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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHackers Dump Ashley Madison's Customer Data (32 Million), Which Spans The Past 7 Years!
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"A data dump, 9.7 gigabytes in size, was posted on Tuesday to the dark web using an Onion address accessible only through the Tor browser. The files appear to include account details and log-ins for some 32 million users of the social networking site, touted as the premier site for married individuals seeking partners for affairs. Seven years worth of credit card and other payment transaction details are also part of the dump, going back to 2007. The data, which amounts to millions of payment transactions, includes names, street address, email address and amount paid. AshleyMadison.com claimed to have nearly 40 million users at the time of the breach about a month ago, all apparently in the market for clandestine hookups."
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The rush is on to see if there are any politicos on the list, with 15,000 .gov and .mil email addresses.
http://www.wired.com/2015/08/happened-hackers-posted-stolen-ashley-madison-data/?mbid=synd_slate
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"Despite promising customers to delete their user data from the site for a $19 fee, the company actually retained the data on ALMs servers, the hackers claimed."
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Here's a Schoolhouse Rock clip "Interjection":
Here's Ashley Madison's rip of it "Infidelity":
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delrem
(9,688 posts)Why would anybody with any sense of dignity go along with them?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)list here http://pastebin.com/U4QQEaBE
noticed these domains right away- if they are not fee payers, the exposed emails could be incorrect.
tsa.dhs.gov
superiorcourt.maricopa.gov
tnmp.uscourts.gov
thruway.ny.gov
tiffinohio.gov
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)These are private people. This is an invasion of privacy.
Really, really gross.
In fact, you may be participating in a crime, as well as a tort in many states.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)BUT, many can be fake email address (one is the presidents name)
Many can be fake email names because if there is no fee payment or address information attached anyone can submit a fake email address on the thousands of webpages that ask for an email.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)They can lose their job. Though like I said, many of those ".gov" full emails addresses could befake submissions.
Someone I know was threatened by email from a .gov address. It was very easy for them to contact the .gov authorities and have the matter resolved.
randome
(34,845 posts)Are you bored today or angling for Mike Huckabee's VP pick?
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Sunlei
(22,651 posts)be 'surfing the web' while at work.
randome
(34,845 posts)It's bad enough we have a moral Guardians Of The Galaxy, now we have Sunlei to make sure we are all 'pure' in the workplace, as well.
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Sunlei
(22,651 posts)riversedge
(70,183 posts)this private information. just plain wrong --and that goes for anyone who participates in the distribution.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Although it has been in the news that the 'dating' website 'females' are fake and 90-95% of exposed registered fee payers are male.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Do they not understand that, aside from being illegal to use government computers for such activity, using government computers means that the user understands that the info in not private.
Sheesh, this is basic stuff here, and yet so much pushback.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)People don't seem to know about pastebin either.
If someone is going to cheat on their family, they should not use their Gov. work servers
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Seeing people humiliated and shamed on "reality" TV isn't enough anymore. Now everyone wants to participate instead of just watching.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)If it was a list of assholes looking at kiddie porn would you have a different opinion?
randome
(34,845 posts)Collateral damage, I guess. Anything is worth it so long as we can break up relationships we don't approve of.
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snooper2
(30,151 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)The hell with people's privacy. What matters is that we have hackers watching over us to ensure we only have approved relationships.
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Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)I wouldn't feel bad if their husband/wife found out they were cheating on them.
randome
(34,845 posts)Relationships are complicated. An anarchic dump of data like this hurts a lot of people. No doubt there will be some children hurt by it, also, as spouses take to the courts to enact their revenge.
Probably there are some spouses who do 'deserve' this but these hackers don't care about that, they just want to fling shit about the room and see who gets hit by it.
Anarchy is not something to celebrate, IMO.
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Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)And as I said, I'm not sure if I fully support this or not. I'm certainly not going to get on and search for my city in hopes of finding people i might know. I just don't care. Even my wives name, I have no reason to suspect she would be on the site, so I don't have any need to search her name.
