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Mon May 21, 2012, 07:37 PM

 

Somehow people are forgetting what cops think of Occupiers.

Last edited Sat May 26, 2012, 03:04 PM - Edit history (2)

A DUer, bakpak I believe, posted a link to a public police forum where they were openly mocking the screaming women Anthony Bologna had just maced. I took screenshots and sure enough, the site realized civilians were watching, and deleted the thread.













This is from a cops public Facebook page, before he took it down:



But wait! There's more!

"Video taping the ass clowns goes a long way to deter."

http://www.policeone.com/Crowd-Control/articles/5588426-Observe-Occupy-Watch-the-tactical-evolution-of-their-revolution/

This is Peter King, who was or still is the Congressional overseer for the DHS. He can be found on youtube calling Occupiers "losers".



People on DU sometimes nitpick and shift context to avoid discussing the elephant in the room, which is in this case, that the government itself is at war with those who wish to use the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Nice 7+ month silence from all sections of government and the white house about 7,000+ arrested Occupiers...and silence is consent.

Fox "news" on Zuccotti being cleared:

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Reply Somehow people are forgetting what cops think of Occupiers. (Original post)
Fire Walk With Me May 2012 OP
randome May 2012 #1
mike_c May 2012 #4
randome May 2012 #9
RedRocco May 2012 #11
SwampG8r May 2012 #57
raouldukelives May 2012 #60
rug May 2012 #32
bakpakr May 2012 #5
randome May 2012 #10
sabrina 1 May 2012 #29
DeSwiss May 2012 #22
sabrina 1 May 2012 #28
treestar May 2012 #38
DJ13 May 2012 #2
mike_c May 2012 #3
fascisthunter May 2012 #7
AnotherMother4Peace May 2012 #14
mike_c May 2012 #15
AnotherMother4Peace May 2012 #18
frylock May 2012 #24
virgogal May 2012 #23
sabrina 1 May 2012 #53
1monster May 2012 #27
Odin2005 May 2012 #42
AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #59
just1voice May 2012 #66
DLevine May 2012 #6
Arugula Latte May 2012 #8
EFerrari May 2012 #12
mcdedrick May 2012 #13
Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #17
mcdedrick May 2012 #67
Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #69
mcdedrick May 2012 #71
hootinholler May 2012 #76
Earth_First May 2012 #21
mcdedrick May 2012 #72
JDPriestly May 2012 #26
mcdedrick May 2012 #73
JDPriestly May 2012 #77
sabrina 1 May 2012 #30
coalition_unwilling May 2012 #52
mcdedrick May 2012 #74
SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #16
Son of Gob May 2012 #19
Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #25
Son of Gob May 2012 #35
Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #36
Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #48
Son of Gob May 2012 #51
sabrina 1 May 2012 #31
Son of Gob May 2012 #37
sabrina 1 May 2012 #40
Son of Gob May 2012 #41
sabrina 1 May 2012 #46
DeSwiss May 2012 #20
sabrina 1 May 2012 #33
backscatter712 May 2012 #34
treestar May 2012 #39
quakerboy May 2012 #45
treestar May 2012 #58
quakerboy May 2012 #63
treestar May 2012 #65
quakerboy May 2012 #68
treestar May 2012 #70
quakerboy May 2012 #79
Zalatix May 2012 #54
quakerboy May 2012 #43
Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #50
randome May 2012 #56
Odin2005 May 2012 #44
Dawson Leery May 2012 #47
Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #49
Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #55
bvar22 May 2012 #61
randome May 2012 #62
bvar22 May 2012 #64
krispos42 May 2012 #75
Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #78

Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:41 PM

1. Right. The 800,000 cops in this country are all the same.

Most protests are handled by local authorities. Do you really want the federal government to move in?

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Response to randome (Reply #1)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:45 PM

4. pretty much, I think they are....

Look, I rarely see cops stopping other cops from police violence. I just don't. It's always cops beating innocent people acting within their rights-- NEVER cops beating cops off of said innocent people. I'll have a lot more solidarity with them when I see them FIGHTING for the 99%, since violence seems to be what they do best-- instead of the 1%.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #4)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:59 PM

9. You 'rarely see'? Are you watching them all?

You mean you rarely hear about it. I guess police departments don't routinely 'brag' about their bad eggs.

