Hi Ho Hi Ho It is off to jail you go..

[avebury]

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Kim Davis is in custody until she signs marriage licenses. Crowd outside erupts in applause

BREAKING: Judge sends Rowan Clerk #KimDavis to jail until she agrees to comply with his order to issue marriage licenses.
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http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/03/4018194_live-updates-developments-in-rowan.html?rh=1

[avebury]

1. Per judge:

Judge said fine for Kim Davis would not work b/c others apparently raising money to pay fines for her. ^JC

[jberryhill]

12. Correct

Even though the ACLU had only requested she be fined, the general guideline for contempt remedies is that they be tailored to obtaining compliance. Now, jail doesn't always work, but it is clear that fines would not.

[yuiyoshida]

77. and there she is..

[Betty Karlson]

52. Now THAT is justice well served.

And unfetteredly administrated too.

[hollysmom]

2. or she could resign.

[jmowreader]

87. She's stated she will not resign

[LeftinOH]

3. I don't think she should be detained. Fired, yes.

[avebury]

7. As an elected official she cannot be fired. nt

[demmiblue]

8. She can't be fired. She is an elected official. n/t

[snooper2]

9. She should be detained and left with a Quran in her cell LOL

The icing on the cake would to see her crying as she is led away-

PICS PLEASE!

[dixiegrrrrl]

79. pics here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027138129

[Raster]

10. She cannot be fired. She is ELECTED. Impeached, yes. Fired, no.

[jeff47]

14. Can't be fired. It's an elected position.

So she would have to be impeached, and there are not enough votes in the KY Senate to convict her.

[King_Klonopin]

89. So she knows that she can act like a jackass without the threat of being swept aside.

I am beginning to see the cunning plan in her twisted little mind:

1) Defy the "liberal" law and the "activist judge" that accommodates those evil "gays".
2) Set myself up to be the championing "David vs Goliath" in the eyes of the religious right (who love this shit.)
3) Take it over the top by going to jail and claiming religious persecution by "the tyrannical government"
4) Attract endless media attention from the insatiable 24-hour news beast, and whore myself to gain recognition.
5) Parlay it all into a Republican nomination for a Rep or Senate seat -- State, or even Federal ! Genius !!

Ted Cruz would be proud.

add: OR, she will use the "trauma" to file a claim for SSDI. Either way, very cunning.

[Ilsa]

90. She'll need a serious makeover before

GOPers will vote for her beyond county clerk.

[NightWatcher]

16. Violate a judge's order and you'll go to jail

Judges like to be obeyed and will spank you if you go against their orders

[hifiguy]

36. I clerked for two state district judges.

The surest way to piss off a judge, ANY judge, is to disrespect them to their face. Refusing to follow a lawful order issued from the bench is the quickest way to get so far into a judge's doghouse that they will need to send spelunkers in to find you.

[rpannier]

86. My father is a retired federal jidge

Refusing quietly angers them less than
Turning your refusal into a public circus

[Matariki]

63. Yeah well. It's a pretty bad precedent.

If there are no consequences for following Supreme Court (or any court's) decisions

[lunatica]

44. She's breaking a Federal Law

It may not seem like much to some people, but she's denying people a fundamental right and she works for the County of her State. What do you think should happen?

[Fairgo]

56. There has been no doubt

This was the only reasoned conclusion in a democracy under rule of law. She took on the mantel of office, this is the sanction.

[samsingh]

59. i don't think she should abuse her position and commit unlawful acts

that's what prison is for.

[Hayduke Bomgarte]

4. Outstanding!

[demmiblue]

5. Awesome!

Justice, finally.

[B Calm]

6. Any pics of her in an orange jump suit yet?

[jberryhill]

15. I'll bet wearing orange is a violation of some other belief of hers

[B Calm]

34. LOL

[gregcrawford]

38. Especially if it's a cotton/poly blend!

[hamsterjill]

57. I'll bet you are correct!

She probably can't wear a jumpsuit because she doesn't believe in women wearing pants. Everything that I've seen her dressed in during any video is very Duggar-esque, including the black jumper she had on yesterday with the royal blue tunic underneath.

