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A church in Beaverton, Oregon is suing a woman after she posted a negative Google review calling them a cult. Julie Anne Smith revealed on her blog in March that Pastor Chuck ONeal and Beaverton Grace Bible Church had sued her for $500,000 over negative reviews on Google and DEX that claimed that she had been shunned for no reason.
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What we had was indoctrination
That is how cult leaders work, the suit alleges Smith wrote. Dont waste your precious lives and relationships being held emotionally/spiritually captive by this so-called church. Another message claimed that the beloved pastor knew about a sex offender in the church who had access to the nursery and children on a weekly basis and did not have any safeguards in place.
This is a very destructive and disturbing church.
The exra-Biblical legalistic teaching is wrong. The gossip/slander, disclosure of what goes on in private counseling sessions, sex offenders have free reign in childrens [sic] areas with no disclosure to parents.
This is not a safe place.
DEFAMATION IS A CRIME: Pastor Chuck O Neal, his wife, his children, and Beaverton Grace Bible Church as a whole, have suffered JulieAnnes hateful lying slander for well over three years, ONeal wrote. After seeking counsel from a pastor on staff with Grace Community Church (under Pastor John MacArthur) and reading him several excerpts from JulieAnnes endless defamation, he recommended that we FILE A LAWSUIT in an appeal to Caesar as the Apostle Paul did when falsely accused of crimes against God and the state.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/15/church-sues-woman-for-500000-after-negative-google-review/
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)For example, if Ms. Smith has evidence that sex offenders have free "reign" in childrens' areas, she really should report it to the authorities, rather than making a post on Google. I'm not familiar with the Grace Bible Church, but this kind of allegation can be the death of a congregation, particularly if it isn't true.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)Last edited Tue May 15, 2012, 10:40 PM - Edit history (1)
added to the comments could be disclaimers such as :
"although I have no photographs, recordings or proof"
"I feel"
"I think"
When you make a claim such as she did, you had better be able to back it up, or you open yourself up to all kinds of consequences.
There are web services now that scour the web and push "bad" comments to the bottom of the list so that when people google the site, they do not see them.
And of course, when they find libel, they certainly alert the website owner.
While you CAN say just about anything online, you also have to be careful that you do not open yourself up to expensive lawyers, just so you could "have your say"..
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)verified. Other than that I don't see any defamation. She is entitled to her opinions in the other areas.
Journeyman
(15,031 posts)In the spirit of love and forgiveness, you'd think a retraction and an apology from this "recalcitrant sinner" would be sufficient. That is, if "love and forgiveness" were the church's stock and trade. But I guess it's true: people (and churches) pursue what's important to them.
arbusto_baboso
(7,162 posts)Or is that something a cult would do?
Seems to me their actions prove her assertions.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)without facts to back it up...she's opened herself up to a world of hurt. this isn't even about whether it's a church or a cult...you just can't drop a bomb like that in a public forum without some evidence for your claim. if she's got evidence, she's good...otherwise, she's gonna get hammered. of course, i haven't seen the whole blog entry so there may be more to it than that. but what's here is not lookin' so good for her.
yes, a legit church would sue and would be well within its rights to seek monetary damages as assertions like that can and in many cases do kill churches. but i guess you would just turn the other cheek if someone accused you of harboring a sex-offender and giving them access to children...right?
sP
arbusto_baboso
(7,162 posts)the sex offender claim is easy to either verify or disprove.
Thing is, I've attended churches where pastors (actually "bishops", as the churches in question were mormon) knowingly let sex offenders near the children of other church members and didn't let the parents know.
It happens. A LOT more than you might think.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)all i am saying is she better be able to back it up...
sP
arbusto_baboso
(7,162 posts)Still, one would think if this "church" actually believs in the ethics it claims to, they could find a way to slap this woman down in the court of public opinion, rather than a court of law.
Any church that won't even attempt such action first, is not getting ANY respect from me.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)and they kicked her out of the church and told the members of their congregation to 'shun' her and her family and not have anything to do with them. it was handled within the church...and then she started blogging about it (if we are to believe the timeline from the article).
if she's got no evidence, the church should not have to stand for libel and defamation. and certainly the members of the church, if they were named in the blog...even generically...should not have to stand for it.
sP
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Just asking.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Cave_Johnson
(137 posts)... or for the negative review as a whole?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)You don't get to publish lies about people. It's actionable.