of that year, the top 14 contractors gave nearly $3 million directly to Congressional legislators. Not surprisingly, half that sum went to members of the four key committees or subcommittees that oversee spending for nuclear arms.

In 2015, the defense industry mobilized a small army of at least 718 lobbyists and doled out more than $67 million dollars pressuring Congress for increased weapons spending generally. Among the largest contributors were corporations with significant nuclear weapons contracts, including Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and General Dynamics. Such pro-nuclear lobbying is augmented by contributions and pressure from missile and aircraft companies that are primarily non-nuclear. Some of the systems they produce, however, are potentially dual-use (conventional and nuclear), which means that a robust nuclear weapons program increases their potential market.

The continuing pressure of Congressional Republicans for cuts in domestic social programs are a crucial mechanism that ensures federal tax dollars will be available for lucrative military contracts. In terms of quality of life (and death), this means that underestimating the influence of the nuclear weapons industry is singularly dangerous. For the $35 billion or more the U.S. taxpayer will put into such weaponry annually to support the narrow interests of a modest number of companies, the payback is fear of an apocalyptic future. After all, unlike almost all other corporate lobbies, the nuclear weapons lobby (and so your tax dollars) put life on Earth at risk of rapid extinction, either following the direct destruction of a nuclear holocaust or a radical reduction in sunlight reaching the Earth’s surface that would come from the sort of nuclear winter that would follow almost any nuclear exchange. At the moment, the corporate-nuclear complex is hidden in our midst, its budgets and funds shielded from public scrutiny, its project hardly noticed. It’s a formula for disaster.

SOURCE: http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176047/tomgram%3A_krushnic_and_king%2C_the_corporate_nuclear_complex/#more

Sorry to jump in. But when the future of the nation is at stake, politesse needs take a second position.

[JohnyCanuck]

2. Visibly stiffened you say?

Hang on a moment, and let me check my unofficial CIA manual for detecting body language signals that more "probing" of a suspect is warranted, as said subject might be hiding information they would rather not divulge, but you would really like to know.

Uh oh! Looks like maybe Jeb has some more 'splainin to do.

Spy the Lie: Former CIA Officers Teach You How to Detect Deception

Detecting deception isn't magic and it isn't infallible. But it is possible to become better at it than most of us are now. The book identifies several barriers to accurately detecting deception. We expect most people to tell the truth, we ask the wrong questions, and we look for the wrong "tells" in other people's behavior. And we try to watch everything they do instead of focusing on a small number of reliable indicators.

Such reliable indicators of deception include certain kinds of verbal hesitations and evasions as well as specific body movements of which a deceiver is largely unaware. Readers learn to ask questions that require different mental processing from guilty versus innocent suspects. One technique is to ask questions a good guy will answer with an immediate--and perhaps angry--"No!" while the bad guy will need to give a longer, more carefully worded response. We watch for deception indicators that begin in the first five seconds after a question. And we look for clusters of indicators rather than for single actions. There is more to it, of course, but this is the core methodology the book presents. It's good stuff. And it's learnable.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R13E6KBHMLNNTM/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1250029627&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=283155&store=books

[ProgressiveEconomist]

15. Are these the "17 pantomimes" Christopher

Walken's character is supposed to have learned in Sicily in Quentin Tarantino's film "True Romance"? See http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/39588.html

[uhnope]

3. ...

[DonnaM]

5. That was an EXTREMELY

interesting read - thank you for posting!

[AzDar]

7. K & R

[hack89]

8. Danial Hopsicker and Madcow News?

a CT site is the best you can do?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

9. "a CT site is the best you can do?"

It's about all he does.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

11. Showing up to squelch questions about 9/11 is about all hack89 does, indeed for a decade on DU.

And he's not the only one. There's a 10yr+ contingent on DU whose only contribution to this website is to run around putting out any 9/11 fires that pop up on this website.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. I bet they're in on it.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

13. I don't know about that. But they're damn sure invested in it. Nobody burns up that much of

their mortality without some sort of vested interest.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

16. "Nobody burns up that much of their mortality without some sort of vested interest."

huh

[ChisolmTrailDem]

10. So, Jeb! was in charge of the pilot-training part of Operation New Pearl Harbor.

I'm not the least bit surprised since daddy appears to have been the Capo of the CIA mob for decades, probably even to this day.

[dougolat]

17. More likely, a little hush money from the 'connected' drug smuggling

His dad's connections, that is.

[KamaAina]

14. "who has appeared as limp as overcooked spaghetti on the campaign trail"

Anyone want to throw him up against the wall and see if he sticks?

[Raine1967]

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