And if the marriage is loveless and sexless, get out of it, or at least be open about it.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Not the least of which is for the sake of children. Or a partner is ill and cannot participate in sex anymore.
It is not up to you, me, the hackers or anyone to out them.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Some may get lots of creepy SPAM.
Orrex
(63,199 posts)Assuming that divorce is the result, and that it results specifically from this revelation of infidelity, the fault for any such divorce would rest on the cheater, and not the party who revealed it.
Unless we're going for the "it's fine as long as you don't get caught" vibe, of course.
randome
(34,845 posts)And it's certainly not the responsibility of anonymous hackers.
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Orrex
(63,199 posts)They could just have easily been caught in the act by an acquaintance of the cheated-on partner. You'll need to convince me that exposing the act is a greater harm than the harm inflicted upon the injured partner.
You appear to see the revelation of the act as a greater wrong than the act itself. We may have to agree to disagree.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)that specifically advertises "life is short, have an affair", for getting caught?
Seriously?
randome
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cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)WTF does that even mean?
randome
(34,845 posts)Who died and made them the moral Guardians of the Galaxy?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)Even after couples divorce, they are still parents.
I think if I found out that my spouse was cheating on me, I'd be mad at her.....not the person(s) that told me about it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Remember, the Chinese have ooglefucks of data they stole from the US government.
They can now match up the data they have, with the Ashley Madison data, and compromise any number of government employees.
randome
(34,845 posts)No one should have any secrets! Wait a minute, what about the NSA? Huh. Gonna have to give that some thought.
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"How many children are going to lose their parents because of this?"
The children will lose parents because they were caught, or because the parents chose to engage in an illicit affair?
randome
(34,845 posts)It isn't the responsibility of anonymous hackers to decide what relationships are valid or not. You know these hackers would fight like hell to keep their own secrets.
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saturnsring
(1,832 posts)Don't spouses have a right to know it the other spouse , who may or maynot be using protection, is having an affair?
randome
(34,845 posts)Some spouses cheat because they feel they have no other option. That includes women as well as men. Not every marriage is the same. Not every infidelity is the same, either. Geeze, if infidelity didn't exist, half of all movies wouldn't exist.
Relationships are complicated. 'Solving' relationships this way is no one's responsibility.
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LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)What the cheated on party chooses to do is their decision.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)No exceptions because they know what's best for everyone.
And this wasn't THE anonymous collective, although it doesn't matter since they're all cowards hiding behind anonymity.
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saturnsring
(1,832 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)I mean, it's not like anyone has the right to live their own lives. Let's let the clergy take over. They're even better than anonymous hackers at rooting out sinful behavior!
I don't put much credence on the Bible but I do believe in this: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
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saturnsring
(1,832 posts)If they don't wanna know they don't have to check but if a spouse comes home with a big letter on them then it can't be ignored. No one is forcing anyone to check
Mother Of Four
(1,716 posts)For many it's not about individual exposing, sticking a big red A on their heads, becoming the "fidelity police" etc. They put the information out there accessible via a anon browser. They aren't breaking peoples arms to make them go read it. If you want to see it, look it up. If not, don't. It's YOUR choice.
What it IS about is information. Without information we are without choice.
Are you seriously suggesting that only one half of a relationship is allowed to make a choice of what the other person is exposed to? I thought a persons right to choose what they do with their body, or to choose what was done TO their body was a bone deep in the support of progressive thought?
Let me break it down ok?
Person A marries Person B
They become couple C
Person A has an affair with Person D
They become couple C(2)
Person A catches an STD from Person D and moves the STD (with health effects, some worse than others) from C(2)'s bed into Couple C's home, making Person B sick. Just one of the scenarios is Chlamydia. http://www.cdc.gov/std/chlamydia/ Chlamydia is the most prevalent STD out there and often shows minor or no symptoms. It can cause PID and left untreated can prevent a woman from being able to have children.
Snip "If you are a woman, untreated chlamydia can spread to your uterus and fallopian tubes (tubes that carry fertilized eggs from the ovaries to the uterus), causing pelvic inflammatory disease (PID). PID often has no symptoms, however some women may have abdominal and pelvic pain. Even if it doesnt cause symptoms initially, PID can cause permanent damage to your reproductive system and lead to long-term pelvic pain, inability to get pregnant, and potentially deadly ectopic pregnancy (pregnancy outside the uterus)."
