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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHillary once again addresses TPP at press conference.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-holds-presser-addresses-trade-deal-after-silence-criticized-by-dem-opponents/Video at link.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... "if she feels that her issue is 'What's in the deal?'" as if to say she doesn't know what is in the deal. If she doesn't know what's in the deal, then she should be against passing something like the TPA that approves it before it can be known. If she feels that 'What's in the deal?' is good as opposed to bad or not known. then why doesn't she just come out and say what is good about it? This response of hers makes no sense from a person that expects to be our "leader".
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)For a good deal, as she stated in the video. One that's good for workers, wages, and national security.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Does she really think we're too stupid to understand her logic as another post implies some other of her comments here?
When you want to sell someone something, you shouldn't try to say that what you're buying is secret, and you don't really know if it's good or bad for them. If you want them to buy it, you need to SELL it!!! For someone who wants to be our leader, she's doing a pretty damn bad job trying to sell it to us!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Reading final draft it before being for or against it, like she said? She wants to see if it meets her criteria as a good deal.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)The final draft of the TPA has been voted on and is still being voted on NOW!!!! Passing that in effect will pass the TPP before we can read the final draft. I can't believe so many people here are willing to swallow this crap!
If she likes the TPP, then doesn't she feel that we as the American people should know what's in it before we vote on the bill that in effect passes it in advance? If not, then shouldn't she be urging congress to stop trying to pass TPA until the final draft is available for her and the rest of us to read before we look to pass it so that we can all judge whether it is a good deal or not? If she doesn't say no to the TPA, that tells me that she doesn't want us to know what's in it even if she wants it to pass. And that tells me that she's likely not going to be having an agenda that works more generally for us, if she can't be open about it, or push for visibility and transparency to validate what she wants to do.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,451 posts)Looks like she sides with Democrats and wants Obama to renegotiate.
She just messed up someone's narrative.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Others seem to gloss right over it. She specifically says Obama should meet with Pelosi and Dem caucus to address concerns.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... are dealt with? If she's concerned about them, why have it passed in advance before changes can be made that passing TPA tomorrow will in effect do? If she wants us to feel that she's working for US, and not corporate powers, she should take a stand on TPA now and say NO to it!
She's still avoiding many of the fundamental issues that others in congress like Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, Alan Grayson, Peter DeFazio, etc. want dealt with before being able to look at TPP as a bill they should vote on (and potentially amend) or not that their constituents also have had a chance to give them feedback on, when passing the TPA tomorrow the way some of the corporate serving pols want to have happen tomorrow.
I'm open to us looking at TPP later as a separate treaty bill, and if it really has some good things rolling back the nasty stuff that NAFTA and the other trade deals have done, maybe lets us have something to balance the VAT taxes, etc. that other countries use to protect their markets against us where we don't have any protections, and doesn't have the crappy ISDS court crap in it, etc. then perhaps we could look at this positively later.
cali
(114,904 posts)Make lemonade out of lemons? good lord.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)She is for it providing it meets the 3 criteria she also stated.
Kingofalldems
(38,451 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)and want this damn thing scrapped. Period.