Does this seem reasonable and fair?

[AtomicKitten]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by etherealtruth (a host of the General Discussion forum).

It has come to my attention recently that there is a discrepancy in what I see in my profile and what the rest of DU sees.

When I look at my profile, I see this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=173816

Eligibility to Serve on Jury: Yes.

Turns out the rest of you are seeing this: http://imgur.com/oYbaqyG

Eligibility to Serve on Jury: No.

Problem #1: Why the duplicity? It has been this way for months apparently. I am told it's a glitch, still it remains uncorrected.

I inquired about being excluded from Jury Duty and was advised it was posted in 2013: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10132863

Members who are abusive while performing jury service will lose the privilege of serving on juries.
The administrators are getting increasingly concerned about the small number of members who repeatedly post rude juror comments while serving on juries. The vast majority of jurors are doing the job in good faith, but unfortunately a small number of people are not. Some people seem to be using the juror comments as a "free" opportunity to make extremely abusive comments to people -- that's not ok. If any juror has a history of inappropriate comments, or if any juror makes a single comment that is way over the line, then we are going to exclude that individual from jury service. If we do take away any person's jury privileges, we will do so transparently and make a note of it on that person's profile page. (Look for the words "Eligible to serve on Juries?&quot

Yet when I inquired about the exact nature of the penalty, this was the response I got which is quite different than the actual posted notice:

Also, whenever a person serves on a jury, this text appears just above the comment section, highlighted in red: "If you submit abusive or offensive comments when serving on a jury, your eligibility to serve on juries may be revoked, and the comment which caused the loss of eligibility may be displayed publicly on your Profile page."

Removal from jury service is permanent.

Problem #2: A person who has accumulated five hides is temporarily suspended. On their return, all rights and privileges are restored including their transparency page being hidden again. I don't understand why two off-color jury comments earns me a permanent suspension from jury duty and permanent public shaming.

I'm curious what the community thinks of this inequity in penalties. I'm asking about whether or not the community thinks this is fair; if you just don't like me it is a given you will be fine with this, but I'm wondering what everyone else thinks.

[snooper2]

1. This is HUGH!

be better if you included the comments that were "off-color"




You say something like- Your momma dresses funny!

[AtomicKitten]

2. It's in my Profile and in second image I posted under Jury which is a snapshot of my Profile.

The Profile everyone else sees but me.

[snooper2]

5. hmm, that actually doesn't seem too bad...I better watch my tone LOL

I thought it would be something like-

"Fuck off alerter you should be beaten like a red-headed step child!"

[AtomicKitten]

14. Thanks. I accept the timeout. The permanent nature of it is tough to digest.

[lumberjack_jeff]

3. When I click on the link to your profile I see... exactly what you provide in your screenshot

Unsurprising actually... being one of "the rest of you".

Could you post a screenshot of what *you* see?

[AtomicKitten]

6. Click on my first link. It is an image of what my Profile looks for only me.

[petronius]

13. Your first link is just a link to your profile, when we click it we see it the

way we always see it, not the way you see it (we see it as 'us,' not as 'you').

Can you take a screenshot of what you see?

[AtomicKitten]

16. here's a screenshot of my profile that is what I see

[petronius]

23. Interesting. I would guess that the different views is just a programming glitch--at least,

I hope the Admins wouldn't want to hide from people that they'd been excluded from juries. How did you find out, did you just notice that you hadn't been called for a long time?

As for your question, my opinion would be that the ban shouldn't be permanent, at least not the first time. A broad representation on juries seems beneficial, and rude comments--although deserving of some censure--don't really prove a juror unfit to help shape community standards (no more than a couple of hidden posts do, anyway). I'd call it fair if the sanctions for hidden posts and hide-worthy jury comments were somewhat equivalent...

[AtomicKitten]

24. I received no notification.

I haven't served on a jury in months. I thought it was because I pop in & out a lot; I'm self-employed and work at home. I heard from someone who commented on my 2 jury comments featured on my profile page that I cannot see. They were kind enough to send me a screenshot yesterday. That's how I found out.

[darkangel218]

31. Now that I think about it, it did happen to someone on DI

He was banned from the jury, but his profile said otherwise. And he was never notified.

[AtomicKitten]

32. I've been a member here for 10 years.

I guess I expected to at least be notified and treated fairly. Oh well.

[Nye Bevan]

4. While you shouldn't have made those juror comments

it does indeed seem a little harsh to leave them up on your profile page in perpetuity.

[AtomicKitten]

10. The comments were made months ago.

And, yes, they were harsh. Some of the petty alerts just got on my last nerve.

I've been excluded from Jury Duty for months. I accept that I earned that timeout. But permanently? That I think is over the top.

Thanks for your comment.

[KamaAina]

7. This should go in AtA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259

or they might put you on double secret probation.

[AtomicKitten]

11. No doubt.

[seaotter]

8. "...I don't understand why two off color jury comments earns me a ........"

Put me down as " I think it's fair."

[AtomicKitten]

18. welcome to DU

[marym625]

9. Wow

Well that's a bunch of hooey! Yet the person who stated they'll always vote to hide a Sanders supporter can still be on a jury. At least as far as I have been able to find.

Yeah, I'm with you.

[AtomicKitten]

12. Thank you.

I thought I'd lost my damn mind with the disparity in penalties.

Cheers.

[Oilwellian]

15. No, I don't think it's fair

There should at least be a warning before making something like that become permanent. It's similar to wearing a scarlet letter.

I stopped being a star member when the jury system was introduced. I knew it would become a mess and create cliques...and that it has.

[AtomicKitten]

17. thank you

[AtomicKitten]

19. I need to get back to work now. Thank you for the comments. I appreciate the input. Cheers.

[zappaman]

20. Yes. n/t

[GeorgeGist]

21. I think you touched a nerve ...

of the humor impaired.

[Rex]

22. That doesn't make any sense and there is no reason for it to look different.

The admins did this? I find that hard to believe. Why would they make it any different from what we see? Sounds fishy to me, not that I am saying fishy as in you did it yourself...just I am shocked the admins would go that extra step.

[AtomicKitten]

25. I just found out yesterday.

See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027216322#post24

[Rex]

26. That is the craziest thing I've seen here since DU started.

Considering people that leave Timeouts get treated better, I think it is somewhat unfair.

[darkangel218]

29. I agree

We should be able to see what actually our profile says.

Wth...

[William769]

27. One thing is for sure, it will put the breaks on people thinking they can say whatever they want

anonymously.

I applaud the Admins for this action.

You are not the first to have this happen to you but hopefully will be one of the last now that the community knows the Admins are serious.

[AtomicKitten]

28. Shocked I tells ya that you would say this.

My 2 jury comments don't come close to the garbage you kick around on your new website
http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com including your organized jury-packing efforts here to "take out" certain DUers. Ya, we saw that.

[darkangel218]

30. Seriously? Lol...

Have a great night

[etherealtruth]

33. I am sorry, LOCKING

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