So what you are advocating is taking away the choice of a person who doesn't know they are at risk, taking away their body autonomy. Perhaps the woman in the relationship is pregnant, they get that STD and it can get passed on to the unborn child. Perhaps the woman hasn't had children yet and ends up with scarring STEALING the choice of whether to have children from her.
Maybe the relationship ends and it's the woman who was unfaithful. The man doesn't know he's carrying the STD due to the mild symptoms and gives it to his new girlfriend. She then is at risk, an innocent person that wasn't even involved, because of someone else's decision to not tell the truth.
And these are just examples of a hetero relationship, when we all know there are many other ways you can love/be with another human being.
I'm sure you could address this with yearly checkups right? Now enters the labyrinth of the health care system, not to mention the attempted defunding of Planned Parenthood. (shakes her head) I could go on and on and on.
I'm horrified beyond belief that anyone would assume that a living, breathing, FEELING human being doesn't have the right to choose what happens to their body. Cheating is defined by the fact that there is no AGREEMENT to have multiple partners. If both know, and both AGREE, then it's not cheating. If it's not cheating then the likelihood the relationship will be affected/broken by the dissemination of information is very low. Hence the majority of people that will have their relationships damaged or broken did it to themselves.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Thousands of media must use it, one can see easy the hit numbers on the pastebin 'trends' page.
http://pastebin.com/trends
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The email address alone is not a problem.
Hopefully for Cruz and our President , those emails aren't attached to fee payments & cyberchats on the website. Or they will be swamped by media questions.
sub.theory
(652 posts)These aren't innocents. They're cheaters. They betrayed trust and now they have had their trust betrayed. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Their tears are delicious to me.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)You don't think anyone might have registered to see if their spouse was on or heard about it and was just curious with no intention of actually cheating? Every single one of the 32 million must have had an affair.
I guess every crusade must have innocent victims.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)(yeah, yeah, I know its a moldy cliche stereotype)
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)"Hacktivists" as much or even more.
Unless it involves your spouse then, quite frankly, it's none of yours, mine or anybody else's business if Philandering Phil or Wandering Wendy find their next partner for So You Think You Can Dance: Mattress Edition on Ashley Madison.
This is right up there with the schmucks over at Anonymous who not only post the offender's info but blast the school and cell phone numbers of his kids, his wife's workplace, pet groomer, etc. all over the net.
They claim to be about "justice" when the reality is they don't give one, much less two, shits about the collateral damage in the wake of their latest data turd.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)rank-and-file or paper pushers anyway...
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)A whole lot of them appear to be emails of civilian employees.
A service member these days get a .mil address that stays with them forever. For a long time for the Army is was something like [email protected], now it's [email protected] if the person is military, [email protected] for a civilian employee and [email protected] for a contractor who gets email.
When you see an address with something like @gordon.army.mil that is someone who had an email issued by that post, not a full DOD one. Likely an hourly employee working in a dining facility, lodging or doing maintenance work.
Still a violation of their user agreement, I am sure.
And some of those .gov and .mil will actually be on there for legitimate work purposes. You better believe that they do look at sites like that when conducting background investigations, and since adultery is still a crime in the military they will look at sites like that for investigations. That's probably only 1-2% of the emails on there however.
Also spouses used to me able to get a us.army.mil address, I don't know if that is still done.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Kurska
(5,739 posts)But this a huge breach of privacy. I know it is fun, point and laugh at people with moral failings, but these kinds of precedents are very dangerous.
sub.theory
(652 posts)This is only about privacy in a world where privacy means never having to face the consequences of one's actions. These dirtbags only have themselves to blame. I'll save my sympathy for those who have had their information stolen from the IRS or their health insurance company. If only we had half the outrage then. I'm pretty sure I know what the difference is though, and it's not privacy - it's secrecy.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)Where internet vigilantes decide to reveal the private lives of 32 million citizens.
