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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSupporting TPP is written into the latest (2012) Democratic Party Platform:
http://www.democrats.org/party-platform
Just in case you were wondering.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Although considering recent events it's a wonder it isn't part of the Republican platform rather than the Democrats.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Yeah back in the good ol' days.
cali
(114,904 posts)the National Committee of that party, functions as an arm of the WH. That information is anything but super secret, hoyt. You just don't know such basic info.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Yes I know that might come as a shock.
cali
(114,904 posts)Passing it could harm our chances of holding on to the WH.
Why do you think that most dems running for office in 2016 are vocal in their opposition to the TPP? Hmm. Could it be that they believe the electorate will be even more strongly opposed to it in 2016 than it currently is?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And negotiating international treaties is a presidential duty per Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the Constitution.
cali
(114,904 posts)That's nicer than saying she's deliberately obfuscating to hide her position because she's afraid it will be unpopular with the voters she hopes to dupe.
In the real world, not the uc/lz fantasy world, there are two announced candidates running in the Democratic Primary. One is strongly opposed, not to mention that in another 10 days, another candidate will be in and he's already made his strong opposition known.
And treaties are also a duty of the U.S. Senate per the Constitution, lz. That's Article 2, section 2.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)But you knew that.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Response to ucrdem (Reply #28)
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Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)These little sophistries get tiresome.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)A lot of pundits blamed delegates cheering on Pat Buchannan's openly racist diatribe at the RNC for Dole's loss that year. Cheering that speech and the delegate's platform rebellion would seem, in 20-20 hindsight, to indicate the Teabagger rebellion against Party leadership was already in full force.
An exception to the rule. That certainly did not happen to Obama.
cali
(114,904 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)He was never President. But it was the only time I know of a Party rejecting their own Presidential nominees input on the platform. Just being the nominee is generally enough to be the boss.
tridim
(45,358 posts)We will trash honest Democrats and fight our own party's efforts to craft a fair trade agreement, and kick the can down the road so a future Republican administration can do it instead without any regard for survival of the middle class.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)WHAT ARE THEY HIDING??!!!111
neverforget
(9,436 posts)Those middle class hero's like Mitch McConnell love this deal:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/17/mitch-mcconnell-tpp_n_7300842.html
tridim
(45,358 posts)As it is now.
cali
(114,904 posts)as either National Committee is when there is either a Dem or Repub in the WH. And written some time ago- as indicated by the number of countries they say are in the TPP. They say 8. There are 11 other countries aside from the U.S. in the TPP
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P.S. changed my original post to reflect the above.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)But feel free to keep at it.
cali
(114,904 posts)for the majority of DUers- that you, lz, are underwhelmed by facts and place your faith in falsehoods.
go for it, ucr/lz
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)It's all the rage I'm told.
cali
(114,904 posts)my post wasn't word salad. (a bit clunky, but not close to being word salad)
As you seem to have a reading comprehension problem, let me rephrase:
It is a well known fact that the National Committee of the party holding the White House, functions as a political arm of the White House. That's not a very complicated concept is it? You should be able to grasp it.
The platform reflects Obama's priorities. Duh.
Happy to help you out. And I kept the language simple just for you; no big words to confuse you. Wasn't that thoughtful of me, my once known by another name here, friend?
kisses flung in your general direction
Marr
(20,317 posts)I'm sure you can get those filthy liberals kicked out.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)so not to worry.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Maybe they can share with us the benefits we're all in the dark about.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)from the current party platform:
President Obama and the Democratic Party know that America has the best workers and businesses in the world. If the playing field is level, Americans will be able to compete against every other country on Earth. Over the last four years, we have made historic progress toward the goal of doubling our exports by 2015. We have taken steps to open new markets to American products, while ensuring that other countries play by the same rules. President Obama signed into law new trade agreements with South Korea, Colombia, and Panama that will support tens of thousands of private-sector jobs, but not before he strengthened these agreements on behalf of American workers and businesses. We remain committed to finding more markets for American-made goodsincluding using the Trans-Pacific Partnership between the United States and eight countries in the Asia-Pacific, one of the most dynamic regions in the worldwhile ensuring that workers' rights and environmental standards are upheld, and fighting against unfair trade practices. We expanded and reformed assistance for trade-affected workers, and we demanded renewal of that help alongside new trade agreements.
