Detectives say 3-year-old Hamilton boy shot himself with mother's gun

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Detectives say 3-year-old Hamilton boy shot himself with mother's gun
Victim identified as Marques Green
By: WCPO Staff, Evan Millward
Posted: 4:20 PM, Jun 11, 2015

HAMILTON, Ohio -- A 3-year-old boy is dead after shooting himself in the chest with his mother's gun at a Hamilton home.

It's the second time this month a child has been killed by a gunshot in the Butler County community.

Thursday's shooting was reported just before 4 p.m. on the 700 block of Gordon Smith Boulevard, according to Hamilton Police Lt. Carl Sigmon.

On Friday, police said they believe the 3-year-old took the gun from his mother’s purse and shot himself while playing with it.

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http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/butler-county/hamilton/shooting-reported-on-gordon-smith-boulevard-in-hamilton

[randys1]

1. Madness, fucking god damn madness. fucking god damn guns

[GGJohn]

2. Instead of blaming the tool,

why not blame the mother who left it where this child could access it?
She is responsible for this child's death, not the gun.

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. Speaking of tools.........

[GGJohn]

11. Speaking of idiotic responses...............

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. So sayeth the Official Spokesman Of DU's Gungeon......

[GGJohn]

16. I've been promoted?

Thanks!!! I'll wear that title proudly.
Is there a financial stipend that goes with the promotion?

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. No, but a signed 8x10 glossy of Wayne LaPierre is a possibility .

You'll be the envy of the 2A faction.

[GGJohn]

19. Well, the pic would make a good starter paper for my fireplace.

[Ghost in the Machine]

29. I guess that you can call me a tool too, because that was my first thought too. Dumbass parents

leaving loaded weapons out where a child can get their hands on them in the first place. It is TRAGIC that a child is dead and a mother will have to live with that for the rest of her life, but it was her actions that led to this tragic event happening. A gun is an inanimate object, it can't throw itself into someones had and discharge itself.

I grew up around guns. I was taught from a VERY young age to never touch one without a grown-up around because they were NOT TOYS and could hurt or kill someone very easily. My sisters were taught the same thing. None of us ever shot ourselves, or anyone else, accidentally. My father used to take us out to the shooting range so we could see how dangerous they were.

My own kids grew up around guns. They were taught the same way I was taught. Guns are NOT TOYS and you don't touch them without me being present. Mine were kept locked up, too. Gun owners who have children NEED to TEACH THEM about the dangers of guns from a very young age. They also need to teach them SAFETY and to RESPECT guns, just like you teach them the proper safety and respect for a bicycle, dirt bike or go-cart. My kids were riding a Yamaha P/W 50 dirt bike before they were riding a bicycle. They were also taught to RESPECT the power, and danger, of the dirt bike because the first time you get too comfortable and lose that respect for what it is is when you're going to get hurt or hurt someone else. That goes for grown-ups too. I still respect the power and danger of driving my vehicle because it can quickly become a deadly weapon also.

Peace,

Ghost

[PowerToThePeople]

3. Ban all guns!! n/t

[GGJohn]

4. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Never. going. to. happen.

[randys1]

5. No, just enforce the 2nd amendment and move them all, including police guns, to well regualted

militias.

[PowerToThePeople]

7. I can agree to this. National guard comes to mind. n/t

[hack89]

8. Your position goes against the Democratic Party platform

Which says the 2A protects an individual right.

[GGJohn]

9. Second Amendment.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[awoke_in_2003]

20. We can bold some other words in that...

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[GGJohn]

24. Well regulated Militia had a whole different meaning when the BoR was written.

There are reams of historical fact written about this.

[CreekDog]

6. There are some here that argue against even requirements to lock them up

so you know...

[Jefferson23]

12. These stories horrify me. In her purse? n/t

[GGJohn]

14. Yeah, that is so irresponsible to leave a deadly weapon

where her child can access it, she should've secured it in a safe or lock box when not in her possession.

[Sancho]

15. People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

[GGJohn]

18. By the numbers.

1. NO. I shouldn't be required to have a license to exercise a Constitutional right.

2. NO. Background checks ok, mental health check NO. Suppose the dr. assigned to examine you is biased against firearms?

3. NO. Again, I shouldn't have to have a license to exercise a Constitutional right.

4. NO. Again, I shouldn't have to have a license to exercise a Constitutional right.

5. On the fence on that one, if it was required, the NRA would make a windfall providing that insurance.

6. NO. Again, I shouldn't have to have a license to exercise a Constitutional right.

7. NO. Again, I shouldn't have to have a license to exercise a Constitutional right.

8. NO. Again, I shouldn't have to have a license to exercise a Constitutional right. It's already against the law to be in possession of a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

9. NO. Again, I shouldn't have to have a license to exercise a Constitutional right.

10. NO. Again, I shouldn't have to have a license to exercise a Constitutional right.

[Sancho]

21. No problem, the 3 year old obviously exercised the right to possess a gun...

[GGJohn]

23. No, by law, 3 yo can't possess firearms,

the mother is responsible for the death of child, not the 2A, not the firearm, it was the negligence of the mother to leave a firearm where the child could access it.

[Sancho]

28. It's a waste of time to argue with gun nuts.

All your "rights" have been discussed and debated before.

The bottom line is that carry permits are legal in case you didn't notice. Also, the gun crazy supreme court recently upheld a requirement to have trigger locks on guns at home. There are limits to your "rights".

In other words, a "license" (as stated in the post) is just a version of a permit and simply a perfectly legal too.

You apparently think its ok for dangerous people, unstable people, children, or criminals to possess and use guns.

[onehandle]

22. Second Amendment Remedies!

All you libruls need to memorize 'Librul Enclave vs Reel 'merican'

Guns for our toddlers!
Gunz for our dogs!
Guns for our Zimmermans!

All are freedom with gunz!

[Electric Monk]

25. If/when this gets locked in GD, please feel free to continue in the GCRA Group

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12629066

[babylonsister]

26. How does a three year old pick up a gun and point it

at his chest and pull the trigger? Seriously, I know nothing about guns except a lot of them are heavy and pulling the trigger could take strength.

I ask because a friend of mine, a card-carrying NRA member, thinks some people are killing their own kids and blaming it on accidents.

I have no idea, just throwing it out there.

[GGJohn]

30. Because a 3 yo's fingers aren't strong enough to pull a trigger,

usually they'll use their thumbs with the muzzle pointed at their chest

This tragedy should have never happened, the mother was negligent for leaving her weapon where this child could access it.
The mother should be charged with, at the least, negligent homicide.

[DashOneBravo]

27. That's horrible

Prosecute the person who left it unsecured.

[TexasTowelie]

31. Locking thread.

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