Bernie is blowing it on NPR right now ....

[kwassa]

refusing to talk about race in anything other than economic terms. Stubbornly refusing, I might add. They just has a long interview with him.

[SamKnause]

1. Do you have the title of the show he was on ???

Do they have a website so I can listen to it later ???

Thanks in advance.

[Cha]

2. thank you, kwassa

[CTBlueboy]

3. That's interesting

deray mckesson
?@deray
I just heard Bernie Sanders on the radio with powerful statements on race, police reform, and employment. I need to find this transcript.

https://twitter.com/deray/status/614028598538805248

[City Lights]

6. That is very interesting.

Thanks for sharing, CTBlueboy.

[ucrdem]

4. Bernie Sanders Walks A Fine Line On Gun Control

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417180805/bernie-sanders-walks-a-fine-line-on-gun-control

[AgingAmerican]

107. Yes, he supports hunters, but voted to ban assault weapons and voted for background checks

So I guess that could be considered a 'fine line'.

[deutsey]

5. The brief excerpts on NPR.org sound good to me

http://www.npr.org/about-npr/417232908/npr-news-interview-with-senator-bernie-sanders

The excerpts don't include what you're referring to, though, unfortunately for me. I'll look forward to reading the full transcript when it's posted at around 10 a.m. on NPR.org.

[betterdemsonly]

7. How has Hillary talked about it other than just getting rid of the confederate flag? n/t

[leftofcool]

9. I guess you missed her speech in Charleston?

And the one near Ferguson?

[peacebird]

11. Was that where she said "all lives matter"?

[KingCharlemagne]

26. In the unforgettable words of Tim Wise:

For those who say stupid and obvious shit like "all lives matter..." Tell ya what, when a racist bursts into a church and targets folks just because they are "All people" rather than black people, you are allowed to speak. Until then, STFU forever...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tim-Wise/140254320968

[Mr Dixon]

34. Tim wise

love this dude

[TheNutcracker]

54. Exactly, we are all equal. Do we need a separate campaign for African Americans? I don't think so.

Go Bernie!

He's for everyone!

[brooklynite]

84. Don't forget her speech on criminal justice reform...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/hillary-clinton-call-body-cameras-all-police-n350261

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

8. Maybe that's not 'blowing it' to all PoC voters.

Last I heard, no group was a monolith.

[Renew Deal]

12. No, referring to African Americans as "PoC's" is also blowing it

It's dehumanizing.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

13. My Native American friends don't like it when I ignore them and simply talk about African Americans.

And I know more Native Americans than African Americans, but I don't want to ignore AAs either.

[pnwmom]

98. But when someone is specifically talking about African Americans,

why call them something else?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

166. Who was?

The OP doesn't specify AA, only 'race'. I didn't hear the actual NPR broadcast, and no link is provided.

So I'm not sure how your question applies.

[Renew Deal]

190. Sorry I jumped on you about this.

The "POC" acronym has been a pet peeve recently and I happened to respond to you about it. I have to start an OP at some point.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

191. Labels are always problematic.

And there's been a long history of labels moving from 'acceptable' to 'unacceptable' over time, as the 'acceptable' label is used more and more by people who mean it as an epithet. So you might just be ahead of the curve.

At some point, if we ever do get true racial equality and justice, maybe we'll finally all just be 'people'.

[madokie]

16. Hey she is tone deaf

I don't think she can help it. IMO

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

19. If that's a reference to me, 'Erich' is a male name.

And, btw, I picked up the phrase FROM African American and Native American posters over at Daily Kos. They used it to refer to themselves, because they realized that every person with non-white skins was treated worse by society, and not just African Americans. It was a more inclusive phrase.

[madokie]

20. What do I have to do with any of that?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

22. Well, let's see.

I made a comment that suggested Poc (People of Colour) were not monolithic in their views. Renew Deal then replied to that saying that using 'PoC' (as I just had) was 'blowing it'. You then replied to that comment saying something about 'she' being tone deaf.

Since the OP was about Bernie Sanders, who is obviously not female, and you were talking to Renew Deal about someone else being tone deaf, in response to my comment, I assumed you were talking about me as the 'she' who was tone deaf, for my use of 'PoC'.

Was there some other 'she' that your 'tone deaf' comment was actually about?

[madokie]

23. Hillary

its not about you, sorry
peace
have a good day

[Snotcicles]

62. Must not have been following the thread lines. nt

[haikugal]

113. I've started to look at the response to...it helps!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

167. Just got back on.

Thanks, the nesting on DU still trips me up at times.

[madokie]

168. Its ok Erich

[Ghost in the Machine]

185. You'll get the hang of it, don't worry. madokie is always a class act & valuable asset to DU..

as you have witnessed by his final reply to you. Hang in there and you will figure the sub-threads out eventually. I've been around here for about 10 years or so, and they still confuse me sometimes, especially when they just start forming a straight line after a certain number of replies.



Peace,

Ghost

[TM99]

17. I honestly hate its usage as well.

But there are more than just African Americans and Hispanics. I am bi-racial. Native Americans are neither of the first two. It is sadly the only way to cover all of us.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

18. I picked it up over on Daily Kos, where it was

used quite extensively by the African Americans and Native Americans onsite, and gradually was adopted by us people without colour as well.

