We know that harming animals is a sign of psychopathology - why do we tolerate it in trophy hunters?

[villager]

If it's pretty much a given that torturing, abusing, and willfully hurting animals are signs pointing to a future serial killer, why do we give trophy hunters a pass for doing the same thing?

Is it that if you can afford to pay $50,000 to kill a rare or endangered animal, you're an exemplar of your community, compared to the emotionally deformed kids who can "only" afford to pour kerosene over stray cats?

[Myrina]

1. ... and why does it seem like they're medical folks?

Some kind of sadistic outlet or an extension of the supposed "God Complex" that Dr's etc can get?

[villager]

3. I vote for "God Complex..."

Thinking they are "above it all," etc....

[glinda]

20. If you follow their statements they run the same as Republicans comments

when they break the Laws. "I didn't know I was doing anything wrong".

[TimeToEvolve]

29. Q: what is the difference between a surgeon and God?

A: God doesn't think He is a surgeon.

[Cleita]

26. Maybe because of the dissection stuff they had to do in classes.

I was asked to dissect a live frog in a lab class. I wouldn't do it and failed the class.

[TimeToEvolve]

28. thank god that i am not the first person to notice this, thank you so much!

time for a rant..

Fuck doctors !! the whole lot of them! now i know why i NEVER feel comfortable when i am in the presence of those morally-bankrupt, spiritually- dead, reputation seeking and gravitating weasels.. Because their psychopaths!

it has been long known that MD's, etc think of their patients as a bunch of moronic simpletons and view them simply as a means to an end ($$$$$$$)

... but the worst part by far is their MASSIVE FUCKING EGO!

God's wrath awaits them..

[Syzygy321]

33. It's totally cool to

vomit hatred at tens of thousands of strangers.

The nice thing about doctors is, after you get your childhood vaccines, you are never forced to see one. It's totally voluntary. So why all the hate?

[hughee99]

2. In general, is it our policy to jail people because they might commit a violent crime?

Is there enough evidence that trophy hunters become serial killers that it's okay to draw this conclusion?

[villager]

5. They are doing their "serial killing" in a societally acceptable way (so far) by massacring animals

If somebody did this outside the company of wealthy fellow "safari-goers," around a city, say, we would know instantly how damaged they were.

[hughee99]

8. So you're saying if the person were killing people in urban areas instead of animals on safari

we'd be able to tell how messed up the were?

[villager]

9. No, I'm saying if they went around killing *animals* in urban areas, we'd know

...how messed up they were.

How come being able to afford to do it in "exotic" locales gives them a pass?

[hughee99]

10. Isn't the idea of "trophy hunting" that you kill the sort of thing you don't see every day?

There's not a lot of "trophies" in domestic urban areas. There are plenty of non-rich people who go deer hunting in their local area and have a set of deer antlers on the wall. Are they "getting a pass" too?

[villager]

11. If they didn't eat any of the venison, and only did it for the thrill of killing, then they are

..definitely "off" a little. Or a lot.

[hughee99]

12. How can you tell if someone did it only for the thrill of killing, without talking

to the person individually? I know hunters that donate their meat to various charities, but don't usually keep any for themselves.

[villager]

13. That's fine. I am talking about hunts are specifically, and only "thrill kills"

No meat to be obtained, or donated. ]

No "thinning of the herd" excuse.

Thrill kills.

We generally know what that says about a person's spiritual and psychological state.

[hughee99]

14. And is there significant evidence that those people

Go on to become serial killers?

And by the way, just because someone eats or donates the meat afterwards doesn't mean it was any less the "thrill kill" as a lion.

[Skittles]

18. correct

their main motivation is they enjoy stalking and killing, regardless of how exotic the animal or what happens to the meat

[arikara]

25. Most psychopaths don't go on to become serial killers

they don't need to when they can find other ways to vent their urges. It is known that many become doctors, especially surgeons; and many become politicians. Think about it; being legally able to cut away at helpless people. Or having the power to make laws that hurt people, or even start a war.

Note: I'm NOT saying all doctors or politicians are psychopathic.

[glinda]

21. I agree with you. The Safari International Club FB page is

interesting. It is all pretty much about guns and killing and their "God given right to do so".
They also give tons of money to politicians.

[GeorgeGist]

16. Trophy hunters are cowards ...

otherwise their prey would be armed.

[hughee99]

17. Do we jail cowards?

I'm specifically responding to what I saw as a call to "do something" about these people before they become serial killers.

I disagree with what the poster said for several reasons, though I have no personal affinity for hunting or trophy hunters.

[villager]

23. No, you've seen "Minority Report" too recently, I think

I wasn't calling for "doing something" in a specific sense, but noting that abuse and cruelty to animals seems to be a societally- agreed upon "warning sign" of deeper disturbance.

How come if you're rich enough to go kill exotic, inedible animals, it still isn't a warning sign?

[hughee99]

24. Sorry, I think I misinterpreted your post.

I think I read "why do we tolerate it" in a different spirit than you wrote it.

I'm not sure who "gives them a pass". The people who don't like hunters usually seem to dislike these a-holes the most and the people who are willing to give hunters a pass sometimes gives these guys a pass too. I don't know anyone who doesn't give regular hunters a pass but is okay with trophy hunting.

I'm not sure that "hunting", even ridiculous sport hunting that I'm definitely not a fan of, is a warning sign, unless there's some sort of history of these "sport hunters" turning into serial killers.

[MissDeeds]

19. +1000

I cannot understand the love of killing. Who kills for sport? Evil, evil bastards, each and every one.

[TimeToEvolve]

30. it is intrinsically no different than jeffery dahlmer torturing/killing animals prior to his murders

...except, these rich yuppie assholes can afford to do it with some degree of polity; as long as the gruesomeness is absent, most dont look that closely or care.
yet the kind of psychopathy in dahlmer and trophy hunters is one and the same: total lack of empathy, in the case of the trophy hunter ii is merely hiding under a less offensive veil.

people like this should be marginalized and disavowed at the least.

[aikoaiko]

4. Torturing is always bad. Killing not necessarily bad.

[villager]

6. For the vanity of trophy hunting, yes it's bad

If you're talking about those who hunt to eat, specifically, that's different

[Raine1967]

7. I have been wondering this myself.

it's a fine question to ask.

[Texasgal]

15. Follow the money.

It's really the only link here. MONEY.

Think about pedo's that go abroad...again..MONEY.

It's sick!

[glinda]

22. I did. John Kline R- MN got $6000 from the Safari Club Intl'

and he is one of the people who introduced a Bill to nix the Endangered Species Act and bring back wolf killing on the Great Lakes. One os the last refuges they have to survive really.

[restorefreedom]

27. notice how many use bows

it is not just about the perverted trophy. they want to cause the maximum suffering.

sick bastards.

[TimeToEvolve]

31. they are morally bankrupt ..

and spiritually dead..

[pansypoo53219]

32. hmm. its royalistic, kings & queens did this kind of shit too.

off w/ his head as the king of id said.