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Are there actually any people here AGAINST gay marriage? (Original Post) FarLeftFist May 2012 OP
There are... liberalmuse May 2012 #1
I haven't seen ONE person do anything but praise President Obama cali May 2012 #44
I've been here since 04 orpupilofnature57 May 2012 #2
Been here since '02, and can't remember overt opposition. Faygo Kid May 2012 #3
there are several, actually. Occulus May 2012 #13
Sounds like a trap Ter May 2012 #4
Here since '02 and I've never seen that even implied & that was before the issue patrice May 2012 #5
There was a thread in H&M that was pretty revelatory whatchamacallit May 2012 #6
Okay, I'll bite! chollybocker May 2012 #7
I totally agree with you. I am pro gay marriage, but after doing some research I found that Booster May 2012 #14
1,750 extra benefits for Marrieds! chollybocker May 2012 #20
I'd be more pissed at the fact Maine-ah May 2012 #46
This happily married chick certainly agrees with you on that! liberalhistorian May 2012 #26
Many thanks for your perspective and the site link. chollybocker May 2012 #28
It's almost as bad as all the benefits people get just for growing old MattBaggins May 2012 #29
Ditto. Ilsa May 2012 #43
Yes, but that's against marriage privileges, not the participants. boppers May 2012 #37
Way back when... silverweb May 2012 #8
Yep, I evolved as well nobodyspecial May 2012 #22
Information and input. silverweb May 2012 #35
I had exactly the same experience hifiguy May 2012 #23
Exactly right. silverweb May 2012 #36
Yes...I am... one_voice May 2012 #9
I've never seen one on DU. I have seen some Dems anti gay marriage though. vaberella May 2012 #10
I will NEVER gay marry. onehandle May 2012 #11
Give it time. boppers May 2012 #38
LOL! It would really make heads explode in certain quarters... pinboy3niner May 2012 #45
Well, they get banned when they admit it. We just banned one tonight: Skinner May 2012 #12
Thank you Skinner. joshcryer May 2012 #16
That was subtle. NOT. Canuckistanian May 2012 #21
Same sex marriage, I'm not in favor of it customerserviceguy May 2012 #15
In theory I'm against marriage, period. joshcryer May 2012 #17
They don't come right out and say it, of course. Zorra May 2012 #18
I am straight. I support people having a right to live and prosper if they obey bluestate10 May 2012 #19
Aren't all marriages gay? Smilo May 2012 #24
Been here since 04 and I can't recall anyone coming out against. n/t cynatnite May 2012 #25
Marriage NeverEnuff May 2012 #27
There's been quite a few over the years. Starry Messenger May 2012 #30
+1 Behind the Aegis May 2012 #33
Not that I've seen. Lugnut May 2012 #31
You got it right methinks madokie May 2012 #42
Define "people" and you have your answer... BeHereNow May 2012 #32
Fuck 'em if there are. DevonRex May 2012 #34
so Obama would have been banned until yesterday Enrique May 2012 #39
you mean, did anyone have Obama's view on the subject Enrique May 2012 #40
Obama is a progressive, but he's got the rethug media to deal with BanTheGOP May 2012 #48
I would find it hard to believe if there is madokie May 2012 #41
If anyone were against gay marriage, I would say boot their republican ass out the door BanTheGOP May 2012 #47

liberalmuse

(18,670 posts)
1. There are...
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:28 PM
May 2012

but they won't openly admit that here. Instead, they will jump on and pretty much decimate President Obama for this, in spite of what a big step this was. If you see any post raking him through the coals for this instead of recognizing what a big step and perhaps risk this was for a prominent politician to come right out and point blank say they are for "gay marriage", that is your clue right there.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
44. I haven't seen ONE person do anything but praise President Obama
Thu May 10, 2012, 06:53 AM
May 2012

for speaking out. Not one. And evidently neither have you.

I doubt there are more than a troll or two here who oppose marriage equality. And they oppose everything else progressives believe in. btw, is gay marriage different from hetero marriage? Isn't the point Equality?

Faygo Kid

(21,477 posts)
3. Been here since '02, and can't remember overt opposition.
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:32 PM
May 2012

Probably happened sometime, but don't think DU has really been part of the problem. Others disagree, I know.

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
13. there are several, actually.
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:50 PM
May 2012

They favor.civil unions and/or domestic partnerships- "like the French model", as one particularly progressive professor previously posited.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
4. Sounds like a trap
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:37 PM
May 2012

If you are against it, you get banned on DU. Even being anti-abortion doesn't give ya the boot.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
5. Here since '02 and I've never seen that even implied & that was before the issue
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:41 PM
May 2012

started developing a broad constituency.

LGBTQ have been here ever since I can remember. Some people come here to insult them, they don't stay long, but you'd think if there was an anti-Gay marriage element here, you'd have seen it in those situations.