[KamaAina]

59. Well, then, it's a good thing that Erich isn't being inerviewed on NPR, isn't it?

[jwirr]

71. Not in my family of mixed race children. I'd have to state the whole list every time I talk about

them: black, Native American, white, Asian, Hispanic kids.

[HappyMe]

10. I will read the transcript when it becomes available.

[Bonobo]

14. Oh man, Kwassa thinks Bernie is blowing it! I'm fucking shocked! nt

[NCTraveler]

15. Transcript or link to the video? Thank you. nt.

[Octafish]

21. NPR ask about his dual citizenship with Israel?

It's part of the new Bernie Sanders interview model.

[jwirr]

73. Is that what he refused to talk about? No wonder! LOL.

[AgingAmerican]

92. He didn't refuse to talk about anything

The OP is dishonest.

[jwirr]

102. Thank you.

[Orrex]

115. He certainly refused to answer the question about "underdog candidates"

Reply # 92 is dishonest.

[MerryBlooms]

24. NPR link to OP topic

NPR NEWS INTERVIEW WITH SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS
PREVIEW AVAILABLE NOW AT NPR.ORG

June 24, 2015; Washington, D.C. – In an interview with Morning Edition host David Greene, the Senator from Vermont and 2016 presidential candidate weighs in on major political issues currently at play, such as gun control and foreign policy, and the problems he sees in Washington.

The conversation airs in full on Thursday, June 25, on Morning Edition (find local stations and broadcast times at npr.org/stations). A full transcript of the interview will be available on Thursday at approximately 10:00 AM (ET) at NPR.org.

http://www.npr.org/about-npr/417232908/npr-news-interview-with-senator-bernie-sanders

[SamKnause]

25. I just listened to the interview.

I totally disagree with your assessment.

The interviewer was hostile and rude.

Bernie came out smelling like a rose.

He is the no bullshit candidate.

He answered the questions truthfully.

He didn't allow the interviewer to take control.

He has the record to back up his positions.

I have no problem with his position on guns.

[appalachiablue]

28. Thanks, I respect your analysis. This is exactly what I know Bernie to be in interviews & in life.

[SamKnause]

33. Thank you.

[Sancho]

38. I just listened, and I disagree with you entirely...

Gun control is important to me. Bernie is a problem on this issue, and that's one reason I don't think he's the best candidate.

He waffles - "sensible gun control" is a way of getting around effective controls. He says, "let's have an intelligent debate", but he won't debate - he lectures.

Bernie goes back again to economic justice. I disagree completely with his POV. Social justice is larger than just unemployment. Bernie doesn't get it.

I also don't like Bernie's "solutions" as only economic.

Bernie interrupts, argues and doesn't listen. The interviewer was focusing again on social justice, and Bernie wouldn't go there.

I'll vote for the Democratic candidate, and I've listened to Bernie for years. He's too simplistic and narrow on his economic plans. He also has an "under the table" tacit support that prevents effective gun control.

I don't think he's the best candidate for President on some issues.

[Quackers]

149. "Tacit"

I've never heard that word before and I consider myself well-read. Learn something new everyday.

[Sancho]

154. all those years with "Reader's Digest Pay to Increase Your Word Power"

Of course, now I'm needing the large print edition!

[Orrex]

57. I heard that interview as well.

The interviewer was hostile, but Bernie's attitude in response was small-time and amateurish. He came across as rattled and unmistakably irritated.

The question that seemed to set Sanders off was about the historical trend of "underdog candidates" derailing a party's lead candidate, and the interviewer lists a dozen examples where this seems to have occurred.

Sanders scoffed and peevishly refused to answer what he dismissed as "an absurd question." He also grumbled something to the effect of "I guess we should just pick the candidates and go to sleep." He then touted his own record of campaign success among the 2nd smallest electorate in the nation, as if that were relevant to the question at hand.


What kind of backwoods homebrew candidate would say such a ridiculous thing on the national stage? Did he not realize that his mic was on? Does he not care that he has now clearly portrayed (revealed?) himself as unable to handle uncomfortable questions? Does he think that he'll face less of that while campaigning for the general election? Also, he referred to himself at least once in the third person.


He sounded ridiculous and thoroughly unelectable. More important, he sounded like he knows it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

87. I can't bear to listen to BS, but thanks for that analysis. Sounds about right. n/t

[bunnies]

152. clever. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

156. Why, thank you. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

96. I just listened to it

And everything you say is wrong. Bernie told the truth and came across as sincere and honest. IT's all at the link below.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/25/417180942/sanders-my-goal-right-now-is-to-win-this-election

[Orrex]

108. You should listen to it again.

And this time try to listen objectively rather than as a rose-eared fawning admirer. At best, we can call this interview "fan service," because it sure as hell doesn't make him look like a serious contender to anyone who hasn't already fallen under his spell.

Bernie told the truth and came across as sincere and honest.

Bernie snapped like an amateur, and he came across like a jerk.

More than anything, he sounded like someone who's realized that he stands no chance of winning the nomination.

[AgingAmerican]

110. It was a 'Gotcha!' interview and he handled himself well

And stood his ground.

[Orrex]

111. No it wasn't, and no he didn't

He sounded volatile and hot-headed and not ready for the big stage.