Especially in a format with no accountability to whether that person actually did anything wrong. How many people do you reckon might have registered to literally check if their spouse was on there?
How do you tell the difference?
This is the problem, "hacktivists" go off guns blazing for the greater good and never for once considers how they may be harming the innocent.
randome
(34,845 posts)Who made these hackers our moral guardians?
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snooper2
(30,151 posts)What is the difference than if a friend of the spouse busted them?
Fuck around and you may get caught...just a new method here LOL- in bulk, much more efficient
randome
(34,845 posts)This is GOP-style ranting about harming people whose relationships you don't approve of.
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Blue_Adept
(6,397 posts)Like, how it worked or to see if anyone they knew (i.e. their spouse) might be on it?
Of course, there's also plenty of open marriages that are now potentially being exposed as well.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)"life is short, have an affair"?
I'd think that it should come as a given that getting caught, eventually, is part of the package.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)If they weren't cheating, there'd be nothing to hack. Nobody will get dumped because of a revealed email address, only because of what they, not hackers, were using the email for. Those in open marriages will have few issues. Those whose partners expected fidelity will have issues they caused for themselves. Revelation is not commission.
Blue_Adept
(6,397 posts)Right.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Are these people being raped for their infidelity? No, nothing is happening to them beyond revelation of their own voluntary actions.
The analog here would be somebody wearing a short skirt whining that people can see their legs.
Blue_Adept
(6,397 posts)Their own voluntary and private actions, one might add.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)All I find disingenuous and pathetic is whining that they will suffer not because of what they did but because somebody pointed it out. Bullshit. Nothing done, nothing to point out.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)comes with inherent risks. Anyone not understanding that would surely be considered an idiot for signing up.
Blue_Adept
(6,397 posts)The site they were signed up with was broken into, data stolen and then posted online by thieves.
Getting caught is your significant other finding out because you left the window open to it or bookmarked or other some such.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Personally I don't care about this either way, but your logic is flawed.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Lol.
You have a nice day.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Any ruined families are ruined because at least one member cheated or trolled for some new action.
I'm a PI and I've never ruined a family, but in have exposed lots of people who were cheating and brought this on themselves.
Iggo
(47,547 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...I would imagine they are having a lot of fun in China somewhere, matching up the government employee data with the Ashley Madison data.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)In every home a heartbreak. Would it have been better to find out this way, or not? I don't know. Hard to feel sorry for this though.
Iggo
(47,547 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Someone having an affair and getting caught isn't bringing up any tears of sympathy here.
Renew Deal
(81,852 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I did background and suitability investigations a few years back and so many people with clearances used their work computers to go to porn sites. I once asked a guy WTH he was thinking and his reply was "it was faster than my home computer". He was fired because he liked to look at teenage girls online and exposed his sensitive computer to malicious sites.
People are stupid, horny creatures.
Vinca
(50,255 posts)or maybe see what the spouse might be up to.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Private info or not maybe you should not cheat on your spouse
Keep your genitalia in check,
If feel that your marriage doesn't have that spark it once did tell your spouse ;don't go sneaking around.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)When I go to DU, they know my IP address. With a search warrant, they can find out where I live, down to my exact street address.
I can also find out the IP address of DU. Its 216.158.28.198. I can tell you their server I'm hitting now is in Pennsylvania.
On the dark web, you can be 100% anonymous, on both the server side and user side, so anything can be posted (yes there can be flaws in security, but if done right its untraceable. Therefore a lot of sites there deal with drugs, other illegal things, etc. (and some may be for free speech in places where is is otherwise banned, like in China. Although it would probably be a lot easier to host a site like that in the US, where US law would protect it. China would block it, but that is easy to get around.
Any website for the dark web ends in the prefix .onion. But don't worry, since your browser wouldn't know how to handle the request, so without the correct browser, you can not access the dark web anyway.
If you were interested, you could get to the dark web in 10 minutes, but its kind of a scary place, and not for amateurs.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I was wondering why they'd use it. Your response about untraceability explained it for me.