Some behave abominably, no question about it. They also risk their lives thousands of times each and every day.

I don't see any evidence that they are working for the 1%. I don't think the rich give a shit what happens in cities like Chicago. They are all sitting on their beach front homes sipping margaritas.

Cops just go where their local civic authorities tell them to go. If they are to blame for following orders, then everyone who was in Iraq is to blame for what happened there, as well.

Could they be better trained in how to deal with mass protests? Hell, yeah! But sometimes it's the protesters who truly get out of control. Sometimes it the cops.

I think a little perspective is in order.

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Response to randome (Reply #9)

Mon May 21, 2012, 08:10 PM

11. its less dangerous driving a cab

or clerking in a c-store or or cutting timber or any of a dozen or so other jobs in the US. so the "risking their lives 1000's of times a day" just doesn't fly

from http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/pf/jobs/1108/gallery.dangerous_jobs/index.html

Traffic-related accidents were up 37% in 2010 and represented 56% of all fatalities. Only two occurred in high-speed pursuits, he said, with the rest occurring on routine patrol.

BTW I have had 5 of the jobs on that list

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Response to randome (Reply #9)

Tue May 22, 2012, 08:47 AM

57. what a load

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Response to randome (Reply #9)

Tue May 22, 2012, 10:58 AM

60. It's true. Chicago is one of those odd cities

where you never about hear about rich people trying to pay off public officials or shape policy.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #4)

Mon May 21, 2012, 10:26 PM

32. +99

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Response to randome (Reply #1)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:52 PM

5. To a point YES

While I don't feel all police officers are bad I do think those that aren't bad need to step up to the plate.

Every police officer that witnesses, or has knowledge of ANY wrong doing by another office and does nothing is just as guilty as the bad officer.

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Response to bakpakr (Reply #5)

Mon May 21, 2012, 08:00 PM

10. I wish it worked that way.

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Response to bakpakr (Reply #5)

Mon May 21, 2012, 10:11 PM

29. Any good cop who steps up will be treated the way the Officer in NYC, Schoolhouse, was treated. He

was kidnapped from his home and deposited in a mental health hospital for days before finally gaining his freedom. But he had tapes, and although he still has not received any justice, that whole department has been exposed. However, HIS treatment was enough to silence any other good cops.

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Response to randome (Reply #1)

Mon May 21, 2012, 09:28 PM

22. No 800,000 cops have decide if they want to be on the right side.....

...of to remain the chowder-head authoritarians that most of them are. You know, then ones who are so afraid of the 99% that they find themselves beating up defenseless people. Those bastards. The ones who are on the wrong side of this Revolution.

- There are 7 billion on the 99%er's side. They can't win this thing. They will either join us or be overwhelmed......

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Response to randome (Reply #1)

Mon May 21, 2012, 10:08 PM

28. FYI, the National Guard were on standby in Chicago according to reports. I hope they were there to

defend the people from these racist thugs. Did you read their comments about the African American protester? Do you think this is just a 'few bad apples' still? 'Beast'??? Do you think our civilian police departments should be referring to African Americans as 'Beasts' who need to in 'Cages'??? Disgusting, rotten to the core, Fox News, Limbaugh morons, THAT's who you keep defending. ANd NO, this is NOT, as I already told, isolated.

I KNOW cops in NYC, and I can assure you that racism is alive and well in that Department and is the NORM. As recent exposure of their scandalous racist policies has revealed.

You keep defending them if you wish, I will never, ever defend having a racist police department and the fact that they would say these things on a board that is accessible to the public, shows how ingrained the racism is. They don't even realize how outrageous it is to speak this way, it is so normal for them.

Disgusting, despicable, and shameful. I am appalled that you have nothing to say about what we all have known for a long time, especially minorities in these cities but continue to try to distract from the 'elephant in the room' for some reason.