This is a common "trick" (i.e., to wear something under) so that collarbone does not show and tempt the men around her to do horrible things and have horrible thoughts!!! Oh, my!

So, it will be interesting to say the least.

[jberryhill]

64. The choir from her church turned out today

[dixiegrrrrl]

80. Numbers 30:1-2

Moses spoke to the heads of the tribes of the people of Israel, saying, “This is what the Lord has commanded.
If a man vows a vow to the Lord, or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word.
He shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth.

( credit to DU member TBF who posted the citation on another thread)


What fundy sect is she from, anyhow?

[jberryhill]

81. It's some Pentecostal outfit.

They tend to be all over the map, since they are "guided by the spirit" to do whatever insane shit they are getting up to at any particular time.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

83. From the looks of them they haven't been on a date in their lives.

[rocktivity]

62. No problem

rocktivity

[KamaAina]

45. After all, orange is the new black!

[underpants]

51. Oooooh!

That hurt

[lpbk2713]

11. I'd LOVE to see a pic of her in an orange jump suit.

But I'm willing to bet she will get any number of special priveleges. Among them the right to wear her own clothing, perhaps the right to use her own cell phone, on and on.

[beac]

74. Still in street clothes in her mug shot:

[randys1]

13. Excellent, now sue this Democrat into oblivion

[demmiblue]

20. We are supposed to stand lock-step with anyone who has a D after their name.

Dontcha know?



What a great day!

[B Calm]

27. You think she voted for Obama?

Me neither. .

[jberryhill]

35. Yes, there are still blue dog Democrats in the south

And they remain as unrepresentative of the party as the Log Cabin Republicans are of theirs.

[randys1]

39. You are an attorney, can the couple seeking the license sue her individually, civilly?

What amount of damages do you think they could claim?

[jberryhill]

40. What is it that you think this case is about?

I mean, why do you think she's in court in the first place?

This IS the lawsuit against her brought by the couple.

You happen to be commenting on developments in the case of:

APRIL MILLER, KAREN ANN ROBERTS,
SHANTEL BURKE, STEPHEN NAPIER,
JODY FERNANDEZ, KEVIN
HOLLOWAY, L. AARON SKAGGS, and
BARRY W. SPARTMAN,
AND
ALL OTHERS SIMILARLY SITUATED,
Plaintiffs,
v.
KIM DAVIS, both individually and in her
official capacity as Rowan County Clerk, and
ROWAN COUNTY, KENTUCKY,
Defendants.

http://www.aclu-ky.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Rowan-complaint.pdf


I keep seeing comments on DU to the effect of "the couples should sue her". It's kind of mind boggling that people excited over this case don't seem to know what the case is about.

Here is the roadmap I posted back when this case was filed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026926765

The clerk is going to lose on the motion for injunctive relief (ordering the clerk to issue the license) and is then going to have to decide how many days they want to spend locked up on contempt before (a) they issue the license, (b) they resign their post or (c) someone else in that county office is empowered to issue the license and they do so. Both (b) and (c) render holding the clerk on contempt to be moot, since the point of contempt is to gain compliance with the order, and not some "penalty" for non-compliance.

These proceedings so far have been over the preliminary injunctive order issued in the case. The rest of the case will roll on in due course.

Incidentally, this is one of several against her, but is the one which has gotten the furthest thus far (as the court is likely to consolidate them anyway).

[randys1]

42. Sorry, I just meant can they sue for pain and suffering, loss of something, outside of the

specific issue at hand.

Isnt that two separate lawsuits?

Never mind, i will read your link

[jberryhill]

43. The complaint lists what they are asking for

On the damages end, things like pain and suffering etc. are pretty much not in the cards here for a number of reasons (one of which is that the plaintiffs could have mitigated whatever consequences of "not being married" by going to the next county over, which is issuing same sex licenses). The substantive legal point here is that they should not have to go to the next county over. But that merely establishes liability for the 1983 violation by this particular official. Damages and remedies are their own little world after getting over the liability hump.

