As far as I can tell, almost everyone I know supports Bernie and Elizabeth

[reddread]

there are some exceptions, staunch Republicans and so forth.

But here is my SWEEPING GENERALIZATION about ALL of these Bernie supporters and Elizabeth Warren admirers-

EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM supports women's rights and the fundmental reproductive freedom concerns inherent to that.
And so many are LGBTQ that I dont think for a second that any are fooled by the windblown conversion
of a regular participant in the circle known as the Fellowship(*)

marriage rights may have faced considerable opposition over the last few decades, but that should not have stopped
anyone of conscience from supporting them.
Dont ask dont tell, DOMA (**), pandering to religious bigotry? (***)

To see these issues cited as reasons LONG time supporters back HRC,
or as deflections for valid criticism from Democratic voters?

how hollow that rings.
anyone who proclaims that another poster is indifferent to the lives
and well being of women here, or around the world
because they oppose HRC's actual policies and historical record?
should be much more than ashamed.
That is some serious dirt to play in.
a corrolary to hate speech, really, and every bit disingenuous.
shame on them.

* http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics

** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act#Enactment_and_role_of_Bill_Clinton

*** http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/hillary-clintons-gay-marriage-problem/372717/

[MohRokTah]

1. Almost everybody I know supports Hillary Clinton.

There are some exceptions, staunch Republicans and so forth.

But not a single person I know in the real world supports Bernie.

Not one.

[RobertEarl]

16. First you have to talk to people

.... besides republicans.

And of course if you poll them with a push poll people will give you the answers you seek.

IOW, you should maybe broaden your acquaintances?

[MohRokTah]

30. .

[orpupilofnature57]

36. Well ?

[MohRokTah]

39. I know two Republicans.

They are the only two people I know who do not support Hillary Clinton.

So stop trying the internet psychology. You are not good at it.

[orpupilofnature57]

46. I got you to tell the truth, Two that's all ?

[MohRokTah]

48. I only know those two because I need t work with them.

As soon as I find out a person is a Republican I typically insure they are never a part of my life.

Life is too short to put up with the assholes.

[orpupilofnature57]

49. Agreed .

[sabrina 1]

29. I truthfully don't know anyone who supports her. I know some who are indifferent, saying 'it's the

same old system, same politicians, nothing changes'. A lot of apathy when you ask about Hillary.

But when you talk about Sanders or Warrent, people light up, but worry that they won't have a chance. I just tell them it's up to them, if they vote for him, he will have a chance.

[daleanime]

52. +1

Although I wouldn't say indifferent, more like despondent. Why brother when their desires don't matter.

[Adrahil]

2. And yet Bernie isn't making many waves in the polls.

At least not yet.

Anecdotal evidence is typically useless.

Virtually everyone i know supports Hillary.

[reddread]

3. well we have quite different facebook feeds I suppose

that is hardly the substance of my post, just the title.

[Adrahil]

7. I'm more of a realist than an ideologue, I guess. n/t

[Marrah_G]

4. Bernie has a huge following on social media and it's growing every day

I think he also speaks to the younger generations in a way that Sen. Clinton does not.

[Adrahil]

6. We shall see.

I personally think Bernie is the Ron Paul, of the Democratic Party, in that he will have very loud and enthusiastic supporters, but will not have much of an impact at the polls.

Bernie is a great guy, and a great Senator.

He is not a great candidate, whether anyone likes it or not, and I think he will not win a single primary.

[Marrah_G]

8. Yes, we shall see

[Godhumor]

11. I compare him more to Kucinich

Small group of very loyal backers but no overwhelming general support.

[RobertEarl]

17. heh

In 2007, anyone reading DU could see Hillary would not win the primary. And very few even knew who Obama was.

See, DU is the meat and potatoes of the activist arm of the Democratic Party, and the most recent DU poll has Bernie with a fairly commanding lead of 90% of DUers.

Something to consider, eh?

[Godhumor]

20. In 2007, you could argue the majority of DUers who participated in DU polls backed Kucinich

Same in 2003. That should tell you exactly how much I think DUer support of Frank translates to the real world.

[reddread]

21. one slight problem with the rear view mirror

things have gotten worse, not stayed the same.
and the voters know it.

[zappaman]

37. Things are worse than what Bush/Cheney did to this country

By the time they left office?
You really believe things are worse now than in 2008?

[Alittleliberal]

40. I think

Bush knocked over the Monopoly board. Obama is scrambling to put the pieces back together. Most of us are ready for a new game.

[DCBob]

54. Bush broke the rules of the game.

Obama is fixing that.

[RobertEarl]

23. It speaks to Hillary support

Which, on DU, after a decade of Hillary campaigns, equals 10% support.