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Response to randome (Reply #1)

Mon May 21, 2012, 11:12 PM

38. +1

An immature bigoted attitude is displayed here. It is as if they are romanticizing the 60s and want to see it happen again.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:41 PM

2. K&R

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:42 PM

3. regardless, cops thug for the 1% and they are NOT our friends....

eom

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Response to mike_c (Reply #3)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:54 PM

7. not until they reign in their own whack jobs

until then, you are right.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #3)

Mon May 21, 2012, 08:27 PM

14. I have plenty of cops that are my friends & are honorable people - what's this "our" crap

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #14)

Mon May 21, 2012, 08:29 PM

15. just like those wonderful folks in the OP, huh?

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Response to mike_c (Reply #15)

Mon May 21, 2012, 08:45 PM

18. Logical Fallacy - "Mike is begging the question, therefore all Mikes do the same"

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #18)

Mon May 21, 2012, 09:46 PM

24. if mike turns a blind eye to the injustices that the other mikes are meting out..

then yeh, mike is as big an asshole and every bit as culpable as mike. silence is consent

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Response to mike_c (Reply #15)

Mon May 21, 2012, 09:43 PM

23. How can we tell whether all the posters are cops?

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Response to virgogal (Reply #23)

Tue May 22, 2012, 04:11 AM

53. It is their FB page. And they have since removed it, according to the OP.

Too stupid not to realize their comments could be read by the public. Explains why they are Fox/Limbaugh groupies.

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #14)

Mon May 21, 2012, 10:00 PM

27. My father was a cop. And I agree with Mike. Cops are not our friends.

And yes, I have had friends and neighbors who were cops. But I still would say they are not our friends.

There is a mind set of US against THEM and they (the cops) are the US and we are the THEM. As the saying goes, whether the rock hits the pitcher or the pitcher hits the rock, either way is not good for the pitcher.

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #14)

Tue May 22, 2012, 12:21 AM

42. I'm sure plenty of Nazis were "nice people", too.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #42)

Tue May 22, 2012, 09:59 AM

59. True. Nice enough to provide summer camps for children and treat their Gr Shepards very well.

 

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #14)

Tue May 22, 2012, 04:51 PM

66. "Honorable people" until they're ordered not to be

 

and ordered to arrest members of the press, corral 100s of innocents, pepper spray and beat law abiding protesters, test new crowd control weapons, etc...

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:53 PM

6. K&R. n/t

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:55 PM

8. Disgusting.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 08:13 PM

12. There are posters here that would roust their own parents

and hand them over to the police in the middle of the night.

And they will feel that way until something happens to them.

Walk around them.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 08:25 PM

13. More to it...

As the mother of the screaming girl in the video, I think the more important question is not just how little the police think of the occupiers, but how little the state and the federal government think of them, and of protecting the rights of their own citizens against improper police tactics. We are STILL waiting for the DA or the Feds, for that matter, to press charges against DI Bologna. Both have been asked to do so, and despite overwhelming evidence, have refused to take the proper action. People should be outraged.

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Response to mcdedrick (Reply #13)

Mon May 21, 2012, 08:38 PM

17. You're her mother? My heart-felt wishes to you both :(

 

Please take your case to the NLG or ACLU and send Bloomberg's private army back to the stone age! I cannot believe some high-powered lawyer would not do whatever it takes to represent your case! Best wishes, please Message me with updates, so many are on your side! Sorry for re-opening any wounds!

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #17)

Tue May 22, 2012, 06:05 PM

67. update

I appreciate your thread...awareness and rememberance
here is a good thing. Kaylee is in excellent hands. The day the video came out we got a wonderful attorney, Ron Kuby, who is as keenly interested as us in seeing some real justice done. Thank you all for your kind comments. I am new to this kind of website (with threads and forums, etc.) so I appreciate your patience if I make any mistakes

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Response to mcdedrick (Reply #67)

Tue May 22, 2012, 06:16 PM

69. Big hugs to both of you!

 

You may wish to point him to this thread as the police chatter goes to detailing mindset and motive, that some actually laugh when others are harmed, and some look forward to doing harm (the NYPD's Facebook post being most telling and applicable).