By all means keep thinking that he did great. As long as you vote for the Democrat in 2016, I don't care what stories you tell yourself in the meantime.

[TM99]

169. Did he sound as bad as this?

Is Clinton ready for the big stage as well?

I mean she didn't understand the question and went off on someone far worse than Sanders did in this interview.

But she gets a pass, right?

[Orrex]

172. I can't view that vid. How recent is it?

[TM99]

174. Why can't you view it?

Why does it matter if it is recent?

You are trying to say that Sanders lost his temper and therefore is not presidential.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/10/clinton-on-question-for-m_n_255814.html

Clinton has done so as well. Fuck she has even lied about sniper fire. Why is she qualified given your rubric?

[Orrex]

180. Because it won't load for me. Sorry.

As to your question, well, let's consider the numbers. How long has Sanders been in the national public eye at Clinton's level? Two months now? Three?

Before you answer, here's a true story that I posted on DU on April 20 of this year:

Just came back from my lunch break in my office's cafeteria

I was in a crowd of about two dozen adults, all of them well known to me, so on a whim I asked if they know who Bernie Sanders is.

About 20 had no idea.

Two knew him as the Senator from Vermont--one of whom really likes Sanders.

One made a joke about Kentucky Fried Chicken, then admitted that he has no idea.

Of that crowd, only one (other than me) knew that Sanders has declared his intent to seek the nomination.

Of that crowd, how many do you think know who Hillary is?

Sure, you can dismiss that as anecdotal, but the point is served: every single person in my sample crowd knew exactly who Clinton is, and she's been a nationally recognized figure for over 20 years, castigated and attacked and hounded for much of that span. During that time, how many interviews has she given? And you dig up a years-old Q&A to find a question where she failed to keep her cool? I'd say that her batting average is pretty damned impressive.

And now we have Sanders, who's only seriously been on the national radar since some time after he announced his candidacy, and yet in that time he managed to blow his stack over a softball question on NPR? Really? You think that the comparison is reasonable?


If by some miracle Sanders manages to win the nomination, then I will vote for him in Nov 2016. How will you vote if he does not?

[immoderate]

134. I thought he was great!

There is a pragmatic, incisive mind.

And remember, outlook of the interviewer notwithstanding, that adversarial interviews are where the subject can "smack it out of the park."

Bernie is actually constructing the limits of debate. And he wants it to be about policy, not soap operas.

--imm

[tazkcmo]

112. Me too

Interviewer tried stirring shit but Bernie didn't bite. Was typical Sanders and an example of why he's got my support.

[Jester Messiah]

27. I know, it's like he doesn't know how to pander at all!

Geez, check a box or two, Bern.

[stevenleser]

29. You just referred to addressing African American social issues as "pandering"

Reflect or not, it's up to you.

[Jester Messiah]

31. Hold on, I'll just get my clutching pearls.

As if economic issues, which Bernie was addressing, didn't apply to everyone. This new re-segregation thing some people seem to be angling for is pretty shitty.

[Ed Suspicious]

46. Plus one! It's a little primary season divide and conquer by the establishment candidate

supporters. It's pretty clever tactic, politically speaking. Clever and cynical and totally shitty.

[LondonReign2]

53. "Clever and cynical and totally shitty"

Welcome to the 2016 Clinton campaign. You liked 2008's racist dog whistles? Well you're going to love 2016.

[Puglover]

81. Pfft.

Leave off the clever and you're 100 spot on!

[truebrit71]

51. No, YOU did that with your strawman...

...Not even worth a quick grin....

[stevenleser]

55. Nope, I didn't. That poster did. nt

[truebrit71]

127. Um, no.

Your strawman.

[stevenleser]

164. Um, yes. It's obvious. nt

[truebrit71]

175. Yes, your strawman is obvious.

Thanks for finally agreeing.

[stevenleser]

177. Nope, it's not a strawman, its precisely what that poster did. nt

[truebrit71]

178. "Precisely"?

Um, no. YOU made that statement up, and then attacked the poster for saying it. Classic strawman.

[kelliekat44]

30. He probably doesn't want to reveal how he really feels about it. Bound to wound some segment of his

support.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Do not imply it

say it

[haikugal]

131. It's really ugly around here...

I'd leave but I think that's the angle, damn!

[nadinbrzezinski]

136. And I had one tell me that none of this ugliness is happening

I mean, the rank racism and at times antisemitism is my imagination. Of course got very angry when I pointed out she was white 'splaining.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

36. I agree with nadin, just come right out and say what you think he really feels about it. nt

[TM99]

40. Come on, say it.

Really. Don't just imply it, say it outright.

How does Sanders really feel?

[frylock]

66. Bernie Sanders doesn't care about black people.

[Tarheel_Dem]

89. +1

[Marr]

157. You are not helping your candidate with that crap. /nt

[Xyzse]

35. Thanks!

I've had a hard time trying to listen to NPR lately.

It really is sad, since I had so many fond memories of them.

[Thinkingabout]

37. As a president of the US, will be facing all issues, not just the ones the person may be

interested in pushing. He talks about hunters, most do not hunt with assault weapons, most hunters can bag their game without many many shots.

He only wants to talk about certain issues and is snarky when ask about ones he does not want to talk about.

[TM99]

39. Snarky?

Ha, if that was Clinton, it would be called 'controlling the message'.