The court does have a range of punitive and exemplary options, when the thing eventually plays out. The main thing, however, is the attorneys fees which, unlike ordinary civil litigation, is on the table in a 1983 action.

[Stonepounder]

58. OK, a question on the above.

Part of the order today was that at least one of the deputy clerks would have to issue licences to everyone who qualified and they had exactly one half hour to decide if they wanted to issue the licences or follow their boss to jail. Not surprisingly, they all opted to issue licences. Do you tink this fulfills part (c) above and since her deputies are now issuing licences, her refusal is now moot?

Seems to me there is still a danger that she could be released, go back to the office, pick up the reigns, and tell them all to quit issuing licences again.

Remember, between her and her maw, they have been the Clerk of Rowan County for a total of 64 years now and I'll just bet she is the one that everyone in county government is scared of. I will bet you she is the one that actually runs the county government behind the curtain. She just forgot that she didn't have the Fedeeral judge in her pocket as well.

[jberryhill]

61. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1197404

[Hepburn]

17. OH....

....YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!

Let her rot there!!!!

[Takket]

18. this will play into her desire for martydom...

so its a negative from that standpoint, but that negative is outweighed by the positive that freedom and equality has won again in the eyes of the law. I think every homosexual couple in Kentucky should have a mass wedding outside her jail cell.

EDIT: I don't care if people see her as a martyr, I just don't want her to ever get RICH because of this. hopefully that doesn't happen!

[HughBeaumont]

19. Worried that this might make hers a cause celebre.

Withholding her pay each day she breaks the law would be better.

But still a good development. "You can't have this because of MY religion" should not be allowed precedent in civil matters.

[avebury]

21. They absolutely should withhold her benefits as she is now

absent without approved leave.

[jeff47]

22. Won't work when millions of fanatics would send her cash.

That pizza joint raised $800k in a week by saying "we won't cater gay weddings".

She'd get a fortune in cash to cover any fines as well as her lost income.

[lpbk2713]

23. There's a point to consider here.

I don't want to see her profit from this but if she gets enough in donations (and I'm sure they are coming in now) maybe she will retire and then she won't be a problem any more.

[jeff47]

24. Why would she retire? It cuts off the cash faucet. (nt)

[avebury]

30. Let the civil suits begin with all

awards to include future earnings.

[hifiguy]

37. I am sure there is a well-crafted paragraph in the complaint

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or will be in the amended complaing, requesting a nice, fat award of punitive damages. And all the liability will be on HER, not on the state or county.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

54. The liability should all be on her because she is acting outside

the course and scope of her employment. I can't imagine she would or could be indemnified by the county.

[hifiguy]

60. Someone posted yesterday that the state and county already cut her loose

because she defied the direct order of a federal judge. She's on an island.

That's misconduct in anybody's book.

And judges tend very much to frown on defiance of the authority of the judicial office.

[HughBeaumont]

25. It's why I asked "Is there any way she loses here?"

You jail her - she's a martyr for "religious freedum".

You fine her or withhold her pay . . .. even though gofundme and the like doesn't allow fundraising for discriminators, the cash is still going to get to her somehow.

There were a few on that thread that said the Christian right is backing away from her. Seem to forget Christianity is 2.4 billion members strong. There could easily be 10-100 thousand fundies found in that amount who would give her the cash to keep this lost cause on life support.

Not to mention she's getting more press coverage than Bernie Sanders is.

[jeff47]

28. Would require a creative fine

The judge would have to figure out a way to fine her, as well as take any "donated" money. Which would be really hard to do - the fundies would just "donate" to husband #4.

[EEO]

84. An extremely punitive fine of say $50 million might do it.

Not sure if the judge has that kind of discretion...