Cop culture must be stopped. All my best to you in accomplishing this!

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #69)

Tue May 22, 2012, 07:54 PM

71. you read my mind!

I actually sent him the link to this forum last night! Thanks for gathering the info to begin with!

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Response to mcdedrick (Reply #67)

Tue May 22, 2012, 09:24 PM

76. Welcome to DU!

Please don't hesitate to reach out if there's anything we can help with.

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Response to mcdedrick (Reply #13)

Mon May 21, 2012, 09:25 PM

21. First off, thank you for supporting your daughter...

It seems as though she has had an outstanding moral compass passed on to her by her family and friends.

Secondly, as was previously stated; encourage your daughter to litigate this. Be strong!

Lastly, welcome to DU!

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #21)

Tue May 22, 2012, 07:56 PM

72. Thanks!

On all accounts, thanks. We are proud of her, and you can be sure that once all our judicial options run out, that we will look at all other possibilities including civil ones.

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Response to mcdedrick (Reply #13)

Mon May 21, 2012, 09:58 PM

26. I wish I could recommend your post.

In your position, I would feel outraged.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #26)

Tue May 22, 2012, 07:58 PM

73. Thx!

Thanks. We still do feel outraged at the lack of any kind of criminal repercussions for those involved. As I said, I am quite new to all this forum stuff. I certainly don't mind if you recommend this post. Do I need to do something to allow that?

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Response to mcdedrick (Reply #73)

Wed May 23, 2012, 03:47 AM

77. You should wait until you have enough posts to be qualified to start a thread and then start one.

You can recommend the first post in a thread, but not subsequent posts unless I am mistaken.

I don't know how many posts you have to have posted before you can start a thread. It's even possible that the rules have changed and you can start a thread soon after you begin to participate in DU.

So happy to have you on this website.

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Response to mcdedrick (Reply #13)

Mon May 21, 2012, 10:18 PM

30. Are you the mother of the girl? I thought Bologna at least got a slap on the wrist due to the

public outcry. We ARE outraged. I am so sorry for the comments these police officers made regarding your daughter in the OP. They are disgraceful! Ray Kelly should be fired, but then who will fire him?

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Response to mcdedrick (Reply #13)

Tue May 22, 2012, 03:58 AM

52. I hope your daughter sues the City of New York and Bloomburg into

 

oblivion.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #52)

Tue May 22, 2012, 07:59 PM

74. Stay tuned....

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 09:02 PM

19. Lol

The racist shitbags who comment on a Sun Times article represent the people of Chicago. Good one.

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #19)

Mon May 21, 2012, 09:56 PM

25. That, and the paper that didn't take down those horrific KKKomments.

 

I'll change the qualifier but I am beyond stunned at the number of posts in a row from outright fuckwads, in a row, no supportive or questioning comments in between, just vile, outright racism over and over. The good people in Chicago need to start posting to that newspaper and question false arrests, FFS. Our man was innocent and a cop LIED, then hatebags fry our man online? Insult on top of injury. Thank you for nit-picking and not commenting on the subject matter.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #25)

Mon May 21, 2012, 10:28 PM

35. That Sun Times part added nothing to your subject matter

It was just a chance for you to take a swipe at the people of Chicago. First off, vile racist comments are a dime a dozen on almost any newspaper comment section. Secondly, you have no idea if those specific scumbags even live in Chicago. The people your ire should be aimed at is the assholes at the Sun Times who allow these comments.

Thanks for editing part of it, but I'd prefer if you just deleted that part entirely as it adds nothing. Those people aren't cops, they're just some fucking racist losers who have nothing better to do with their time.

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #35)

Mon May 21, 2012, 10:30 PM

36. I =do= have an in-built need to point out problems

 

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #35)

Tue May 22, 2012, 01:54 AM

48. You're right so I edited it out. It's just so damn awful...

 

...and I hate it when people are right, and rain on my irate parade!

Just people going after an innocent man, ONLY because of his color and because they were foolish enough to believe a cop...