[Thinkingabout]

42. If she answered in the tone Bernie it would still be snarky.

Why do you try to excuse Bernie by trying to put the monkey on Hillary's back. Bernie has to sell himself, if he can't then he will not be able to ride in on someone else.

[TM99]

43. I don't think Sanders was snarky.

He was blunt, direct, and pushed back on bullshit snarky questions.

But my point still stands. If Clinton did that, she would be 'controlling the message'. Sanders is just being snarky.

[Thinkingabout]

45. You say the questions was snarky, not as snarky as the response, yep, you know Bernie was snarky.

[AgingAmerican]

100. He wasn't at all snarky

The poster is being disingenuous.

[TM99]

170. Naturally.

I expect that from this poster.

[Orrex]

64. That is 100% spot on

Except that "snarky" is a bit of an understatement IMO.

[Thinkingabout]

70. Gotta keep it clean.

[Orrex]

74. Upon reflection, I realized...

that if I'd adopted Sanders' tone in any job interview I've ever had, I'd never have been hired anywhere.

They'd dismiss me as a hot-head and conclude that I'd be unable to handle myself in a stressful professional confrontation.

[Thinkingabout]

76. And especailly if you told them "Shut up".

[Orrex]

80. Yes indeed. Interviewers admire professionalism like that.

[Cleita]

82. I didn't know Bernie was applying for a job at NPR.

I believe he is applying for a job from, "we the people". He is showing us how he will deal with these efforts to trip him up and so far he has shown me he's up to the job.

[Orrex]

85. Then he needs to step his game, because he sounds like a jerk.

He is showing us how he will deal with these efforts to trip him up

Yes he is, very clearly. He's showing us that he stomps his feet and snaps at his interviewers and refuses to answer questions that he doesn't like.

That might play well in the 2nd smallest electorate in the land, but on the national stage it makes him look like he knows that he's seriously out of his depth.

But not to his supporters, of course. For them, every failure is proof of his virtue.



Must be nice.

[Cleita]

88. Hahahaha!

Channeling his inner Harry Truman. Good for Bernie. I was alive when Harry was Presidenrt and he didn't suffer fools gladly. He directly told off many assholes publicly who asked him stupid questions.

Makes me believe even more that he will be a great President.

[Orrex]

95. He'll do well when he runs for office in 1948

And he can comfort himself with the knowledge that his supporters will still line up to kiss the hem of his garment no matter how badly he screws up in interviews or on the campaign trail in general.

Makes me believe even more that he will be a great President.

I'm sure that you believe this, and this simply proves that Sanders' second greatest vulnerability is the blind adoration of his acolytes.

[AgingAmerican]

99. Did you listen to the interview?

He mentioned hunters but talked about gun control issues. Like banning assault weapons and background checks. He talked about lots and lots of issues, but apparently you didn't listen to the interview.

Well now you can: http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/25/417180942/sanders-my-goal-right-now-is-to-win-this-election

[Thinkingabout]

117. Yes I listened, this is why I made the remark about his snarky answers. Apparently you did

not read where I said he was snarky.

[tazkcmo]

114. Which is why

Why he voted to ban assault weapons.

[Oilwellian]

41. I just has listened to the entire interview

and your post is blatantly dishonest. Bernie spoke about economic and judicial injustices committed against the black community. This is not a winning strategy for your candidate, although I do understand your struggle.

[Thinkingabout]

44. And he did not speak of other subjects except to run back to his "economics". Also,

Bernie is not going to have a winning strategy trying to divert all questions. I am not struggling with Hillary on the issues.

[Ed Suspicious]

47. As I have been told repeatedly by Blue Dog Dems over the years in every presidential election. . .

"It's the economy, stupid." Funny how when the populist candidate stays on this message the dogs start to bark that he's not doing it right.

[Thinkingabout]

58. That was before 9/11, before the mass shootings, before ISIS, before wage disparity.

Now if the only matters Bernie wants to answer, then time has passed by him.

[Ed Suspicious]

60. Goalposts moved post 9/11. Got it.

[winter is coming]

94. Hey, it worked for the BFEE. n/t

[arcane1]

63. The economy no longer matters? ISIS is thousands of miles away.

Anyone who campaigns on 9/11 and ISIS is a fear-monger, not a candidate.

"Wage disparity" is older than anyone on DU.

[Thinkingabout]

69. Are you sure ISIS is thousands of miles away? No, you don't know this.

Yes wage disparity is older than DU but not older than anyone on DU. Also, a president can not only dwell with issues they want to think are important, there are many more.

Fear-mongering comes in different clothes.

[Ed Suspicious]

79. Nice to see you're an acolyte of the Lindsay Graham School of Political Savvy.

[AgingAmerican]

103. Bernie answers everything

And did so in the interview. You are being disingenuous.

[Orrex]

133. Except the questions that he doesn't answer, of course.

Like that one about underdog candidates. You know, the one that he scoffed at and dismissed.

[Orrex]

75. Well, no.

"It's the economy, stupid," is the answer when the question is "what's the most basic issue of importance for most voters?"

"It's the economy, stupid," is not the answer to every question, not even when the populist candidate tries it.

[madfloridian]

48. I just listened. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[uponit7771]

139. I disagree, he specifically couched BLM into economic issues... that's wrong on it's face. I can be

... rich like Tyler Perry and still get treated like Tyler Perry did with the police...

