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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 11:34 PM Jun 2015

Medicare Part D has not saved money for Medicare

Researchers find prescription drug benefit did not save money for Medicare

http://www.northeastern.edu/news/2015/06/researchers-find-prescription-drug-benefit-did-not-save-money-for-medicare/

“We are con­cluding that Medicare Part D did not save the (Medicare) pro­gram any money overall,” said Briesacher, a health ser­vices researcher in the School of Phar­macy with nationally-​​recognized exper­tise in drug policy and med­ica­tion use in older adults. “You have to be real­istic about the fact that giving people access to med­ica­tion is impor­tant, but it’s not going to sub­stan­tially save money in other parts of the health care system or keep a sig­nif­i­cant number of people out of the hospital.”


Did Medicare Part D Affect National Trends in Health Outcomes or Hospitalizations?

http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2322799

Results: Five years after Part D implementation, no clinically or statistically significant reductions in the prevalence of fair or poor health status or limitations in ADLs or instrumental ADLs, relative to historical trends, were detected. Compared with trends before Part D, no changes in emergency department visits, hospital admissions or days, inpatient costs, or mortality after Part D were seen. Confirmatory analyses were consistent.

Conclusion: Five years after implementation, and contrary to previous reports, no evidence was found of Part D's effect on a range of population-level health indicators among Medicare enrollees. Further, there was no clear evidence of gains in medical care efficiencies.


Comment by Don McCanne of PNHP: Although it was important to include a drug benefit in the Medicare program there was concern that the conservatives designing the program wanted to allow the market to work its magic. The program was to be administered by private pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) rather than the government. In fact, the government was even prohibited from negotiating drug prices with the manufacturers. Further, it was thought that the benefits of improving access to drugs would make patients healthier thus reducing future costs for Medicare.

This study shows that the magic did not work in that the drug benefit did not save money for Medicare, and it did not measurably change the health status of Medicare beneficiaries. Specifically there were no changes in emergency room visits, hospitalizations, and inpatient costs, nor was there any change in mortality.

It would not be surprising to see conservatives propose that the Part D program be terminated since it supposedly isn’t doing any good. But there are innumerable studies that have shown that some medications do provide at least a modest benefit, though those benefits were not detected by this study.

At any rate, it is clear that PBMs are not as effective price negotiators as is our government, as demonstrated by the greater value in drug purchasing that we have through the VA and the Medicaid program. Also, the PBMs waste considerable funds in excess administrative activities, not to mention the added middleman profits that they divert to themselves.

Under an improved Medicare for all we would have a more efficient and less costly publicly-administered program that would ensure that the government was paying fair prices for our drugs. It is not that way now.
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Medicare Part D has not saved money for Medicare (Original Post) eridani Jun 2015 OP
No kidding. GWB's big gift to Big Pharma, another of the pig Cleita Jun 2015 #1
I didn't see your post before I posted. merrily Jun 2015 #4
... Cleita Jun 2015 #5
Every senior I know likes it. former9thward Jun 2015 #15
They could have had as good or even better without robbing the country Cleita Jun 2015 #18
I thought Part D was supposed to make big PHRMA even more obscenely profitable than it was. merrily Jun 2015 #2
Of course it hasn't. Who in their right minds thought it would? NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #3
It has saved me a lot of money on my blood pressure meds. n/t RebelOne Jun 2015 #6
I don't doubt it. The problem is that your medicine would have not been Cleita Jun 2015 #7
The program didn't go into effect until 2005. Drugs have always been more expensive here. Hoyt Jun 2015 #9
Actually, it should be included in Medicare and not be part D at all forcing seniors to Cleita Jun 2015 #13
I agree. But, Part D is better than nothing. Truth is, neither Dems or Repugs did a darn Hoyt Jun 2015 #14
I know. I did without medication because I couldn't afford it so part D Cleita Jun 2015 #17
I don't. Problem on these type of issues, the feds aren't going to budget the upfront investment Hoyt Jun 2015 #19
As one who saw too many elderly going without, or cutting pills into thirds, I doubt it. Hoyt Jun 2015 #8
You are spot on, Hoyt. brer cat Jun 2015 #10
I hope there are more studies. I cannot believe people taking their meds for diabetes, blood Hoyt Jun 2015 #11
What's more important, saving money or giving seniors access to medication? Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #12
The whole presciption drug thing is way out of line with costs, especially when compared to .... dmosh42 Jun 2015 #16

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. No kidding. GWB's big gift to Big Pharma, another of the pig
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 11:41 PM
Jun 2015

industries wallowing at the trough of our Treasury that they have so efficiently raided with wars, oil and every other grift they could legally do.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
4. I didn't see your post before I posted.
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 11:55 PM
Jun 2015


For the record, Hillary and Bernie both voted against it. Obama was not yet a US Senator.

