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MADem

(135,425 posts)
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:27 AM Aug 2015

The Wine Train Thing Happened to Another Group of Passengers, This Time Latino

Another woman has accused the Napa Valley Wine Train of racial bias for threatening to remove her party from the train after a noise complaint made against them in April, even as the company has apologized for a similar incident on Saturday and said it didn’t reflect its values.

The latest report comes after the removal of a group of mostly black women from the train following a similar complaint against them, the difference in this second case being that the group was only threatened with removal and not actually ultimately removed.

Norma Ruiz, a graduate student in the University of California–San Francisco’s nursing program, was celebrating her 28th birthday in April when a patron approached her party of 10 people to say that they were being annoying and loud.

“We were kind of taken by surprise because we were just celebrating my birthday having normal conversation,” Ruiz told me.....Yale sociology professor Elijah Anderson has described how “white spaces” are “overwhelmingly white neighborhoods, schools, workplaces, restaurants, and other public spaces” where people of color can feel a burden to prove their belonging.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/25/napa_valley_wine_train_discrimination_another_passenger_thinks_she_was_discriminated.html?wpisrc=obnetwork


smh!
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The Wine Train Thing Happened to Another Group of Passengers, This Time Latino (Original Post) MADem Aug 2015 OP
k&r Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #1
white space. seabeyond Aug 2015 #2
"Clubhouse" mentality....or "This is OUR bar" .... writ large. nt MADem Aug 2015 #3
I recognize this. LWolf Aug 2015 #4
"white space" is kinda like the white noise between their ears. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #16
Napa has this problem Prism Aug 2015 #5
Sure is starting to look that way, isn't it? nt MADem Aug 2015 #6
Uh, yeah. I live there. NV Whino Aug 2015 #7
The Tea Party Express National Tour Launched from Napa, CA Brother Buzz Aug 2015 #9
Must have made a big splash NV Whino Aug 2015 #18
You didn't miss much Brother Buzz Aug 2015 #22
Ha! Sorry I missed that. NV Whino Aug 2015 #23
Why do people ride that KKK train? lonestarnot Aug 2015 #8
Never been on one of these tours myself and probably never will be since cstanleytech Aug 2015 #10
You are correct NV Whino Aug 2015 #19
A little tip for people. iandhr Aug 2015 #11
I thought the Wine Train kicked off about 12-14 groups a year for being too loud FLPanhandle Aug 2015 #12
^^^THIS^^^ Android3.14 Aug 2015 #15
It's more pretentiousness than racism. Xithras Aug 2015 #17
Yes, I've been to Napa a few times and noticed some of that. FLPanhandle Aug 2015 #20
White, uptight, and outta sight. jalan48 Aug 2015 #13
Was this group too loud? Android3.14 Aug 2015 #14
Well, that is the question, isn't it? NV Whino Aug 2015 #21
Experienced something similar in Westchester county in NY GOLGO 13 Aug 2015 #24
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. white space.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:38 AM
Aug 2015
Yale sociology professor Elijah Anderson has described how “white spaces” are “overwhelmingly white neighborhoods, schools, workplaces, restaurants, and other public spaces” where people of color can feel a burden to prove their belonging.

“Certainly a wine train in Napa Valley would be considered a ‘white space,’ ” says University of California–Berkeley associate professor Nikki Jones, who has discussed the topic on This American Life.

“One of the things you hear again and again from women of color, including in spaces like this, in retail settings, is that there’s a hyper-visibility,” Jones told me. “They stand out in particular places. And they’re policed.” The policing can come from actual police (cops greeted the book club when they were removed from the train), from authorities within a space (like train employees), or from fellow patrons of that space (like complaining train passengers).


i think this is so important and would love for people to take the time to understand this. i have been experiencing my own insight about this.... in so many ways, that has brought an awareness and better understanding.

it is not about blame, it is about recognizing.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
4. I recognize this.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:16 AM
Aug 2015

I'd have to, living where I do, which is ALL white space.

It's really the only thing I miss about So Cal; the people there.

I'd love to see less white space and more real space.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
5. Napa has this problem
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:20 AM
Aug 2015

I've been there several times (gorgeous place), and socioeconomically, you're basically slamming into a lot of upper/middle middle class whites who never seem quite cool with groups of people of color coming in. Lots of looks, knowing glances, pursed lips.

Love the area and the wine. The people, ehhhhhhh. They like their pristine little bubble.

Of course, I'm generalizing. I'm sure there are plenty of wonderful people who live there. But there's definitely an impression I've been left with.