Both publicly and privately, the President has made clear to the Chinese government that it needs to take steps to appreciate its currency so that America is competing on a level playing field. This administration has doubled the rate of trade cases brought against China by the last administration, and created a new government-wide Interagency Trade Enforcement Center. The President is committed to continuing to fight unfair trade practices that disadvantage American producers and workers, including illegal subsidies, non-tariff barriers, and abuse of worker rights or environmental standards.
http://www.democrats.org/party-platform
Hope that helps!
cali
(114,904 posts)Thanks for posting that so everyone here can see those transparent lies. Much appreciated, lz.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)What party did you say you were in again?
JEB
(4,748 posts)It is a bad plank...mandating support of an unknown.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Did you read the second paragraph?
progressoid
(49,977 posts)But China isn't included in TPP. So, it's pretty specifically meaningless.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)We would be talking about "Imperial Preference" which was the trade regime within the British Empire. It accidentally industrialized Canada by way of American manufactures setting up factories in Canada so they could reach the British mainland market without paying the tariffs imposed on US manufactured goods.
There is rarely any advantage to not being the member of a club.
If the US leaves itself in the cold on this and other trade agreements, US exports will become less competitive than those of our competitors and like the Imperial Preference days US manufactures will be incentivized to move production to more tariff advantageous countries. And guess what, unlike back then some of those countries already have free trade agreements with the US.
But don't let that stop you from smugly declaring victory outside the last paper plate factory in America.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Within the British Empire there was a preferential tariff regime, manufacturing for the British market in the US didn't make sense when Canada was right there. We will be in the same place all over again, Canada and Mexico will be in the club and we won't be - and oh yeah, NAFTA!
How exactly do you see that playing out differently? How is that beneficial?
JEB
(4,748 posts)Bad plank.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)kisses and
JEB
(4,748 posts)I ain't buying it.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Please be specific.
cali
(114,904 posts)important than personality politics?
(Yes, I know you didn't ask me, but this is a discussion board and anyone can respond to anything posted)
The body of evidence that has now been amassed that demonstrates that the tpp is deeply flawed, both in process and content, is decisive.
1) The late draft leaked chapters on I/P, Environment and Investment. Analysis of those chapters by experts in the respective fields.
2) TPA and analysis of that document
3) History of failure on the part of the Obama admin to enforce labor and environmental standards in existing agreements.
4) Comments of Senators and Reps who have read the tpp and find it flawed- though they can't, under penalty of law, reveal specifics due to the unprecedented secrecy shrouding it.
5) Comments of an adviser to the USTR who has read it.
6) Comments of Professor Sean Flynn, I/P and trade expert who has met with USTR negotiators
7) The history of ballooning trade deficits incurred by FTAs
8) That the vast majority (over 80%) of advisors to the USTR on the TPP, were corporate CEOs and groups and individuals representing corporate interests.
9) That virtually all unions, public interest groups and environmental organiztions oppose it
10) That 151+ dem reps oppose it.
I could go on, but that should be more than enough
JEB
(4,748 posts)I owe him blind allegiance. I do not trust the tired pitches used to sell these crippling trade agreements. We bought into this before and lost big time. Supporting TPP is a great way for Democrats to shoot themselves and our party in the foot.
progressoid
(49,977 posts)They've boiled down all 2800 pages to a few paragraphs! That sure is helpful!
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Of course it rarely works out that way.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)when it's blatantly written into the platform like that.
The TPP is a fucking stupid idea, but to act like it was super duper secret and came out of nowhere is just as fucking stupid.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)break. Please call or post back after 1:45 EDT."
Hoyt-Ucrdem
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Autumn
(45,049 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)we have to support it.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)If this is part of the Democratic Party Platform...... Just askin?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)They should take that out.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)the Democratic party is neo-liberal, and not the saviors of the 99%.
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)I didn't know that.