The Front Pages~~This is a Big Fucking Deal

[JNelson6563]

[dixiegrrrrl]

1. Beautiful collection of papers.

Thanks!

[sarcasmo]

2. 5-9-2012, a great day in American history.

[myrna minx]

3. What a monumental day. Thank you Mr President.

[JayhawkSD]

4. Well, it's good news.

But, "A big fucking deal?" Please.

We are fighting, and losing, wars. We are in an economy that is NOT recovering for the working man and woman, so there are STILL far too many unemployed and underemployed. The share of the work force participating as at an abysmal low number. Congress is dysfunctional. Economic inequality is appalling.

"Social issues" are Republican territory. It is Republicans who want to splinter this country with issues like abortion and gay marriage.

Accept that Obama has taken the high ground, but lets not be Republican and ignore things that really are a big deal in order to claim that we have the high ground on moral issues. We do not beat Republicans by becoming their mirror images.

[JNelson6563]

6. Civil rights are a big fucking deal.

And guess what. The President is hardly ignoring the other really big deal issues either.

Julie

[malaise]

8. +1,000

[rapturedbyrobots]

29. He's not talking civil RIGHTS

He very carefully stated he thinks same sex couples SHOULD BE ABLE TO get married. Which as a lawyer he knows is entirely different than saying the have a RIGHT TO get married.

If you listen to the rest of the interview, he very clearly explains that he supports the right of individual states to decide this issue. So, he simultaneously pays lip service to marriage equality and validates Ammendment One. Way to triangulate!

[JNelson6563]

36. He made it clear he's not going to

ram a federal mandate down the states' throats but he's set the tone on the national level. This will go a long way in influencing progress in regard to states laws.

He can't come out and declare something the law of the land and thankfully, unlike some, he is cognizant of this.

Julie

[irisblue]

7. jayhawk, it is a big big deal

democrats should never never give any social issues over to republicans. social issues are caring for our fellow citizens and our fellow humans, those are the values of, the ordinary, those caring values of life and those ARE democratic values and the should be the values of democratic underground. please reconsider your post. this president and party has proven an ability to multitask in some pretty serious things.

[Robb]

11. It's your right, of course, to try to minimize the importance of civil rights.

[rapturedbyrobots]

30. Obama said nothing about RIGHTS

Don't make stuff up. He very carefully stated he thinks same sex couples SHOULD BE ABLE TO get married. Which as a lawyer he knows is entirely different than saying the have a RIGHT TO get married.

If you listen to the rest of the interview, he very clearly explains that he supports the right of individual states to decide this issue. So, he simultaneously pays lip service to marriage equality and validates Ammendment One. Way to triangulate!

[a la izquierda]

23. Excuse me, but this is a big fucking deal to me.

My mother and my uncle are both gay. I wish like hell they could get married, because it would make so many things easier for them.

When I woke up Wednesday morning, and heard about North Carolina, I felt like I got punched. Again. One more vote for hate against people who mean the world to me. I felt like a 12 year old kid again, whose mom was called a 'dyke' by the neighborhood bully. That day, my 12 year old self was disgusted that someone would disrespect my mother (the bully won't forget that day, either).

So yeah, it's kind of a big fucking deal. Ignoring the rights of a significant portion of the population is wrong, hateful, and bigoted. It seems as though the President is able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

[Neoma]

33. "My mother and my uncle are both gay. I wish like hell they could get married,"

I was going to say to add, ("not to each other.&quot But then I took into account that they're gay, so ignore me.

[a la izquierda]

39. Hah! I should've worded it a little differently

[JNelson6563]

37. +1

[awoke_in_2003]

46. as others have said...

civil rights are a big fucking deal- they are the most important things our country has. Just ask those civil rights movement people who were there during the 60's

[VWolf]

5. Gotta love the Seattle Times!

"Divisive issue could help, hurt re-election effort"

Way to hedge your bets! I should get paid to write their headlines - must be the easiest job in the world.

[cali]

12. I gotta laugh at the Burlington Free Press

[JNelson6563]

17. I got a kick out of that!

Go Vermont!

