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Thu May 24, 2012, 11:59 AM

Here's How Weird Our Obsession With Rich People

Reality check, anyone?


Found on the Facebook page of USeD and FED-up no more/MoveOn.org

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Reply Here's How Weird Our Obsession With Rich People (Original post)
Playinghardball May 2012 OP
cali May 2012 #1
ret5hd May 2012 #20
cali May 2012 #21
A HERETIC I AM May 2012 #28
Nye Bevan May 2012 #2
jp11 May 2012 #4
CJCRANE May 2012 #5
Nye Bevan May 2012 #7
HiPointDem May 2012 #27
liberalhistorian May 2012 #15
Initech May 2012 #32
dkf May 2012 #3
Ikonoklast May 2012 #6
coalition_unwilling May 2012 #9
deutsey May 2012 #14
Crowman1979 May 2012 #19
woo me with science May 2012 #25
liberalhistorian May 2012 #16
DoBotherMe May 2012 #22
Ty Templeton May 2012 #23
DoBotherMe May 2012 #30
Spoonman May 2012 #33
progressoid May 2012 #26
HangOnKids May 2012 #29
devilgrrl May 2012 #35
fascisthunter May 2012 #8
hughee99 May 2012 #10
CJCRANE May 2012 #18
Noose4 May 2012 #11
Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #12
fascisthunter May 2012 #13
FiveGoodMen May 2012 #24
The2ndWheel May 2012 #17
4th law of robotics May 2012 #31
Fumesucker May 2012 #34
4th law of robotics May 2012 #36
Fumesucker May 2012 #37

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 24, 2012, 12:05 PM

1. sorry, that's ridiculous.

I shouldn't even have to explain why.



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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Thu May 24, 2012, 02:22 PM

20. You need to explain to me.

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #20)

Thu May 24, 2012, 02:24 PM

21. OK. Amassing cats or newspapers doesn't mean amassing power

amassing money, does. It also means security and comfort. Life is easier with money. And humans are attracted to power and security.

Not that cats aren't great.

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Response to cali (Reply #21)

Thu May 24, 2012, 11:14 PM

28. Cats aren't great. n/t

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 24, 2012, 12:12 PM

2. Mark Zuckerberg built a company from nothing,

created thousands of jobs, and made millionaires of many of his employees.

What have newspaper guy and cat lady contributed to society?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #2)

Thu May 24, 2012, 12:38 PM

4. He had help it wasn't nothing.

His business created what 2000 jobs?

Lots of millionaires, made on the idea of getting people to feel good about being unpaid lab rats handing over their personal information. That fosters a crappy social network method of interacting with people, you don't need to know your 'friends' FB keeps their bio on hand for you, it is on 'the cloud' just connect and it will tell you who your friends are.

That newspaper guy is a hero from Afghanistan who saved three fellow soldiers after and IED took out their truck,

The cay lady is a surgeon who specializes in reattaching severed limbs giving people a second chance after a horrible injury or accident.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #2)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:13 PM

5. What about Mitt Romney?

He has a quarter of a billion stashed away in various countries.

He gets about $20M a year in interest. I'm sure he doesn't even spend a quarter of that, so it just piles up...

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #5)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:18 PM

7. The difference between Zuckerberg and Romney.

Zuckerberg built his own company as opposed to preying like a vulture on companies that others built.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #7)

Thu May 24, 2012, 11:08 PM

27. No, Suckerberg doesn't "prey" -- just that his entire business plan = selling the personal info

 

that people are stupid enough to give him, and laughing at them in the bargain.

Nah, no vulture there.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #2)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:46 PM

15. Actually, he didn't "create it from nothing".

He stole the whole thing from the college kids who hired him to help them with the technical aspect of implementing it and bringing it to fruition, then shut them out, claimed it was all HIS idea and doing, and had to be forced by a court to acknowledge their contributions and give them a share of profits. And he's made many of his millions by surrepticiously selling the private data of his customers, without their knowledge or permission, and refusing to bend to protests from his own customers; his own enrichment is far more important. And what, exactly, has he done for others and society with his now billions? Has he done anything else except enrich himself and his employees?

Maybe the newspaper guy and the cat lady are soldiers and/or professionals who help or have helped others? You DO realize that because someone isn't rich or hasn't built a company that doesn't translate automatically to their not contributing anything to society? Or at least I'd hope you would. My parents were both teachers for decades, now retired, and aren't rich by any means. In fact, my father is now in a nursing home with dementia at an early age and most of their not-so-great pensions and assets goes to pay for it, with my mother struggling each month on what little is left her. I'd say they each contributed far more to society than Zuckerberg ever has or ever will, yet he will never be lacking for any comfort whatsoever.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #2)

Fri May 25, 2012, 02:19 PM

32. Watch "The Social Network".

Zuckerberg made several billion but he stabbed a shitload of people in the back to get that money - he's a definite 1%er.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 24, 2012, 12:19 PM

3. If you think wanting to be rich is crazy I think you are crazy.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #3)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:16 PM

6. Sorry, not everyone wants to be rich.

Most people want to be free of debt, of want, and to be comfortable.