80% of blacks in America are not poor, 80% of blacks aren't dealing with economic issues we're dealing with people who think flying the banner of a terrorist organization on capital city grounds is ok

[LanternWaste]

49. Depending on who one may support, a candidate is either blowing it, pandering, or triangulating.

Depending on who one may support, a candidate is either blowing it, pandering, or triangulating.

[madfloridian]

50. My opinion

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026901501

[truebrit71]

52. Your concern is noted.

[Bobbie Jo]

56. As you can clearly see

Your concern is summarily dismissed.

Yet again...

[Orrex]

61. Sanders supporters are the believers for whom no evidence is needed

If any Republican candidate had handled that softball interview as clumsily as Sanders did, we'd all be laughing about how the silly candidate had managed to remove himself from the race.

You know who else similarly refused to put up with the press? Dennis Kucinich.

You know who else bombed out his run at the Presidency? Dennis Kucinich.


But somehow, when Sanders fumbles equally as badly, it's called a victory. Within this thread, supporters are already using the exact kind of rationalizations we'll see when Sanders fails to secure the nomination.

[Comrade Grumpy]

65. OK, you've convinced me. Bernie gave a bad interview, so I'm voting for Hillary.

Sheesh.

[Orrex]

67. That was a response worthy of Sanders himself

Clumsy and petulant because of the questioner's lack of deference, and no doubt praised by Sanders supporters as a witty rejoinder.


Are you willing to accept that Sanders gave a bad interview?

[Comrade Grumpy]

116. No. I haven't listened to it yet, and I certainly wouldn't take your word for it.

[Orrex]

120. Sanders supporters are always so level-headed

No wonder you praise Sanders for blowing his stack during a nationally aired interview.

Will you still vote for the Democrat who's on the ballot on 2016?

[Comrade Grumpy]

142. Like the senator, I have little patience for bullshit.

[Orrex]

145. Yet you continue to spew it so copiously. Curious.

And before this post gets hidden, I encourage the jury to review the admirably level-headed post that preceded mine.

[TM99]

171. Don't you just love

the projection and hypocrisy of this poster?

[Trajan]

130. Your insinuations are tiring ...

Pitiful ... The attacks against good Liberals here are getting intolerable ...

Perhaps the WORSE pre election phase I have seen here ... Fucking ugly ...

All along I have thought I had no problem voting for Hillary, but I am beginning to rethink this ... Frustrated and angry at the blatant insults ... Snark? ... It's more than that ... It's bloodletting at it's finest ...

[Orrex]

132. I'm not insinuating anything--I'm stating it outright.

Sanders cannot win the nomination, and if nominated then he will not win the election. It's that simple, and I've heard/seen/read absolutely no credible argument to the contrary. Demonstrate that I'm wrong. I have a well-established history on DU of admitting when I'm wrong, but I don't believe in fairy tales, so I need stronger evidence than "he's gaining in the polls."

Sanders' supporters don't like to hear this, so they pretend that such objections are "Fucking ugly" "attacks against good Liberals." Puh-leeze. If you can't handle criticism of your favored candidate at this stage of the game, then how would you cope if he actually won the nomination?

All along I have thought I had no problem voting for Hillary, but I am beginning to rethink this

Well, that's on you, and it's simply dishonest of you to blame your "rethink" on people who don't support Sanders.

I will happily vote for Sanders if he is on the ticket, because what the hell else would I do?

[Comrade Grumpy]

143. You have an opinion. Good for you.

[Orrex]

147. You're adorable when you're frustrated.

[frylock]

68. oh noes!

[whatchamacallit]

72. Did he say "All lives matter"? n/t

[AgingAmerican]

86. He said, "Black lives matter"

But the OP didn't mention it.

[99Forever]

77. Ahh... The Faux Outrage Commitee is hard at it again.

Bless your heart.

[shenmue]

78. Stop reminding people he's not perfect

[AgingAmerican]

83. Oh brother

The desperation strawman just gets thicker and thicker. More wishful, dishonest, manufactured outrage.

[AgingAmerican]

90. Listen here

Bernie is right, the OP is wrong.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/25/417180942/sanders-my-goal-right-now-is-to-win-this-election

[TeeYiYi]

91. Here's the complete transcript...

...and audio file:

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/25/417180942/sanders-my-goal-right-now-is-to-win-this-election

TYY

[winter is coming]

104. Thank you. Wow, the OP really mischaracterized that interview. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

106. Yes, the OP is highly dishonest

nt

[Orrex]

129. No, the OP is spot-on.

nt

[Raine1967]

141. The OP is not dishonest.

The OP listened to the interview as I did, and it was not a good reflection of Senator Sanders.

As I said elsewhere in this thread it really is in the ear of the listener. I was not pleased with how he dismissed the black lives matter movement to make it all about economic issues.

Not everything is all about economic issues. Here is the thing, Bernie is great on that issue, but he came across is this interview as dismissive of a lot of social justice problems that a LOT of people want to talk about. They want to see changes and they know that all the money inequality in the world isn't going to change racial inequality in this nation. It's not going to change the number of black men that are killed by rogue police departments.

This interview did not help him.