[zzaapp]

9. 'Bout time

[brooklynite]

10. I'm not so much concerned with the Front Pages as the Editorial Pages

I don't think most people missed the fact that this happened; it's what opinons they here about it that are critical.

[JNelson6563]

19. Good, let them write!

Look at how helpful a certain editorial by a certain GOP candidate is proving to be.

Julie--who can't wait to write counter-ltte's

[markpkessinger]

13. It is a big deal, but the "evolution" is not quite complete yet . . .

The President still needs to "evolve" away from the notion that this can be left up to the individual states to decide. Civil rights should never be subject to majority whim. And 32 states have passed constitutional amendments banning same sex marriage.

[lame54]

14. Way to go Biden

[Zorra]

15. OK. I'm in. A huge line in the sand has been drawn.

But again, I fully expect to receive the beer and travel money I am due after we win this thing.

Obama-Biden 2012

[George A]

16. The Front Pages~~This is a Big Fucking Deal

Good job!

[MadrasT]

18. This brings tears to my eyes.

Amazing to see all those together.

Now let's get keep the pressure on to make it a Federal Civil Rights issue and not leave it up to the states.

[SidDithers]

20. Kick and fucking rec...nt

Sid

[Lint Head]

21. My President Barack Obama is so F#@King smart!

R-Money continues to be nothing but an afterthought in the news.

I think the legalization of medical marijuana will be next on the list.

[Lost-in-FL]

32. I also think marijuana legislation will be next too. nt

[Lost-in-FL]

22. I am happy about the news, however...

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(and please don't come down on me hard for expresing my truth) I am saddened somehow because this was several decades long overdue. Can't explain it because I am not good with words. All I know is... and IMHO believe that... it is shameful that common sense civil rights decisions are withhold for mere votes. I am trying to be respectful here but IMO this should not be considered a win for civil rights maybe because to my LGBT friends, the freedoms that I enjoy today should also be the same they should enjoy as both human beings and tax paying citizens.

Time for me to run and...

[ag_dude]

27. Point taken

But I'm choosing to look forward to a brighter future rather than lamenting a past that cannot be changed.

[Lost-in-FL]

31. Trust me, I am not lamenting this

I feel ashamed (which is different) when I see those headlines belonging to the 80's in the year 2012. To me, basic human rights are a "fucking big common sense issue", just like affordable healthcare is and the pursuit of happiness in anyway we like but without putting others at a disadvantage. I don't believe in marriage, but I do believe in the "becoming" of two people committing to each other any way they want... even by marrying each other. You can't simply regulate love.

I always though that it is shameful to play politics with the life of others, but then we might have finally paid a big price and just finally are moving on. Democrats should not feel vindicated with the news but use this opportunity to look at themselves in a mirror and make a choice of running for politics or running with the goal of obtaining a better future. I am very happy we are no longer compromising with the republicans (compromising=abstaining from taking views contrary to that of the republican platform) in some issues. That is exactly why I am happy today.

[MrModerate]

45. This comes under the heading of "better late than never" . . . n/t

[October]

49. Women getting the vote. Civil rights. it's all taken too long. We evolve much too slowly some of us.

Understand.

[Kath1]

62. Absolutely agree!

Civil rights, women getting the right to vote - the list goes on and on. I can't believe we are still having these debates over contraception and abortion in 2012. Abortion will always be around - better safe and legal than unsafe and illegal! Right wingers need to just get over it. Now they are all worked up over marriage equality. This really is a very backward country in so many ways.

[Scurrilous]

24. K & R

[jillan]

25. Please thank VP Biden...

I'm really trying to get some sigs here:

http://www.change.org/petitions/vice-president-joseph-biden-thank-him

[VenusRising]

26. So good to see in print.

Thank you, Mr. President.

[TeeYiYi]

28. Wow...

Thank you for this, Julie. It took a minute to load on my phone but it was well worth the wait. Seeing those headlines all in one place, really brings it home.

This IS a Big Fucking Deal! Thanks again. ...k+r

TYY

[JNelson6563]

35. Glad it was worth it!

The compilation really brings it home, I thought.

Julie

[girl gone mad]

34. Good for him..

and good for the activists who held his feet to the fire by withholding their contributions.

