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applegrove

(118,012 posts)
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 11:42 PM Sep 2015

Pope Francis Met With Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis, Her Lawyers Say

Pope Francis Met With Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis, Her Lawyers Say

By ABC NEWS

http://abcnews.go.com/US/pope-francis-met-kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-lawyers/story?id=34132136

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Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis, who refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, privately met with Pope Francis during his historic trip to the U.S., according to her legal team.

Davis and her husband Joe met with the pope at the Vatican Embassy in Washington, D.C., on Sept. 24, according to a statement from the Liberty Counsel.

Neither the Vatican nor the Apostolic Nunciature in Washington, D.C., have commented on the statement from Davis' legal team.

ABC News' Terry Moran asked Francis Sunday night if he supports individuals, including government officials, who claim religious liberty as a reason to disobey the law.

Francis responded, "I can't have in mind all the cases that can exist about conscientious objection, but, yes, I can say that conscientious objection is a right that is a part of every human right. It is a right. And if a person does not allow others to be a conscientious objector, he denies a right."



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Pope Francis Met With Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis, Her Lawyers Say (Original Post) applegrove Sep 2015 OP
So, appoint a conciencious objector to head BATF... HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #1
Exactly. Vatican has come out with a statement. I wonder why it was a meeting applegrove Sep 2015 #2
both creatures showing their true colors nt msongs Sep 2015 #3
her lawyers are not trustworthy. spanone Sep 2015 #3
The vatican just confirmed it. Such a disappointment. applegrove Sep 2015 #5
Ugh redstateblues Sep 2015 #8
well that's a sad footnote to his visit. is huckabee being canonized? spanone Sep 2015 #11
Talk about a let down. I never agreed with the pope on everything he said but this applegrove Sep 2015 #13
well, he's the ultimate religious nut just like ms davis. spanone Sep 2015 #14
The Vatican didn't confirm it. That link is just to an individual Catholic's website pnwmom Sep 2015 #22
well, i just googled it and have found NO corroborating info!!! spanone Sep 2015 #24
Given his tight schedule last Thursday, it doesn't seem likely he had a private audience underahedgerow Sep 2015 #33
Moynihan is of limited credibility himself... Chan790 Sep 2015 #15
That is NOT a Vatican publication. The website and magazine pnwmom Sep 2015 #20
That is very disappointing, if true LittleBlue Sep 2015 #23
Yup. Chan790 Sep 2015 #9
Anyone believe the Liberty U attorneys? redstateblues Sep 2015 #6
See reply #3. applegrove Sep 2015 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author onehandle Sep 2015 #10
I am a conscientious objector to to stopping postulater Sep 2015 #12
My religion prohibits me from using indoor restrooms. cheapdate Sep 2015 #21
I wanted my lasting memory of the Pope to be his receiving oasis Sep 2015 #16
Yeah, and IF it happened it was so important the Vatican's keeping it secret. pnwmom Sep 2015 #17
You DO realize this is bullshit...don't you ? n/t jaysunb Sep 2015 #18
I hope so. I usually trust ABC News. applegrove Sep 2015 #25
Note that it's not part of their newscast. jaysunb Sep 2015 #26
New York Times and the Guardian have it now. applegrove Sep 2015 #27
Of course they do. jaysunb Sep 2015 #29
All they "have" is the original story from the lawyer, that they're just repeating. pnwmom Sep 2015 #31
And didn't wait to verify it with the Vatican before publishing. Demit Sep 2015 #32
Why no pics? If it was bad PR why do it in the first place? oasis Sep 2015 #19
And if it was a person who refused to issue marriage certificates to non-virgins ohnoyoudidnt Sep 2015 #28
It's being reported by the Guardian and NBC News, too but octoberlib Sep 2015 #30
Modern technology makes it easy to propogate unsubstantiated stories Retrograde Sep 2015 #34
I stand corrected. applegrove Sep 2015 #35
Thanks for the info! I guess it's just too much trouble to fact check anymore. octoberlib Sep 2015 #36
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
1. So, appoint a conciencious objector to head BATF...
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 11:46 PM
Sep 2015

...and have them reject all gun licenses. Watch RW heads explode.

applegrove

(118,012 posts)
2. Exactly. Vatican has come out with a statement. I wonder why it was a meeting
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 11:48 PM
Sep 2015

'that dare not speak it's name' until tonight?