DU is a good place to foretell the political future. People here, for the most part, have their ears to the ground and can read the writing on the wall.

[NYC Liberal]

42. "And very few even knew who Obama was"

In 2007?

This time in 2007, Obama was polling just shy of 30%. If you didn't know who Obama was by May 2007, you were not even casually following the news.

DU is the meat and potatoes of the activist arm of the Democratic Party

DU is nowhere near representative of the Democratic Party. Not by a long shot. Most people here supported Edwards or Kucinich. Hell, there was a very large contingent here who insisted that Kucinich could and would successfully challenge Obama for the nomination in 2012. (Kucinich never ran and in fact lost his own primary; Obama won every single Democratic presidential primary.)

[orpupilofnature57]

47. Gore had them making Tidal waves in 1999 .

[Recursion]

5. Is your name Pauline Kael? (nt)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Nobody is going to get that reference./NT

[Cha]

45. Oh yeah, "nobody I know voted for Nixon..".. I read it the other day on DU.

[lamp_shade]

9. Hmmm. Almost everyone I know supports Hillary.

[imnew]

22. For real?

We have a lot! of democrats at my work place, a whole lot living in a blue state.

Very few support Hillary over Bernie.

They don't hate her but say they would rather see someone else win the primary.

That's why I never trust polls. Where is it where almost everyone you know supports Hillary?

[lamp_shade]

25. Yes... for real.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. Same here. Why should those of us who can appreciate true Progressives like Bernie and Elizabeth be shamed by those who have fallen for Hillary's schtick.

[NuclearDem]

10. Ah, the "everyone I know" methodology of polling.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. I suppor Bernie, Liz can keep her mitts away from high office, thanks. She was a Reagan/Bush

Republican who remained in that racist and homophobic Party through Reagan's vicious neglect of the growing AIDS crisis, she and her Party were silent as 30,000 Americans died, Liz paused only to vote for that shitty policy to continue. When asked to explain her positions from that time, she evades the brutality of her views by chirping that she was a Republican because she like their ideas about 'the markets'. So she was in a racist, homophobic anti choice Party of drug warriors because their fiscal policy served her own 1% class. And she sure made herself rich doing consultancy work for Big Corporations. But those fiscal policies which served her gutted the American middle class and destroyed Unions.

Warren was in the Republican Party when they had Pat Buchanan as keynote, bellowing about militant homosexuals and radical feminists. Warren was in that nasty Party when Hillary was standing with the LGBT community, being attacked by Republicans for supporting us. I'm not going to forget that to please some straight white person such as yourself.
Warren was a Reagan/Bush Republican when Bernie Sanders was founding the Progressive Caucus in the House. They are not the same person and they do not have the same history.
Warren has never bothered to address her past actions, nor to make amends for them, nor offer even one word of regret, so far she just says 'I got really rich so I did not care at all!!!!'

[djean111]

13. And yet Patrick Murphy (Florida) is being pushed here, and he was a Republican until

2011, when he switched so he could run against Allen West, and now he wants Rubio's seat. Rich family, and that race went through more money than any other race that year. But Murphy is being touted as a liberal, and his prior wishes to cut Social Security are being scrubbed. Love the consistency.

[MisterP]

14. that's why I always scratch my head when people say the big rift is betwen social liberals

and economic progressives: while there's certainly a trend to whitewashing *candidates* who burn down the economy for the insurance money, by saying "oh, just vote for the fact that they don't believe gays cause hurricanes," it's more an outcome of our pathological elections than a real confusion by voters

I mean, most of the economically-conservative Dems are absolutely not socially liberal, and it bespeaks Bachmann-level disconnection from reality to keep repeating that talking point; how pro-mentally ill is Emanuel, and how pro-peace is Clinton, and how is Larry Summers a feminist of any stripe? (and on the flipside, several NY liberals went out of their way to say that Israel had gone too soft on Lebanon and Gaza)

[reddread]

15. I am sorry

that yours is not the OP.
far more salient and serious.
all I wanted to get across was that despite the silly faux reasons
given to scare voters and justify the lesser evil,
the overwhelming support for bernie and Warren
comes from people who are truly pro choice and pro equality.
but you really made the fundamental differences crystal clear.
thanks!

[MisterP]

18. *blushes* but this is all stuff anyone with a quarter of poli sci can deduce

presumably 90% of voters listening to the corrupt partisan rhetors know this too: the point is to make it all *matter*

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. The first thing they teach you in Poli Science Research is to operationalize your terms...

The first thing they teach you in Political Science Research is to operationalize your terms, in the absence of which meaningful conversation is impossible.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. I post on a sports board frequently

There are about two dozen regulars. About eighteen are white, four are black, and two are Latino. From what I can divine from the politically oriented threads there are six Democrats: the four black guys and two white guys. The rest are right wing and further right wing.