That is far from rich, that is what many Americans use to be able to do.

People that obsess over the accumulation of wealth and 'stuff' are not healthy individuals.

In the end, they end up just as dead as poor people.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #6)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:21 PM

9. Indeed, I am fairly certain that Freud (and\or Jung?) had

 

much to say on the compulsion to hoard, whether the object of hoarding be newspapers, cats or cash.

I cannot put my hands on it right at the moment, but I think Freud discusses something similar in Eros and Thanatos. Any Freud experts out there care to weigh in?

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #6)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:30 PM

14. That's me. I have no desire to be rich n/t

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #6)

Thu May 24, 2012, 02:08 PM

19. Right on! People also want to not have to work for someone who isn't an a-hole, in a job they hate.

If I had excess cash, I would give it away to those who need it.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #6)

Thu May 24, 2012, 02:52 PM

25. Thank you. nt

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Response to dkf (Reply #3)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:49 PM

16. There's nothing at all crazy or wrong with

wanting to be rich. Money is, after all, simply freedom. Where the craziness and wrongness of it comes in is if you use and screw over others to get rich, and/or use the assets of others with far less means than you in order to get rich. Like, say, the psychopaths on Wall Street who play with the retirement and savings assets of others like it was their own money, then make their millions doing it while impovershing those whose money they played with and who can never get it back.

The crazy wrongness comes from thinking the rich are better simply because they're rich and that, if they're rich, that automatically means they're contributing more somehow to society. Bullshit.

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Response to liberalhistorian (Reply #16)

Thu May 24, 2012, 02:28 PM

22. Money is a construct

that is used to define freedom. Jesus the moralist said "money is the root of all evil." Dana ; )

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Response to DoBotherMe (Reply #22)

Thu May 24, 2012, 02:36 PM

23. Almost the right quote

The quotation is "Love of money is the root of all evil." The money itself is passive and inert, and isn't evil on its own.

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Response to Ty Templeton (Reply #23)

Fri May 25, 2012, 02:06 PM

30. No, it was enhanced in the King James version

From the Greek, it translates as "money is the root of all evil." Dana ; )

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Response to DoBotherMe (Reply #30)

Fri May 25, 2012, 02:27 PM

33. "The lack of money is the root of starvation" - the ME version n/t

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #3)

Fri May 25, 2012, 01:04 AM

29. Why don't you tell the good folks at DU how you got/made your money dkf?

You always defend the capitalist model, please share your secret to great wealth. Thanks!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:20 PM

8. Perfect!!!!!!

the ones who are greedy will get pissed at this.... too funny!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:22 PM

10. Most people have no idea what they'd do with a pile of newspapers

or a heard of cats, but everyone has ideas on what they would do with a hoard of cash. MoveOn.org is constantly raising money, but I don't recall them ever asking people to donate newspapers or cats.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #10)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:58 PM

18. You've hit on the difference...

"everyone has ideas on what they would do with a hoard of cash" (italics are mine).

That's the point - most of us want money for the things we could *do* - things we could build, things we could buy, services we could buy, people we could help, places we could travel to, courses we could study etc.

And granted there are plenty of billionaires who actually do things with their money. But there are many others who just sit on the cash and watch it pile up.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:24 PM

11. I dont care what somebody else has

unless they are getting filthy rich at the expense of the American workforce, a business does well all boats should rise but in today's world the top seems to want to keep it all.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:27 PM

12. "The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor." Voltaire

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #12)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:27 PM

13. yeee-up!

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #12)

Thu May 24, 2012, 02:47 PM

24. Exactly. (And exactly the reason that the GOP is destroying the economy)

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu May 24, 2012, 01:50 PM

17. The difference is that people want some of that money

When we live in Waterworld, the guy with the newspapers won't be so crazy.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 02:10 PM

31. Old newspapers have no utility

 

cash on the other hand . . .

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #31)

Fri May 25, 2012, 02:33 PM

34. Utility is in the hand of the utilizer..

And when you have more than you can possibly spend already what is the marginal utility of another dollar, or another million dollars?

Beyond the point where you have enough to comfortably support your life money really is far more about status than anything to to with actually purchasing anything, it's the way we keep score in our society.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #34)

Fri May 25, 2012, 03:58 PM

36. Comfortable is different for everyone

 

I feel uncomfortable telling other people that they aren't living appropriately because they have chosen a different course than I have.

Some people work out excessively because they like the status. Or for other reasons.

Some people spend hours putting on make-up for the attention. Or for other reasons.

Some people spend months rebuilding an old car. And so on.

People are status seeking creatures. It's hardwired in to us. Eliminating that behavior will be as successful as convincing people to give up sex or gossiping or eating bacon or . . . .

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #36)

Fri May 25, 2012, 05:56 PM

37. It doesn't mean we have to enable destructive status seeking behavior..

And accumulating wealth beyond a certain point does become destructive of society, if for no other reason than reducing the velocity of money through the economy.

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