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sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:50 PM Jun 2015

#TearOffTheWhiteHood – President Obama wants to force KKK to name its members after church massacre

Posted on June 28, 2015 by SouthernGirl2



President Obama is keen to introduce tough new laws which will force the KKK and other extreme right-wing groups to disclose the identities of their members, Daily Mail Online can disclose.

The President discussed the possibility of the new measures when he telephoned Charleston mayor Joe Riley following last week’s massacre.

Riley, who is into his 40th year as mayor of the city where nine people were murdered by a self-proclaimed white supremacist down in the AME church massacre, said he and the President talked about how best to set up a national council to act as a watchdog to monitor and report on race hate.



Among the ideas being looked at is legislation forcing extreme right wings groups and violent organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan to provide identities of supporters and members.

Read More http://3chicspolitico.com/2015/06/28/tearoffthewhitehood-president-obama-wants-to-force-kkk-to-name-its-members-after-church-massacre/

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#TearOffTheWhiteHood – President Obama wants to force KKK to name its members after church massacre (Original Post) sheshe2 Jun 2015 OP
Oh YES!!!!!!! wendylaroux Jun 2015 #1
I don't see a reliable link to this information this time around, any more than enough Jun 2015 #2
Obama is a constitutional scholar. Dr. Strange Jun 2015 #11
This seems like a really bad idea B2G Jun 2015 #3
Clarify why it would be a bad idea. Seems to me it would be a good idea shraby Jun 2015 #4
Should DU be required to provide the real names and addresses of its paying members? XemaSab Jun 2015 #9
I don't believe we encourage hate and mayhem here, so why should we shraby Jun 2015 #10
I could find a lot of hate of Republicans and encouragement of civil disobedience XemaSab Jun 2015 #13
You don't believe people encourage hate here? tymorial Jun 2015 #22
I think it's a good idea in theory, but could be unconstitutional. femmocrat Jun 2015 #6
As a biracial man and a constitutional lawyer, Obama would know NAACP v Alabama tymorial Jun 2015 #5
he would also know Bryant v Zimmerman JustinL Jun 2015 #21
Sounds illegal on its face... Spatened Jun 2015 #7
Great picture of the man proudly displaying his "Southern heritage"!!!! guillaumeb Jun 2015 #8
This is sheer nonsense. The president cannot "force" anything of the sort. scarletwoman Jun 2015 #12
"Riley, in an exclusive interview with Daily Mail online, said:" cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #16
All Three!!!!!! scarletwoman Jun 2015 #17
This does not sound like something President Obama would propose. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #14
I thought the original DailyMail article was trolling us. randome Jun 2015 #15
This would be amazing! ncjustice80 Jun 2015 #18
Until a right-winger is President. EL34x4 Jun 2015 #19
Well we will just have to make sure that doesn't happen. ncjustice80 Jun 2015 #20

enough

(13,237 posts)
2. I don't see a reliable link to this information this time around, any more than
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:59 PM
Jun 2015

when it came out a couple of days ago.

The Daily Mail story is ambiguous at best, and probably not the most reliable source in any case.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
4. Clarify why it would be a bad idea. Seems to me it would be a good idea
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jun 2015

to know where and who the hate is coming from. Same as the police like to know who the members of gangs in the cities are.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
9. Should DU be required to provide the real names and addresses of its paying members?
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jun 2015

Why or why not?

shraby

(21,946 posts)
10. I don't believe we encourage hate and mayhem here, so why should we
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:05 PM
Jun 2015

give our real names or show our faces?

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
22. You don't believe people encourage hate here?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:46 AM
Jun 2015

Hate is such an interesting emotion. Identifying it can be very tricky. You could have two people in a room and have both of them independently identify whether some exchange, rhetoric, language or action is hateful. One would state no, it isn't hateful. The other would say most certainly it is hateful. You want an example? A preacher is reading certain passages from the bible concerning homosexuality and homosexual acts. The two people: A gay man and a devout Christian.
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If we look at democratic underground, how often do we see rhetoric and language which is reactionary and grossly encompassing of entire groups? How often are republicans lumped together into a gigantic pile and then described with extremely harsh language? Have we not seen this over the last week with gross generalizations about the south? Republicans do the exact same thing. They band together and lump all liberals into a pile and then describe us as socialists, communists, deviants etc etc etc. We believe that our way isn't hate; its truth and "tolerant" (even though our tolerance has conditions). They believe their way isn't hate, its patriotic.
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Do not misunderstand me. I am most certainly a liberal. I have yet to find a social progressive cause that doesn't cause me to want to take a week off and picket. I do believe however that language is important and something to consider before communicating... lest we become hypocrites and dishonorable.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
6. I think it's a good idea in theory, but could be unconstitutional.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:26 PM
Jun 2015