I don't think the OP was dishonest, the OP was expressing a feeling and an opinion about this interview. I was put off ESPECIALLY when he said "quote, unquote Liberals." That is a quote. That is what he said.

That last part was really not cool.

[Koinos]

150. In my opinion, this was not Bernie's best interview.

I am weary of hearing the bit about Vermont hunters. The Brady Bill, which Sanders voted against, called for background checks; it did not take rifles out of the hands of Vermont hunters.

Income inequality is not the sole cause of all of our problems, including racial tension. I do not subscribe to economic determinism, whether capitalistic or Marxist or any other brand.

Bernie should sit down with mayors of big cities and listen to what they have to say about "urban" issues. I think he could learn from them. He should try to make his knowledge of urban matters less abstract more concrete.

[AgingAmerican]

153. It was a gotcha interview

Bernie stuck to his guns and stayed on message. the OP is a hit piece.

[Cha]

176. Exactly Raine..it's actually "dishonest" to claim the "OP is dishonest" when it was kwassa's Opinion

Too bad Bernie's backers can't handle someone's opinion that doesn't give him glowing freaking reviews 24/7.

[Prism]

93. He was dodging an invitation to attack Clinton

The interviewer so desperately wanted him to slam her.

He wouldn't do it. He wasn't playing that game.

[Ed Suspicious]

109. Good for him to stay above the fray.

This is clearly not his first rodeo.

[LittleBlue]

97. Did he mention"hard-working white voters"?

He's clearly not as advanced as Hillary on the issue of race

[hifiguy]

101. Your concern is duly noted.

[B2G]

105. At least HE'S giving interviews.

I listened, I liked.

[Raine1967]

118. Oh, this isn't very good.

I am listening here. (and I AM LISTENING)
At the 4+ minute mark when the interviewer is talking about the black lives matter issue, Bernoe made it much more about economics that race. It gets really uncomfortable at the 5 minute mark.

He is filibustering the interviewer.

I guess the interview is in the eyes of the beholder, but he came across as very dismissive of the issues that the black community is talking about.

Not everything needs to be viewed in the optics of economics. That is my opinion.

I know that Sanders means well, but this isn't good. HE actually said quote, unquote* Liberals. That is not cool.

[Orrex]

124. ^^That. All of that.

For his supporters, the interview is emblematic of Sanders' in-your-face, take-no-bullshit attitude that will win the election in a landslide.

For the rest of the world, the interview is a clear demonstration of why Sanders won't (and shouldn't) win the nomination.

[okasha]

183. I agree with your assessment.

Sanders dodged and wove all ovee landscape on gun issues.

He reduced everything else to economic issues , which is just another iteration of "trickle down"--economic justice somehow trickles down to become social justice.

Economic justice doesn't help a non-white driver who's pulled over at gunpoint by some twitchy cop for an imaginary moving violation.

It doesn't help a nurse who needs an "abortifascient" to make sure she doesn't get pregnant by the rapist who attacked her in the parking lot when she came off a double shift at midnight.

It doesn't help the LGBT attorney who's beaten half to death because some twisted asshole hates f--s.

And the idea that it does is delusional.

[Cha]

184. Bernie's not perfect. like so many of his campaigners on DU want us to think. that's for damn sure.

Mahalo Raine.

[Raine1967]

189. Mahalo, my friend!

I don't expect anyone to be perfect, but like I said, he came off poorly in this interview.

[RiffRandell]

121. Not according to this link I just stumbled upon.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/25/1396496/-BERNIE-Amazing-NPR-Interview-what-Democracy-is-about

Bernie did an amazing interview on NPR this morning. He dodged their horrible questions and made some amazing points.

Basically the question was "Aren't you just ruining Hillary's chances?"
The BERN responds with the ultimate take down:

"Is your point that people should not contest elections, that we should simply have the establishment bringing forth a candidate? So the implication is that somebody should decide who the lead candidate is, and we'll go to sleep. That's a good idea, that's what democracy is about, right?"

The interviewer seemed obsessed that Bernie wouldn't at first use the phrase "Black Lives Matter".... and then Bernie derided all the phraseology... like a politician using a phrase will change anything.

The comments on the NPR site regarding the interview are completely opposite of your OP.

Actually, I don't think I saw one negative comment about Bernie. Here's a snippet of one; I suggest everyone check them out. I found them to be quite an interesting read.

Roland J > ke lockhart • 6 hours ago

It's the best interview of a politician I think I've ever heard in my life. Not because the interviewer has any interviewing skills, but because the politician actually questions the premise of each question.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417180805/bernie-sanders-walks-a-fine-line-on-gun-control

[Orrex]

126. Well, some people can see a mug of shit and believe it's hot cocoa.

This comment, more than anything else IMO, made Sanders sound unhinged:

"So the implication is that somebody should decide who the lead candidate is, and we'll go to sleep. That's a good idea, that's what democracy is about, right?"

In addition to being a borderline tantrum, it was an ridiculous response to a reasonable question. It has been shown repeatedly that underdog candidates can damage a party's lead candidate, and the interviewer listed a number of examples. Rather than addressing the question asked, Sanders decided to pose a different question--in classic Rumsfeld fashion, as a matter of fact--and then not answer that one, either. Instead, he gave a clumsy dismissal, and his supporters are tripping over themselves in their eagerness to praise him.