Inferences from small groups can only tell you so much... If I made inferences from that board to the larger population I would think we were doomed.


Oh, I forgot there's a African American woman who posts there...She's a huge HRC fan...

[m-lekktor]

26. Anecdotally, Hillary is majorly popular with my gay facebook friends.

I only have one other gay friend who, like me , supports Sanders that i am aware of. All other Sanders supporter friends I am pretty sure are heterosexual. I do believe the LGBT community will be a big force in Hillary's campaign! Also, my really far left friends don't like either Sanders or Hillary or anybody who would run as a Democrat. I get lots of anti Bernie posts coming through my facebook newsfeed from the far left.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. I am cautious of anecdotal evidence

Folks will for the most part associate with folks whose interests are largely identical...The sports board I alluded to I go there to talk sports...I largely ignore the political threads but when someone makes a homophobic or racist remark I subtly call them out.

My gf and I have lots of gay friends... We attended a same sex wedding at Yamashiro Hollywood...She's a Filipina so most of her friends are...Most of her friends are Hillary Democrats, a few are Republican. I can't wrap my head around that but I can't wrap my head around anybody voting Republican.

[orpupilofnature57]

33. Gay people who are aware know who was on their side 17 yrs ago .

[m-lekktor]

44. yup. the high information non single issue LGBTers

who are on the left and not loyal follower DEM party hacks.

[Thinkingabout]

28. Those who do the polls sure find more Hillary supporters than Bernie supporters.

[orpupilofnature57]

32. It's their job to , who's being asked, are the questions about

probability or integrity ?

[Thinkingabout]

34. So far they are getting more Hillary supporters than Bernie supporters,just saying

[orpupilofnature57]

31. Because they support 99%, and in their business that's less than

1% .

[MaggieD]

35. Everyone I know supports HRC

And that includes a lot of LGBT people as well. Not that it means much. It's all anecdotal.

[el_bryanto]

38. the people i know support a wide range of candidates - except that one

Yes that one candidate everybody hates - I can't tell you how many times i've heard that candidate torn down - it seems like nothing that candidate does makes any sense at all.

Bryant

[OilemFirchen]

43. Oh my, yes!

[gollygee]

50. I've mainly seen support for HRC

Here in Michigan.

[orpupilofnature57]

51. MSM is the reason for that, which should be a clue .

[redstateblues]

55. it's like the story about the New York socialite

Who said she couldn't believe Nixon won because everybody she knew voted for McGovern

[workinclasszero]

56. Every democrat I know backs Hillary 1000%!

Of course I'm a non college educated working class stiff.

Never did get that ivory tower invite, huge salary, real health insurance and maxed out 401k.

I fought and scraped my whole life just to keep my head above water. It takes a fighter to survive in this republican randian paradise we exist in today.

Say what you will about Hillary Clinton, but by God that woman is a damn fighter and she doesn't back down against all the shit storm of filthy lies the republicans throw at her 24/7/365!

Oh and lets not forget our "friends" the ivory tower left, who use the same republican lies against her, shamefully. SMH

Working class democrats are with Hillary and we will see her in the freaking white house again!

The Bernie Underground is a joke, see you all in the primaries!

[fredamae]

57. I have Zero reasons

for "inflating" what I am personally hearing/seeing in my local area/family & close friends...We are All behind Sanders.

I'm certain others have different experiences...naturally.
So, one individuals experiences do not reflect the "whole".

It's a long, long, long journey to the primary election (in politics it's an Eternity) so Anything and Anybody can still happen.

Personally, and I only speak for myself: I am a Bernie Supporter who like HRC and Also wants to hear Everything from All of the candidates so I can make the Best decision next year.
I say, bring on the Dem Candidates.....every last one of them. It has been a Long damned time since we have had Real choice.
For those who are not posing as a Dem supporter...It saddens me to see the "snarking" between Sanders VS HRC crowd.
Open minds, imo, make the best and most informed decisions.

But I don't, I'm sure...reflect everyone's opinion about that

[JEB]

58. I know a wide range of people.

People with lots of mostly inherited money tend to vote Republican and a few continue out of "family tradition" still vote Republican though they all bitch about the candidates. Most of the people I consider friends are supporting Sanders and they tend to be involved and do a lot of reading and have specific policy concerns. The people supporting Hillary tend to be more cautious and less concerned with policy and more concerned with "beating the Republicans" than specific policies. Also many Hillary supporters have a nostalgia for the go-go Clinton years.

[leeroysphitz]

59. They would be fools NOT to support Bernie & Elizabeth.

and f@ck the haters tho...