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marmar

(77,053 posts)
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:24 AM Jun 2015

Snowden, Putin, Greece: It’s All The Same Story


Snowden, Putin, Greece: It’s All The Same Story
Posted by Raúl Ilargi Meijer at 7:09 pm


Through the last decades, as we have been getting ever more occupied trying to be what society tells us is defined as successful, we all missed out on a lot of changes in our world. Or perhaps we should be gentle to ourselves and say we’re simply slow to catch up.

Which is somewhat curious since we’ve also been getting bombarded with fast increasing amounts of what we’re told is information, so you’d think it might have become easier to keep up. It was not.

While we were busy being busy we for instance were largely oblivious to the fact the US is no longer a beneficial force in the world, and that it doesn’t spread democracy or freedom. Now you may argue to what extent that has ever been true, and you should, but the perception was arguably much closer to the truth 70 years ago, at the end of WWII, then it is today.

.....(snip).....

The Sunday Times ran a story today -which the entire world press parroted quasi verbatim- that claimed MI6 had felt compelled to call back some of its operatives from the ‘field’ because Russia and China had allegedly hacked into the encrypted files Edward Snowden allegedly carried with him to Russia (something Snowden denied on multiple occasions). Glenn Greenwald’s take down of the whole thing is – for good reasons- far better than I could provide, and it’s blistering, it leaves not a single shred of the article. Problem is, the die’s been cast, and many more people read the Times and all the media who’ve reprinted its fiction, than do read Greenwald:

.....(snip).....

Please read Greenwald’s piece. It’s excellent. Turns out the Times made it all up. At the same time, it’s just one example of something much more expansive: the entire world view of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, and that means you too, is weaved together from a smorgasbord of made-up stories, narratives concocted to make you see what someone else wants you to see.

.....(snip).....

In short, the propaganda we should be worried about is not Russia’s, it’s our own. And it comes from just about every news article we’re fed. We’re much less than six degrees removed from Orwell.

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http://www.theautomaticearth.com/2015/06/snowden-putin-greece-its-all-the-same-story/




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Snowden, Putin, Greece: It’s All The Same Story (Original Post) marmar Jun 2015 OP
Lie Witness News dominates malaise Jun 2015 #1
So true. marmar Jun 2015 #2
+1 a huge bunch! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #12
Heard the phrase on ESPN malaise Jun 2015 #14
I missed that one. It is perfect. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #15
Ignorant people shouldn't be allowed to write blogs snooper2 Jun 2015 #3
"Russia re-took Crimea without a single shot being fired." DetlefK Jun 2015 #5
Before WWII the US was isolationist and with the Cold War it turned imperial. DetlefK Jun 2015 #4
Yep... MattSh Jun 2015 #6
Everything we have been taught or believed FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #7
+1. bemildred Jun 2015 #8
24/7 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #13
Kicking AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #9
1984, here we come Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #10
Link to Greenwald's piece LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #11

marmar

(77,053 posts)
2. So true.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:28 AM
Jun 2015

I've more or less given up on network news, except for the BBC from time to time and Al-Jaazera.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
14. Heard the phrase on ESPN
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 01:42 PM
Jun 2015

thought it was perfect.

There were these stupid fans responding to made up stuff as if it were fact. We did laugh!

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. Ignorant people shouldn't be allowed to write blogs
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:30 AM
Jun 2015

LOL

quote

"It’s downright borderline criminally tragic that NATO claims it’s building up its presence in the region as a response to Russian actions. What actions? Nothing was going on until ‘we’ supported a coup in Kiev, installed a puppet government and let them wage war on their own citizens. That war killed a lot of people. And if Kiev has any say in the matter, it ain’t over by a long shot. Poroshenko and Yats still want it all back. So does NATO.

When signing a post-cold war strategic cooperation pact with Russia in 1997, Nato pledged not to station ground forces permanently in eastern Europe “in the current and foreseeable security environment”. But that environment has been transformed by Putin’s decision to invade and annex parts of Ukraine and the 1997 agreement is now seen as obsolete.

Meanwhile, Russia re-took Crimea without a single shot being fired. But that is still what the western press calls aggression. Russia doesn’t even deem to respond to ‘our’ innuendo, they feel there’s nothing to be gained from that because ‘our’ stories have been pre-cooked and pre-chewed anyway. Something that we are going to greatly regret."



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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. "Russia re-took Crimea without a single shot being fired."
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:42 AM
Jun 2015

If Crimea had wanted to stay with Ukraine, they would have started firefights with the masked, machine-gun-carrying paramilitaries that had set up checkpoints all over Crimea over night.
But they didn't.
Which is proof that Crimea wants to be with Russia.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. Before WWII the US was isolationist and with the Cold War it turned imperial.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jun 2015

Imagine Obama apologizing: "Hey, Iran, we are sorry we toppled your democracy and installed a bloodthirsty tyrant who then had to be toppled by your Mullahs."

Heads would explode.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
6. Yep...
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jun 2015

Same old BS, different day.

Fool me 477 times, shame on you. Fool me again? Shame on you again. It's so obvious, yet some never learn.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
7. Everything we have been taught or believed
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jun 2015

is a lie. We have entered the age of Truth. The Age of Aquarius. The truth is always in front of our eyes, though we choose to believe the lies because it makes life easier. But more and more people will abandon the facade of lies when they realize that their entire life has been lived inside of the Matrix. It is indeed curious to read the aggressive defense by some members. It must be difficult to maintain their vigorous defense of the State given the cognitive dissonance.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
10. 1984, here we come
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jun 2015

When Obama said "war is peace" alarm bells aught to have started ringing in my head.

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