[RiffRandell]

155. Unhinged?

I'm not the one freaking out about it, just pointing out the pretty blatant facts of the interview.

Sander's answer was spot on. I highly doubt if he lost he'd pull a Lieberman. I'm also glad that Al Gore contested the 2000 election that he won, and am by no means a Nader fan.

I like Hillary and will vote for her if she is the Democratic nominee, but I have the right to vote in the primaries for my first choice.

[Orrex]

159. Who's freaking out? Certainly not me.

Identifying a non-viable candidate as non-viable is hardly freaking out, nor is pointing out his clumsy failure to handle a softball question.

Sander's answer was spot on.

But it wasn't an answer, and that's the problem. It was an artless deflection and a dismissal specifically because he didn't want to answer.

It's clear that this is a matter on which his supporters and non-supporters will simply not agree. I guess we'll see how it shakes out in the months to come.

I have the right to vote in the primaries for my first choice.

Of course, that's an empty platitude because absolutely no one has suggested otherwise.

[RiffRandell]

163. I'm eager to see how things shake out.

I had no problem with his answer and agreed with him.

Perhaps I should have worded it that a vote for Sanders is hurting my party. That's absolutely what David Greene suggested, as you pointed out as well in your first response to me.

DG: I, I want to look at history just for a second. Um ...There have been underdog candidates in past presidential elections, who have ended up hurting their parties. 1968, Eugene McCarthy forces a fellow Democrat out of the race, Lyndon Johnson, a Republican — Richard Nixon — becomes president. 1992, Pat Buchanan really bruises President George H.W. Bush, and you end up with a Democratic president — Bill Clinton. Is it fair when people compare your candidacy to candidacies like that?

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/25/417180942/sanders-my-goal-right-now-is-to-win-this-election

[Vattel]

182. Come on, you have to admire the comedy of claiming

that Bernie sounded "unhinged" and that his response was a "borderline tantrum." Can the anti-Bernie stuff get even sillier? I am looking forward to laughing even harder if it does.

[Orrex]

187. Laugh all you like. I don't care.

As long as you vote for the actual Democratic nominee in Nov 2016, then it makes no difference to me how you spin Sanders' clumsy interviews in the meantime.

[dorkzilla]

122. I realize the beauty is in the eye of the beholder but

He did a GREAT job, wouldn’t tear down Hillary just to make himself look better. He didn’t “stubbornly refuse” to answer anything, he refused to answer the question in the way the reporter wanted him to.

EVERYTHING he said was sensible and honest. He refused to delve from his norm which is not to run a negative campaign. He’s not taking the Hillary bait. He said he respects and likes her.

I think he’s a breath of fresh air, refusing to go along with the game David Greene was trying to play. I also think that a lot of our fellow Americans just aren’t going to like his tone - he is a New Yorker by birth. We’re (I am Bronx born) often labeled as “rude” or “short tempered” because we don’t like to waste a moment of time being phony or engaging in small talk or helping someone else’s hidden agenda. We tell it like it is, and expect you to speak plainly too. Anyone born in the 5 boroughs has a finely tuned bullshit meter, and you’ll get slammed down very quickly if we perceive you’re playing a game. There will be no double-speak with Senator Sanders.

He didn’t blow it in the least.

[Marr]

160. Oops-- mispost.

[Bernie 2016]

179. I echo the bullshit detector - my wife is one of them.

Brooklyn born and bred.

[madfloridian]

123. Hey, read this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026902889

[RiffRandell]

125. I just posted about it upthread as I didn't see your OP.

Sorry!

[madfloridian]

128. Here's the transcript. read it for yourself.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6903479

[Orrex]

137. Better to listen to the interview IMO

The transcript fails to capture Sanders' tone as he dismissed questions and talked over the interviewer.

[madfloridian]

138. Ok, got it. Bad Bernie.

[Orrex]

144. Unfortunately, yes.

Again and again his supporters are praising him for standing up to the interview, but to the non-supporter, Sanders' came off as stubborn and smug, as though he can simply dismiss questions that he doesn't like and move on.

Sure, he can dismiss them, but he would be ill-advised to ignore the impact of that dismissal. Over time, it makes him look less "brave and principled" and more "frightened and uncertain." And it's certainly not a good longterm strategy if he expects to win.

Again, his supporters will praise him for it, but offering fan service to the faithful won't boost his numbers beyond those who already believe.

[madfloridian]

135. Anybody read the transcript yet? Link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026902889#post36

[kwassa]

140. The transcript reveals just what I said, but doesn't reveal Bernie's tone saying it.

which was argumentative and blunt. This is after Bernie avoided the question the first time. Watch Bernie avoid the question one more time, and avoid social issues altogether to label it as only an economic issue.

DG: But if I may return to my question, we had the voice of a woman on our air who protested in Ferguson. She said she needs to hear her president say the lives of my children matter, my little black children matter. I mean, are you ready to go to Ferguson and say black lives matter?

BS: Am I ready to go to Ferguson? What do you think I've been saying on the floor? When the lives matter, it means we are not going to accept police brutality or illegal behavior against young African-Americans OR anybody else. But when you talk about "lives matter," sometimes what we forget is when 51 percent of young African-American kids are unemployed. Are those lives that matter?