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #48)

Tue May 22, 2012, 03:41 AM

51. Thanks Fire Walk With Me

I really appreciate that. Keep up the good work.

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #19)

Mon May 21, 2012, 10:24 PM

31. What do you think of the outright, disgusting Racism displayed in those comments? And the anti

woman, Rush Limbaugh propaganda displayed on the board? If it doesn't represent the people of Chicago, where are they?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #31)

Mon May 21, 2012, 10:54 PM

37. I think it's a disgrace

I think most of these comment sections should be shut down. Finding a comment section without racist comments is like a needle in a haystack. As far as the Suntimes, we're talking about literally a handful of the same people who litter almost every article. Do you think a handful of people represent a city metro area of almost 10 million people?

BTW, that comment section is open to anyone who wants to post. You want to battle wits with those dipshits, knock yourself out. I'll understand if you have better things to do, like most people.

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #37)

Mon May 21, 2012, 11:23 PM

40. I'm talking about the cops, who erased their racist remarks when they were discovered.

Not the first time this has happened btw. What do you think about cops doing this? Their FB page, again you would think they would be smarter than that, is now gone. Why do you think they made it disappear? Cowards, calling courageous protesters cowards, 'beasts' and 'big boobs' etc, scattered like cockroaches again, when they realized they had once again been exposed for what they are.

And where were the comments from the good cops we keep hearing about? Where are the comments slamming them for their vile, racist garbage?

I hope this goes to the authorities and they need to be fired. We do not need scum like this on our police force.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #40)

Mon May 21, 2012, 11:42 PM

41. I agree with you on the cops part

I was commenting on the Sun Times comment section being included as it had nothing to do with the cop message boards. I've got no problem with anyone exposing these racist cops, if they can be identified I hope they lose their jobs. I just didn't like the smearing of all Chicagoians because of a handful of inbred yokels on a newspaper comment section.

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #41)

Tue May 22, 2012, 12:40 AM

46. Well, we agree. I have family in Chicago, I know those comments do not represent them.

But yes, those cops need to go. This is not the first time their racism has been exposed like this. Aside from the stupidity of posting it on a forum that is accessible to the public, they are simply too stupid to be cops, not to mention cowardly, in case I didn't say it before.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 09:21 PM

20. K&R n/t

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 10:26 PM

33. Good for you for capturing those vile comments before the idiots took them down.

Can they be sent to the NYT who might be able to interview their departments? They talk about whining?? Cowards, watch them whine when they think they are about to lose their jobs.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 10:26 PM

34. Most cops are freepers.

They listen to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage in their patrol cars.

They think Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Communist Fascist Manchurian out to destroy America.

Many of them are rabid fundamentalists.

They're extremely authoritarian in their psychology. They fear and hate anyone who is different from them, and they're not the least bit hesitant to use weapons against them. For that matter, they hate and fear anyone who doesn't wear a badge. To them, we're not human.

Most cops are bullies that revel in cruelty.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #34)

Mon May 21, 2012, 11:13 PM

39. Then pick different cops

Cops are also trained in handling disturbances. Not every protestor is as innocent as the driven snow. What other occupations do you despise? Is everyone supposed to work - well, where?

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Response to treestar (Reply #39)

Tue May 22, 2012, 12:23 AM

45. I personally am wary

of anyone I know can shoot me and (likely) walk away free as a bird regardless of why they chose to do so.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #45)

Tue May 22, 2012, 09:42 AM

58. Cops do not always "walk away free as a bird" for things like this

There are internal investigations. And you've got then to be wary of everyone in any state with concealed carry permits.

What is society to do - disarm the cops, perhaps. Would you trust cops in a place like the UK, where formerly they were not armed?

Or is this just broad based anger at society in general? What other professions are we to be wary of?

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Response to treestar (Reply #58)

Tue May 22, 2012, 02:42 PM

63. In the vast majority of cases, they do.

Internal investigations appear, by their results, to be more aimed at justification and exoneration than at actual investigation. It is extremely rare that you hear of anything more than a slap on the wrist for abuse of the public, up to and including murder of unarmed civilians.