First Amendment
Freedom of Assembly definition: The right to hold public meetings and form associations without interference by the government. Freedom of peaceful assembly is guaranteed by the First Amendment to the Constitution.
Freedom of assembly - Dictionary.com
dictionary.reference.com/browse/freedom+of+assemblyDictionary.com

Not sure that hate groups can claim they assemble peacefully, however.

Or could it violate Freedom of Speech? Maybe one of our DU constitutional scholars could weigh in? Thanks!

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
5. As a biracial man and a constitutional lawyer, Obama would know NAACP v Alabama
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jun 2015

Therefore this is a gigantic hoax destined for Snopes.

JustinL

(722 posts)
21. he would also know Bryant v Zimmerman
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 11:58 PM
Jun 2015

In 1928, the Supreme Court upheld a New York law requiring the KKK to file a membership list (New York ex rel Bryant v Zimmerman, 278 U.S. 63).

In NAACP v Alabama ex rel Patterson, 357 U.S. 449, Alabama tried to rely on the Bryant case to support its requirement that the NAACP file a membership list. Instead of overruling the Bryant case, the Supreme Court distinguished it, as follows (p. 465):

From what has already been said, we think it apparent that Bryant v. Zimmerman, 278 U. S. 63, cannot be relied on in support of the State's position, for that case involved markedly different considerations in terms of the interest of the State in obtaining disclosure. There, this Court upheld, as applied to a member of a local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan, a New York statute requiring any unincorporated association which demanded an oath as a condition to membership to file with state officials copies of its

". . . constitution, by laws, rules, regulations and oath of membership, together with a roster of its membership and a list of its officers for the current year."

N.Y.Laws 1923, c. 664, §§ 53, 56. In its opinion, the Court took care to emphasize the nature of the organization which New York sought to regulate. The decision was based on the particular character of the Klan's activities, involving acts of unlawful intimidation and violence, which the Court assumed was before the state legislature when it enacted the statute, and of which the Court itself took judicial notice.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. Great picture of the man proudly displaying his "Southern heritage"!!!!
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:35 PM
Jun 2015

In the vein of this idea, perhaps Klan members should be required to wear clear plastic hoods. If you are a Killer Klan Klown, why not let your neighbors know how proud you are by showing your face?

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
12. This is sheer nonsense. The president cannot "force" anything of the sort.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jun 2015

It's absolutely UnConstitutional.

All this does is feed into Right Wing paranoia, the same as if you were spreading a message about Obama confiscating everybody's guns.

As for "...set up a national council to act as a watchdog to monitor and report on race hate.", the SPLC already does a damn good job of exactly this and has done for decades. There's no need to re-invent this wheel.

The Daily Mail is a British tabloid, and they habitually pull their "news" out of their ass. And I don't believe your "3chics" know what the hell they're talking about.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
16. "Riley, in an exclusive interview with Daily Mail online, said:"
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:39 PM
Jun 2015
"I have spoken with the President and the Vice President about this. And I have talked to the White House too."

That made me laugh.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. I thought the original DailyMail article was trolling us.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:36 PM
Jun 2015

Apparently 3chicsPolitico fell for it or they're trolling, too.
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ncjustice80

(948 posts)
18. This would be amazing!
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 10:10 PM
Jun 2015

Strip anonymity from any Reich-wing group, and let the FBI track those a-holes. Shouldn't the KKK be on terrorist watch lists in any case???

ncjustice80

(948 posts)
20. Well we will just have to make sure that doesn't happen.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 11:56 PM
Jun 2015

However, with our recent victories and the laughably weak candidates the the rethugs are putting forth, I don't see that hapepning any time soon

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