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
15. Every senior I know likes it.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jun 2015

Gift or not it has saved them money and given them access to various medications.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
18. They could have had as good or even better without robbing the country
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jun 2015

for their excessive profits. Other countries pay a fraction for their drugs that we pay.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. I thought Part D was supposed to make big PHRMA even more obscenely profitable than it was.
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 11:46 PM
Jun 2015

Did it fail to do that?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
7. I don't doubt it. The problem is that your medicine would have not been
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 12:44 AM
Jun 2015

so expensive if Medicare had been allowed to negotiate prices with the Pharma industry like the VA does. Instead Pharma can charge what they like and they get it. This is why medications here cost anywhere from three times to five times what they cost in the rest of the world for the very same thing. Also, it isn't the rich people's taxes that is paying for this but the working poor.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. The program didn't go into effect until 2005. Drugs have always been more expensive here.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 06:01 AM
Jun 2015

I agree Medicare should negotiate, but that means they'll also have to refuse to pay for some drugs to make negotiations effective. The moment they do that, people will be yelling about rationing.

Interestingly, the drug management companies/insurers can negotiate prices, but are less effective and han a larger entity.

I think it's time to set rules for how, and how long, research and development costs can be recouped. Some drugs will never be cheap if we want to attract money and best researchers into developing new meds. But the situation has gotten out of control.

I'd be for government taking over the bulk of research, but that's not likely to happen anytime soon. And there are problems with that too.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
13. Actually, it should be included in Medicare and not be part D at all forcing seniors to
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jun 2015

have to pay a private insurance company to get it. With all the money insurance companies get in premiums for all the coverage Medicare doesn't cover, it could go into Medicare directly with full coverage and drugs.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. I agree. But, Part D is better than nothing. Truth is, neither Dems or Repugs did a darn
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jun 2015

thing about prescription drugs before 2005, other than provide coverage through Medicaid for the very poor.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
17. I know. I did without medication because I couldn't afford it so part D
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jun 2015

has helped me. But at what cost to the nation? I feel guilty being an enabler of Big Pharma.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
19. I don't. Problem on these type of issues, the feds aren't going to budget the upfront investment
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 03:05 PM
Jun 2015

needed to handle these things, hence Medicare Part D, Medicare Advantage, ACA, and similar initiatives go to private companies who can raise the necessary upfront capital. I wish it were different, but it's better than not doing it -- which is the only alternative if the Republicans in Congress have to come up with the money.

I think we agree on this, you just get get more ticked than me over private companies benefiting from our need for health care. I think the government could do it better, but no body wants to budget the startup cost or take on new staff. So it gets outsourced to greedy folks. We just have to keep suing them if their greed kills us.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. As one who saw too many elderly going without, or cutting pills into thirds, I doubt it.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 05:49 AM
Jun 2015

Maybe ER visits, hospital admissions, etc., haven't been reduced, but quality of life and access to drugs has been improved.

The program could be a lot better, but it's darn sure better than the elderly having to go without meds before 2005.

Improve it, don't give the fools an excuse to eliminate it.

brer cat

(24,559 posts)
10. You are spot on, Hoyt.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 06:46 AM
Jun 2015

I was one who had to take less than the prescribed dose and skip some drugs entirely to make my meds affordable. I really wonder about the ER visit and hospital admission stats, though. In my case the meds were to control my asthma: being able to afford the full doses under Medicare Part D has almost surely kept me out of the ER and hospital. Millions have asthma (or COPD), and the best meds to treat it have been very costly, so I am hardly alone in having improved health, and thus avoiding ER/hospitals.

A shout out for your last sentence: "Improve it, don't give the fools an excuse to eliminate it." AMEN.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. I hope there are more studies. I cannot believe people taking their meds for diabetes, blood
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 09:09 AM
Jun 2015

pressure, asthma as in your case, cholesterol, thyroid, blood thinners, arthritis and a lot more, doesn't keep people out of the hospital.

Something is not right. They haven't adjusted for something, people living longer, more people on Medicare, or something.

I guess the recent changes to the law, closing the "donut hole" over time, will put more in hospital. Just don't believe it.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
12. What's more important, saving money or giving seniors access to medication?
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 09:16 AM
Jun 2015

is "saving money" the key issue when it comes to healthcare? If it were possible to get a single payer healthcare system but it did not "save money", I think most DUers would still favor it.

dmosh42

(2,217 posts)
16. The whole presciption drug thing is way out of line with costs, especially when compared to ....
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jun 2015

the rest of the advanced countries.(of which we don't belong anymore!) The reason is, unlike the rest of our businesses which have to compete globally thanks to our 'free' trade bullshit programs, the pharmaceutical companies have been protected by all the corporate politicians, and especially the ones on committees dealing with the FDA and pharmacy industry. Unfortunately for us, some of our favorite Dem heroes (Kennedy, Kerry, etc.) made sure the industries were protected and the consumers were screwed royally for years.

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