Case in point, here in Portland, there is a cop who shot and killed an unarmed civilian. They fired him. Now he, with the full support of the union, is demanding his job be returned to him. And by all accounts he is very likely to be rehired.

What is society to do? We need to bring the police back to policing. They need to be a peace force, not a paramilitary group. And they need to be a part of the community, not an outside militia. We have the national guard and the military to take care of those functions.

How do we do this? The way we train police needs to change. The rules for police need to change. Accountability needs to be put in place.

Their training needs to focus more on the people. It needs to involve people. It should probably be done involving far more community settings. They should meet and spend significant amounts of time with youth who will grow up into the young adults they will prospectively be protecting and serving. They should be spending more time with the communities they are likely to police than with other trainees, so that that the connections, the loyalty is with the policed, not the police. Personally, I believe that a fair bit of community service within the communities that are likely to provide the most issues for them would be in order, both during training and during their time of service. If both sides can be seen as human by the other, I am willing to bet that there would be a lot less anger by or against cops, and a greater likelihood to resolve rather than escalate into violence.

Then there is accountability. A policeman should never ever ever be threatened by a camera. In fact, I would advocate that with all the equipment that they carry, it should be no big deal to have a camera/recording device that would be present and running at all times while a policeman is on duty. They are given a great deal of power over the general populace, and are generally accorded a great deal of respect and deference to their reported versions of events. However, there is no denying that there are "bad apples" within the police force. And the sad fact is that they are in a fraternity where a "good cop" tattling on a bad apple can result in death, not to mention social exclusion. That attitude needs to be destroyed, and I think constant recording would do that. Once there is always a true record available, the incentive to lie or be silent about the wrongdoings of another would seem to be much lower.

And then we need to change the rules. They are in a high stress, high danger job, and I do think some reasonable allowances need to be made for that. But I think we have gone too far in this, with even clearly egregious behavior far more likely to receive a slap on the wrist than a true punishment. If anything, I think that while they should be afforded some additional latitude in their actions, the punishments for a police officer who steps over the line should be vastly increased.

Your side comments about other professions seem to me to be a nonsequitur. Name a profession who is accorded the same powers and privileges, and we can discuss whether they are held to a high enough standard.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #63)

Tue May 22, 2012, 03:58 PM

65. Not a complete nonsequitur, since the powers afforded are necessary

like those afforded any other profession.

Great progress has been made. Police have been trained to deal with domestic violence rather than just dismiss it. They may still dismiss it in some places, but that has vastly improved. More cops are nonwhite or women. There have been more cameras - don't a lot of cop vehicles now have cameras?

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Response to treestar (Reply #65)

Tue May 22, 2012, 06:12 PM

68. small progress has been made, with even greater degredation

Many of the powers they are given may be necessary. Though I am not sure that they all are. There are certain rights that have been granted to police in regards to search, seizure, detention, etc that I disagree with.

That said, I feel that the improvements that you mention are dwarfed in effect by the negative effects of the increasing militarization and insularity of the police community. I think you will find that the evidence of many video cameras backs up that belief with room to spare. Police persons, with very few exceptions, care more about covering each others backs than about protecting you or I. Police abuse of the populace will never stop so long as protecting other police members is a higher priority than protecting the individuals that make up the populace. If this were not true, when a policeman clubs an unarmed civilian, misuses equipment in ways likely to injure people such as scott olson, or unloads pepper spray on a penned group of protestors with no provocation, we would see other officers step in to stop these actions, or at least to detain these offenders. But we do not. I have as yet to ever even hear of an officer being pulled back, much less actually arrested while committing violence on civilians while on the job.

Cameras in the cars are a start. But how many of these protests have police cars pointed at them, recording? Can a dash cam see inside a house or building when the police enter it? I think it needs to go the next step and have the recording device on the policemen themselves. And we need to explicitly make it a protected, non prosecutable action to film a police officer. How many cases could be easily resolved by such action, and how many more would be prevented if the police? I think about the black veteran in the news recently who was shot dead after accidentally hitting his life alert bracelet. If those police were outfitted with cameras and audio recording, we would know what happened, what was said by whom, how those on both side acted. Would the police have shot him if they knew that their actions were subject to review?