Brother Buzz

(36,384 posts)
9. The Tea Party Express National Tour Launched from Napa, CA
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:53 AM
Aug 2015

I'm just saying.

I'd post photos but all of them seem to link back to Free Republic, why is that?

Brother Buzz

(36,384 posts)
22. You didn't miss much
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:16 PM
Aug 2015

The Tea Party Express tour "symbolically" started in Harry Reid's hometown, Searchlight, Nevada, but quietly started in Napa, California, hoping to collect idiots along the way. It did.

Here's a local story you may have missed:

Tea Party Express rally falls short of early billings



600 people who attended the Tea Party Express Reclaiming America bus tour at the Napa Valley Expo, are seen during the singing of the National Anthem on Saturday morning.


August 27, 2011


On Saturday, roughly 600 people gathered on the sprawling carnival grounds of the Napa Valley Expo for the so-called “super rally” that would kick off the Tea Party Express’ “Reclaiming America” bus tour.

The turnout was a far cry from the 4,000 to 5,000 people that representatives from Tea Party Express’ Sacramento office said they were expecting only days before the Napa rally.

Tea party supporters, who skewed older, were a mostly subdued group, seated picnic-like on lawn chairs and blankets for two hours of music and speeches.

Adding to the event’s dampened atmosphere was that no GOP presidential candidates appeared, despite reports that at least one would be attending. Also, the event was met with vocal protests from several hundred representatives of the Democratic and Green parties and progressive groups.

<more>

http://napavalleyregister.com/news/local/tea-party-express-rally-falls-short-of-early-billings/article_f26775ca-d0e9-11e0-9559-001cc4c002e0.html


Palin joint the circus later on:





cstanleytech

(26,242 posts)
10. Never been on one of these tours myself and probably never will be since
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:14 PM
Aug 2015

I dont drink liquor in any form but I wonder if its really discrimination or if its simply a matter of the people running the tours trying to get some of their guests not to be disruptive to the other guests by talking to loud, probably need a larger sample rate to say for sure.

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
19. You are correct
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:36 PM
Aug 2015

I have no love for the wine train, but the venue is high-end (rolling) restaurant. Loud and raucous behavior would not be tolerated in any other high-end restaurant. Why should it be tolerated on the train?

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
11. A little tip for people.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:29 PM
Aug 2015

Just a guess

Going up to people and saying "excuse me (Mr/Ms.) you are talking a being a little loud would you mind talking a little more quietly. If you say that to some one calmly and respectfully that probably would produce a good result.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
12. I thought the Wine Train kicked off about 12-14 groups a year for being too loud
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:29 PM
Aug 2015

So most were probably white groups.

Every group probably thought they weren't too loud either.

As a former bartender, I take the noise level claims of drunk/drinking groups with a large grain of salt.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
17. It's more pretentiousness than racism.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:46 PM
Aug 2015

Napa is full of very wealthy, precious little buckets of pretentiousness who look down their nose at the slobbering masses that visit "their" valley. From their perspective, it's "unseemly" to be loud. Or to get tipsy while you're drinking. Or to wear denim. Hell, some of them get upset if you SWALLOW your wine ("Swish and spit my dear, we're tasting, not drinking. This isn't a bar!&quot

And when they judge you, they don't do it quietly and respectfully. They make snide comments, take long disapproving glances, and will do whatever they can to make you feel unwanted. I'm as lily white as they come, and I've been a target of it.

Napa is beautiful and the wine is awesome, but the people there REALLY suck. If you want to taste wine without dealing with the pretentious, judgmental bullshit, head over to Sonoma, or to Lodi, or down to Paso. Hell, even Livermore has great wines.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
20. Yes, I've been to Napa a few times and noticed some of that.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:36 PM
Aug 2015

I too enjoy Sonoma more.

I drink my wine!

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
21. Well, that is the question, isn't it?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:42 PM
Aug 2015

The wine train consists confined spaces. it doesn't take much to be too loud in a small space.

Most often, from my external observation, the cars are more empty than full. Get one of those things mostly full and the noise escalates quickly.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
24. Experienced something similar in Westchester county in NY
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:20 PM
Aug 2015

A couple talking in a Barnes & Noble in a normal tone were "Sssshushed" by some weirdo and got reminded that we're not in a library. It's a very, very expensive area of Yonkers where outsiders are readily marked & the local PD have a legendary history of aggressiveness towards visitors from the Bronx.

Nothing came of it, but it reminded me of where I was.

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