DG: "But what do you make of Hillary Clinton being dinged by some people for not using that phrase ..."

BS: <inaudible> I want to get back to you. No, no, no one second, alright. 51 percent of young African-American kids are unemployed, that's in a generation. One out of three or one out of four young black males born today are likely to end up in jail. Do you think that's an issue we should be talking about?

DG: It sounds like you would have been ready to say that phrase if you were there?

BS: Phraseology, of course I'd use that phrase. Black lives matter, white lives matter, Hispanic lives matter. But these are also not only police matters, they're not only gun control matters, they are significantly economic matters.

DG: So ...

BS: Wait a minute let me just answer this ...

DG: Sure.

BS: Because it's too easy for quote-unquote liberals to be saying 'well let's use this phrase.' Well, what are we going to do about 51 percent of young African-Americans unemployed? We need a massive jobs program to put black kids to work and white kids to work and Hispanic kids to work. So my point is, is that it's sometimes easy to say — worry about what phrase you're going to use. It's a lot harder to stand up to the billionaire class and say, you know what? You're going to have to pay some taxes. You can't get away with putting your money in tax havens, because we need that money to create millions of jobs for black kids, for white kids, for Hispanic kids.

[DiverDave]

146. Wow, he's a goner now!!!

I heard the whole thing, maybe your 'review' is skewed by your support of
another candidate?

Be more truthful next time.

[Gloria]

148. I noticed a similar thing in an interview I saw which touched on gun control...

He explained a pro-gun vote as representing VT, but what really surprised me was his harsh tone. What would it have cost him to mention that while he feels for the victims and the families after tragedies involving guns, these are the reasons I voted on this issue.

It makes me wonder about him...Talking directly about policy in abstract, big ways is great, but there has to be some empathy, too.

[Koinos]

151. Appeared to have more empathy for Vermont hunters.

I don't think he meant it to come out that way, but it did.

[Kalidurga]

158. Attacking Bernie from the left is not going to work ultimately

nice try though.

[Marr]

161. He refused to go after Hillary Clinton for her oblivious 'all lives matter' remarks. /nt

[etherealtruth]

162. I was rooting for Bernie as I listened on my way into work ...

I don't think it was a bad interview, but it seemed to me he was given many opportunities to reach out (specifically) to black folk and other people of color. I was rooting for him to say 'Black lives matter" (he did utter the words but quickly included a list of all the lives that matter).

Yes, all lives matter .... but, we live in a society where black lives have been subjected to the damaging (and lethal) effects of racism. I desperately wanted Bernie to acknowledge that. I wanted to hear it as a separate issue, as an important issue.

I DO NOT believe Bernie is a racist, I don't believe he is a bigot .... what I do believe is that his message does not often resonate with people of color.

His delivery appears as if his audience is the same as it is in Vermont (a very homogeneous state: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/50000.html) I desperately wanted him to break out of that pattern.

He truly has a great history and generally great positions ... but, I really would like for him to speak in a way that resonates with more people.

[kwassa]

165. this is a good point.

The interviewer was giving Bernie the opportunity to reach out to people of color, and he refused to do it.

[TM99]

173. This interviewer did not give a shit about

black lives matter.

Read the transcript. The question was a lead up to a comparison to Clinton and to get Sanders to weigh in on her flub yesterday with 'all lives matter'.

It was a gotcha interview, and if the same thing was happening to Clinton, we would be admonished (probably as sexist) if we criticized her fighting back and against such a setup.

I am glad he pushed back. I want a president with a backbone and who would speak honestly if not always perfectly eloquently. Obama gives pretty speeches and governs like a fucking Republican. No thanks, not again.

[Orrex]

188. Every interview from now thru Nov 2016 will be a gotcha interview

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Yesterday's softball question will seem like a glowingly positive endorsement by comparison. What will Sanders do when he's faced with an actual, aggressive "gotcha" interview? What will his supporters do?

And for those praising Sanders' perceived assertiveness in attacking the question, lets recall that Gore was criticized for days following the first 2000 debate because he reached out too aggressively to shake Bush's hand. How will they treat the less-well-known contender who snaps defensively at questions he doesn't like?

However great a president Sanders might be, he's not a very good campaigner.

[Joe Turner]

181. Disagree, It's a landmine issue

One wrong step and you can blow your candidacy to bits. Bernie is again playing it smart here.

[Jamaal510]

186. I listened

a few minutes ago, and I'm thinking "uh-oh..." There were some things I agreed with him on of course (like his idea about the U.S. choosing its foreign battles more carefully), but there were also quite a few blind spots. The part where he mentioned "phraseology" caught my interest because it minimizes the meaning of "Black Lives Matter". The whole idea behind naming the movement that was to remind everyone that Black lives indeed matter just as much as the lives of other racial/ethnic groups. I wasn't 100% satisfied with his response to the questions about Ferguson and elsewhere, and think he could've did better than deflecting back to fiscal policy. A lower UE rate/taking it to the "billionaire class" won't mean a thing when it comes to unarmed guys around my age who look like me being profiled. He also gave a not-so-great response at the end when he accused the interviewer of wanting the establishment of the Party to choose a candidate (even though the interviewer never did such a thing), and BS talked over him.
I found out what some of his flaws are through this interview, and got to see a fairly different side of him than what I see on MSNBC.