applegrove

(118,012 posts)
13. Talk about a let down. I never agreed with the pope on everything he said but this
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:00 AM
Sep 2015

has let the air out of my balloon.

spanone

(135,632 posts)
14. well, he's the ultimate religious nut just like ms davis.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:05 AM
Sep 2015

they believe religion trumps all social mores. given most americans are way beyond this issue, the pope's opinion probably mean's less

than the media will make of it.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
22. The Vatican didn't confirm it. That link is just to an individual Catholic's website
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:21 AM
Sep 2015

and magazine.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
33. Given his tight schedule last Thursday, it doesn't seem likely he had a private audience
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:33 AM
Sep 2015

with her. He went from speaking before congress at 10am to the lunch with the homeless people, then caught a 4pm flight out of town. The question I have is why would he bother with her and why wasn't there one bit of press about it during the anti-LGBT summit last week? She was in town for that but her lawyer didn't talk about it then? Why wait until the Pope has left the USA?

If something doesn't make sense, it's usually not true. I could be wrong! But... this isn't adding up very well.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
15. Moynihan is of limited credibility himself...
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:07 AM
Sep 2015

he has a history of citing anonymous Vatican sources that seem to exist solely within his imagination and confirm his objective or perspective.

His original source was Davis (or more likely her lawyers) and his "Vatican sources have confirmed to me that this meeting did occur; the occurrence of this meeting is not in doubt" carries less than full credibility until someone in the know goes on the record in their own name to say he's not making crap up again.

His Moynihan Letters for Inside The Vatican are little more than blind-item-filled Catholic/Vatican gossip columns.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
20. That is NOT a Vatican publication. The website and magazine
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:19 AM
Sep 2015

are the product of a self-identified Catholic journalist, Robert Moynihan.

http://insidethevatican.com/mission-vision

I think if anything happened, it was that someone got Kim Davis inserted into a group that had a brief meeting with the Pope.

But it obviously was considered of very little importance because the Vatican is saying nothing about it.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
23. That is very disappointing, if true
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:22 AM
Sep 2015

Her conscientious objection is based on hate. Is that what the Catholic church is about? Between this and their meddling in Catalonia, it's taking the shine off the Pope's visit.

I hope that publication is wrong because I can't support homophobia, even if it's cloaked as political speech.

Response to applegrove (Original post)

oasis

(49,150 posts)
16. I wanted my lasting memory of the Pope to be his receiving
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:12 AM
Sep 2015

the little hispanic girl up on the Popemobile. It was heartwarming.

I wonder who arranged his meeting with the homophobe.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
26. Note that it's not part of their newscast.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:32 AM
Sep 2015

They know full well the lawyer and website are truth challenged.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
29. Of course they do.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:37 AM
Sep 2015

Viral bullshit. You wont see it this time tomorrow and possible no retraction....just a quiet take down.
The Pope and his team are not stupid.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
31. All they "have" is the original story from the lawyer, that they're just repeating.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:41 AM
Sep 2015

They didn't confirm it with the Vatican.

And the "Inside the Vatican" link is just some reporter with a website.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
32. And didn't wait to verify it with the Vatican before publishing.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:45 AM
Sep 2015

So their two sources are Kim Davis' lawyer and some guy who has a website and says Kim Davis told him the meeting happened. The NYT reporter barely rewrote the Inside the Vatican post. Top-notch reporting, that is!

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
28. And if it was a person who refused to issue marriage certificates to non-virgins
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:34 AM
Sep 2015

because it was against their beliefs, would we see the same support from these people? I doubt it.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
30. It's being reported by the Guardian and NBC News, too but
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:37 AM
Sep 2015

it's all" Kim Davis says" or 'her legal team says'. I don't trust either of them. And the Vatican's not talking.


NBC News could not immediately verify Liberty Counsel's statements with the Vatican. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/pope-francis-visits-america/kim-davis-attorney-claims-she-had-secret-meeting-pope-d-n435916

Retrograde

(10,068 posts)
34. Modern technology makes it easy to propogate unsubstantiated stories
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 04:01 AM
Sep 2015

"Checking? What's that? It's on the web so it must be true!"

BTW, the actual Vatican news site is vatican.va.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
36. Thanks for the info! I guess it's just too much trouble to fact check anymore.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 09:28 AM
Sep 2015

Davis, a Pentecostal, claims the Pope gave her 2 rosaries. Does the Pope just hand out rosaries?

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