It becomes more difficult for politicians to run on a platform of reversing civil rights once they become established so I hope this move will hasten progress on equal marriage rights.

[freshwest]

38. Beautiful OP. It's TEOTWAWKI for the Tea Party, too.

[Kath1]

40. Yes it Is!

Julie, I am shocked by your language! Yes, this is a big fucking deal and another reason why I can't fucking wait to vote this President in for his second term. Thanks for the headlines!

[JNelson6563]

41. It's going to be a great election year ahead!

[Kath1]

43. I'm Feeling Better About It All The Time!

News like this just makes me more excited about voting this year!

[Warpy]

42. It's on the front page of quite a few foreign papers, too

I just checked over at Newseum.

The right wing asswipe fishwrap parrot cage liner in this town had a headline giving it a context of "EEK WE HAVE TO FIGHT THIS NOW OR THE WORLD WILL END!"

[MrModerate]

44. Can you say "fortune favors the brave"? Can you say "careful political calculation"? . . .

Can you see how both can be true at the same time?

[awoke_in_2003]

47. K&R. nt

[October]

48. Can I share an ugly email from a (former) friend, who happens to be GAY... so sad... and I'm furious

ME: Then vote for Romney, who bullies dogs and gay students -- and likes to fire people.

FRIEND: AND STATES CLEARLY THAT HE'S AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE. HE DOESN'T TRY TO USE ME AND DOESN'T TRY TO PLAY GAMES WITH AN ISSUE THAT'S TOO IMPORTANT TO ME. I'D RATHER VOTE FOR A GUY WHO SAYS WHAT HE MEANS AND DOESN'T TRY TO PLAY GAMES AND I PLAN TO VOTE FOR HIM AND WORK ON HIS CAMPAIGN. GLADLY. I WON'T GET SAME SEX FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED GAY MARRIAGE FROM A COWARD ANYWAY SO WHY NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO IS CLEAR ON THE ISSUE AND NOT USING GAYS TO ADVANCE HIS OWN FAILED PRESIDENCY? I HATED HIM BEFORE. I LOATHE HIM NOW. AND ANY GAY WHO THINKS HE'S "ON THIER SIDE" IS AN IDIOT.AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO WRITE ABOUT "DOGS AND GAYS" I'D LIKE TO WRITE ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT MAKE NOBAMA A HORRIBLE PERSON BUT WON'T SPEND MY TIME ON HORSE SHIT.
GO ROMNEY!

ME: First time a sitting president spoke out in support of gay marriage. It IS meaningful. It IS historic.

FRIEND: ACCEPTING CRUMBS FROM A COWARD IS NOT MEANINGFUL OR HISTORIC. IT'S CRAPPY POLITICS AS USUAL AND HE NEEDS TO GO. MAYBE HE CAN GO WORK FOR THE PASTOR HE THREW UNDER THE BUS WHEN HE'S DEFEATED. THAT WOULD WORK FOR ME AS LONG AS IT'S IN KENYA, HIS HOMELAND. NOBAMA IS A TRUE NARCISSIST AND ONLY DOES WHAT WILL HELP HIM GET ELECTED. WE ALREADY HAD HIM IN OFFICE TOO LONG. TIME TO GO. REALLY.

ME: The president does not WRITE the laws. He is not on the supreme court. He is not a dictator. But it is powerful when he supports issues and publicly states his opinions.