And that information needs to be transformed into real accountability. We give police great power and extra rights. And I am OK with that, as long as it is accompanied by a higher standard of accountability. Not a lower one.

Other professions are not accorded the right to shoot me with a high likelihood of getting no worse than a reprimand. Unless you are aware of others that are, they are not relevant to this discussion.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #68)

Tue May 22, 2012, 07:51 PM

70. Other professions are also far less likely to lead to you getting killed

in the course of your job. Cops deal with criminals - the real and vicious ones are out there. Too easy to dismiss all that.

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Response to treestar (Reply #70)

Wed May 23, 2012, 02:01 PM

79. No

I believe you are wrong on both of your assertions.

My understanding is that taxi drivers are more likely to be killed in the course of their job, followed by private security guards, and law enforcement in third, with retail sales people, especially in small businesses very close behind.

But we do not authorize taxi drivers or sales clerks to kill with impunity.

And your implication that I dismissed the risks that police officers take is very far off the mark. Enough to make me believe that you either did not read what I wrote, or you are deliberately trying to derail the discussion.

With great privilege comes great responsibility. And the fact is that our police force are not even coming close to living up to their responsibilities.

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Response to treestar (Reply #39)

Tue May 22, 2012, 06:21 AM

54. Wow, you can always be found defending the cops.

 

One has to wonder if you even know what 'police brutality' is?

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2012, 12:21 AM

43. Thats only a few cops, that is not a good sample to find their feelings

However, every one of those cops, if they really are cops, is protected from any consequences that would be due them by their attitudes or actions, by by hundreds of other cops who do not necessarily feel that way, but will still lie, or at least stand silent and inactive, while they and those who share those attitudes abuse the public.

The bad apples have spoiled the whole bunch. They are all rotten.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #43)

Tue May 22, 2012, 01:57 AM

50. When I see something like that, I hold responsible all other cops who can see it

 

who then say and do nothing.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #50)

Tue May 22, 2012, 08:11 AM

56. So what happens when a protester does something wrong?

You hold the entire movement to the same standard. Right???

I don't hold everyone to blame for the actions of a few. That is counter-productive and unfair. That applies to protesters and police alike. And any other group you'd like to name.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2012, 12:21 AM

44. Cops = legalized extortion racket

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2012, 01:04 AM

47. The Editor In Chief of the website "Officer.com" is Frank Borelli.

He is a birther.

What you see in those posts is quite common among the law "enforcement" community.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #47)

Tue May 22, 2012, 01:56 AM

49. Dang, thanks for that..

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2012, 08:08 AM

55. K&R May Day started here.

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2012, 02:35 PM

61. Never Forget!

These people are here To Protect & Serve the 1% ONLY!!

What baffles me is that every single one of them is one of us,
and the 1% would as soon shit on THEM as shit on us.

Go Figure.


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Response to bvar22 (Reply #61)

Tue May 22, 2012, 02:41 PM

62. If you're baffled, then maybe you're not seeing the problem correctly.

Always be willing to see things from a different perspective. That's what I strive for.

Some cops behave abominably. Some are heroes. Those are the facts as I see them.

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Response to randome (Reply #62)

Tue May 22, 2012, 02:56 PM

64. Your willingness "to see things from a different perspective"...

..is on display throughout this thread.
Thanks for the laugh.

Solidarity99!
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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2012, 08:05 PM

75. Get the CutePDF writer for your computer

It's free and simple. It installs as a printer in your computer. For stuff like this, you can hit "print", but instead of printing out sheets of paper, it creates a PDF.

Great for this kind of archiving. These comments can run dozens of pages... hard to get all the screenshots. But with the PDF writer, you just hit "print" and it will create a multi-page PDF document.

Just pick "CutePDF" instead of your normal printer.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #75)

Wed May 23, 2012, 04:22 AM

78. Very interesting, thank you!

 

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