[underpants]

53. Eh... I thinks she will have less shelf life than Joe the Plumber

But she could keep making the news aka Zimmerman

[LostOne4Ever]

88. Seems to me (from my point of view) that the public are rejecting her en-mass

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]I think just about everyone save the nuttiest of the nutters on the right can see that SHE was the party in the wrong and that SHE was the oppressor hurting people who did nothing to her.

She might not be the martyr they are hoping for; but rather, the martyr they deserve....a shitty one that makes them all look bad.[/font]

[shenmue]

26. Thank you, Ceiling Cat!

[Arugula Latte]

31. Ceiling Cat is a just and loving deity.

But if you piss her off she will hiss at you, swat your ass, and see to it that you are thrown in jail.

[shenmue]

33. And then u no has chzburger

[H2O Man]

29. That's justice served.

It's a good thing.

[RKP5637]

32. Excellent!!! n/t

[Rex]

41. Have fun rotting in jail with the Lord!

I bet he doesn't even show up to be bunk buddies!

[busterbrown]

46. Believe me she’ll be figuring out..

How to post a go fund me site...While visiting the Big House..

[Rex]

73. You know she will!

I bet she cannot wait to see all the payola coming in from Foxnews etc.. after she gets out and does the RWing talk show rounds.

[Blue Owl]

47. Whammer blammer thank you slammer

n/t

[MoonRiver]

48. Hilarious!

Enjoy your, hopefully, very long stay in the pen A-HOLE!

[DinahMoeHum]

49. She basically set herself on fire. . .

. . .but she's claiming somebody else lit the match?

[packman]

50. Everyone is missing the point

She got what she wanted in the church of her mind - she's a martyr for Christ.

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

55. She can have whatever she wants in the church of her mind

and she can sit in her jail cell and worship all day in the church of her mind. But now, with her out of the way, the deputy clerks can issue marriage licenses in accordance with the law - and that's the real point.

[packman]

69. Amen

but it would still have been satisfying to me, at least, if she just had the slightest glimmer of her spiritual arrogance and the harm it was causing.

[Marr]

70. Until she backs down, which she will. Then she's a coward. /nt

[iandhr]

65. Though this development makes me happy

I worry about turning this wacko into a martyr.

[Fritz Walter]

66. This just in... Deputy clerks willing to issue licenses

https://twitter.com/BGPolitics/status/639520385046827008/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have her own son put his civil service job ahead of her principles.


Big Kim {Davis} will now fade into obscurity, apart from the occasional appearance on Fux Noose promoting her soon-to-be-ghost-written book.
Let's just hope that TLC doesn't get any bright ideas about another reality show based on eastern Kentucky trailer trash.

[mnhtnbb]

67. Actually, her son is the one deputy NOT willing to issue licenses: the other five are willing.

[Fritz Walter]

68. I stand corrected

So that raises the question: if he's unwilling to do his job, what happens to him?

[mnhtnbb]

71. I think there's a tweet indicating judge not ready to send him to jail.

Yup.

Bluegrass Politics ?@BGPolitics 55m55 minutes ago

Five deputy clerks willing to follow the law seems adequate, Judge Bunning said. He won't hold Kim Davis' son, Nathan, in contempt. ^JC

[Herman4747]

72. If you truly want to recall the 7 Dwarves...

...better is "Hi, Ho, Hi, Ho

[tomm2thumbs]

75. 'whistling...'

♩ ♪ ♫ ♬♩ ♪ ♫ ♬♩ ♪ ♫ ♬♩ ♪ ♫ ♬♩ ♪ ♫ ♬♩ ♪ ♫ ♬

[ejbr]

76. Buh bye n/t

[BeanMusical]

78. Kickin' and Reccin'

[niyad]

82. the major problem I see with her being in jail is that, once again, she is sucking at the public

teat. we paid her while she was not doing her job, and now we have to pay to keep her in jail for not doing her job. she screws us either way.

[Liberty Belle]

85. What if public employees defied the law over all of these religious beliefs:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027138701