YOU CAN BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT ABOUT HIM. HE PUBLICALLY SAID HE WAS EVOLVING!!!! HE'S FULL OF SHIT!!!!! HE'S THE WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY AND I HOPE HE GOES BYE BYE IN NOVEMBER. IF NOT WE'RE IN BIG TROUBLE AND HE WON'T TRY TO GET RID OF DOMA EITHER. GAYS WILL SUPPORT HIM (EXCEPT THOSE OF US WHO ARE ON TO HIM AND UIS DECEIT)AND HE'LL DO WHAT HE DOES BEST: LIE AND DECEIVE. SORRY FRIEND. HE'S A TRAGEDY THAT I DON'T DESERVE AND WANT HIM OUT BADLY. AND HE IS A DICTATOR. HE'LL DO ANYTHING TO ADVANCE HIS OWN AGENDA EXCEPT LEARN HOW TO WORK WITH THE REPUBLICANS TO GET THINGS DONE. HE'S AN IDIOT. WHAT A HORRIBLE FAILURE HE IS! I'M PROUD THAT I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM. IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE PROUDEST THINBGS I'VE DONE. AND YES, I HOPE THE SUPREME COURT TRASHES NOBOMA CARE. MORE NOBAMA SHIT. SORRY THAT YOU HAVEN'T "GOTTEN" HIM YET. WHEN HE DISAPPOINTS YOU LET ME KNOW. MEANWHILE KNOW THAT THIS GAY IS ON TO HIM AND IS OUTRAGED THAT HE'S TRYING TO WIN GAY VOTES BY ONCE AGAIN LYING AND DECEIVING US.

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I am dumbfounded. This friend has never gotten over Obama's nomination -- specifically, Hillary's loss. She has turned angrier and angrier and sounds like a complete right-wing nut. This woman hated GWB, but seemed to look for someone to blame when Hillary lost, and has gotten worse by the day. I wrote back to her after this awful email exchange, and told her I don't need her hatred or condescending attitude telling me "she's sorry I haven't gotten him yet." I am appalled beyond belief that she plans to work for Romney's campaign for the sole purpose of working against Obama, whom she will never call president and whom she will never call by his proper name. I am stunned by how low she's gone...

[pkdu]

51. One word.....WOW!

She is not, or no longer, a Democrat.

Plain and simple.

[October]

58. I know. And I am floored.

Speechless.

We used to be able to argue/discuss -- give and take the jabs -- but this is different. This is hate.

Thanks for the reply. I needed it.

[Kath1]

52. Wow

Sorry to hear about that ugly exchange which must have been hurtful. I was a huge Hillary supporter myself, but the issues are much more important than any candidate. I think Hillary has made a remarkable SOS and Obama has done an excellent job as president. I can't imagine being so angry as to support Romney. Try to stay positive. This promises to be a very historic year.

[October]

57. Thank you. I am still (a day later) stunned and saddened.

She has not written back to me, and it appears she won't.

I've marched, and literally carried the rainbow flag, in our local Pride Parade for the past few years, and she's taken my photo, etc. So... I never expected her to have gone this far.

In the past, when we've rooted for different sports teams, we supported and congratulated one another when our team beat the other. She always held our "sportwomanship" up for all to see and celebrate.

So yeah, wow.

Thanks for commenting and for the support. It is a NEW day.

[October]

59. One last word. She started reading right-wing web sites, etc., and this is what happened to her.

Initially, she argued with me that I only read left-leaning sites, so I was the one who was biased. So, she started reading and sending me ugly untruths from the right wingers.

THIS is what happens to a person who starts reading/believing their garbage.

IMHO, of course.

[October]

50. Agree completely. Thanks for the post.

It was heartening to see all the support on this thread -- right after a friend of mine sent an ugly email. I'm distraught and happy to be of like-minded people here.

[Kath1]

61. I feel your pain.

I have a lot of RW relatives who are Fox News addicts and believe everything Limbaugh says. They know I am of the opposite opinion and some of them can't wait to push my buttons at any family function/gathering. The fact that I have demonstrated against the war in Iraq and in favor of reproductive rights seems to drive them absolutely crazy. Being in favor of marriage equality drives them even crazier. It goes beyond disagreement - I really think some of them hate me because of my beliefs. I'm glad I have some very liberal/progressive GFs for support. When all else fails, I can always come here to DU for some much-needed sanity. Peace!

[ibegurpard]

53. He deserves unqualified support for this.

[nofurylike]

54. amazing!!! thank you so very much for doing the work of that and

for posting it for us, Julie!!!

BEAUTIFUL!!!

[JNelson6563]

55. Glad you liked it Bunky!

Good to see you as always!

Julie

[nofurylike]

60. *

likewise, my dear!!

Bunky

[varelse]

56. Yes it is

hopefully there is more progress made in the future. This is a civil right that should be protected at a national level and not left up to the tyranny of the majority in individual states.