I could very possibly have missed something, so you should ask LGBTQ specifically.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
6. There was a thread in H&M that was pretty revelatory
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:42 PM
May 2012

but the author self-deleted. He is now singing a whole new gospel as if it never happened...

chollybocker

(3,687 posts)
7. Okay, I'll bite!
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:43 PM
May 2012

Yes, I object to the multiple privileges accorded to marriage in general, especially in terms of taxation, income splitting, housing, employment, day care, schooling, etc. Those of us who choose to be single and childless are left exempt.

But that's an argument for another day! Equality inches onward.

Booster

(10,021 posts)
14. I totally agree with you. I am pro gay marriage, but after doing some research I found that
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:50 PM
May 2012

married people have approximately 1750 benefits (mainly on taxes) that single people don't have. WTF is up with that? Where are the "equal rights for everyone" people on this subject, whether gay, straight or whatever?

chollybocker

(3,687 posts)
20. 1,750 extra benefits for Marrieds!
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:48 PM
May 2012

i hope married couples feel 1,750 times superior to me, because the law says they may.

Onward, upward, etc....

Maine-ah

(9,902 posts)
46. I'd be more pissed at the fact
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:45 AM
May 2012

that corporations and the rich pay lower tax rates, and many corporations don't pay anything in taxes.

I'm married, one child, mortgage etc....I'm unemployed and when I am employed our combined income is about 60k. We had to pay in this year.

liberalhistorian

(20,809 posts)
26. This happily married chick certainly agrees with you on that!
Wed May 9, 2012, 11:30 PM
May 2012

I was single until I married several years ago, I was almost 43 (but I did have a son, even though I'd never been married, so I guess you could say I wasn't completely single and childless). The difference in legal, economic, tax, financial and social benefits (not to mention many others) was truly incredible to me. The second I said "I do", I was the beneficiary of myriad benefits across a wide spectrum of areas even though I was the exact same person. I was also suddenly viewed very differently socially and culturally, as most singles older than 35 are looked on with more and more suspicion; my father and his side of the family suddenly began treating me as a real adult for the first time in my life, even though I was almost middle-aged! It was as if my life wasn't as important or didn't really matter until and unless I was married.

I'd known about all that before, having once been a member of the American Association of Single Persons (their website was a real eye-opener in regards to the many ways singles are discriminated against and the countless benefits they are denied), but to actually experience the difference between being single and married was a real change. I've never understood why that had to be the case. I understand the historical and sociological developments and reasons, but it still doesn't make any true sense.

I don't know if the website's still there, but it was www.unmarriedamerica.com.

chollybocker

(3,687 posts)
28. Many thanks for your perspective and the site link.
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:13 AM
May 2012

And I always thought it was just me... Hope to see this issue raised, argued, and rectified before I kick the proverbial bucket. Onward and upward!

MattBaggins

(7,893 posts)
29. It's almost as bad as all the benefits people get just for growing old
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:38 AM
May 2012

All those benefits that are denied to young people is just unfair.

Ilsa

(61,656 posts)
43. Ditto.
Thu May 10, 2012, 06:47 AM
May 2012

I married on mid-thirties. People treated me like I had reached some higher level of consciousness and social status after marriage. It's absurd.

boppers

(16,588 posts)
37. Yes, but that's against marriage privileges, not the participants.
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:04 AM
May 2012

Your post does not relate to discrimination of who is allowed to have those privileges.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
8. Way back when...
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:45 PM
May 2012

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I supported civil unions rather than marriage as a kind of compromise position. Basically, I was thinking, "Let the religious people have their precious 'marriage' word and let gays have all their legal rights without going to war over terminology."

I'm happy to say that it didn't take very long for same-sex marriage proponents to make me see the inequality inherent in that position. They also made me see that the anti-gay fundies were going to fight just as hard against civil unions, so it was going to be a battle no matter what terminology was used.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
35. Information and input.
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:01 AM
May 2012

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Yup. Why I'm totally addicted to DU.

If my computer's on, DU is up and running, even if I'm doing other things. It's my primary news source and filter, and DUers from all walks of life and areas of experience are always providing astute commentary.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
23. I had exactly the same experience
Wed May 9, 2012, 11:15 PM
May 2012

and journey. The only defensible position is total equality for all.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
9. Yes...I am...
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:46 PM
May 2012

I'm against the term "gay marriage" I prefer, marriage equality and I can't wait for the day that there's no distinction...it's just marriage for everyone that wants it.

But to answer your question, I don't think I've ever seen anyone here speak out against it. They shouldn't be here if that's how they feel...IMO.

boppers

(16,588 posts)
38. Give it time.
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:09 AM
May 2012

Maybe a church program can convince you to change your sexuality. Maybe it's just a phase.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
45. LOL! It would really make heads explode in certain quarters...
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:06 AM
May 2012

...if a church began offering to 'pray away the straight.'

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
15. Same sex marriage, I'm not in favor of it
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:22 PM
May 2012

Been married three times, and same sex, all the time...not so good.

Now, equal marriage, I'm down with that!

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
17. In theory I'm against marriage, period.
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:36 PM
May 2012

I think it's an archaic religious institution that has no bearing on ones commitment to another, or others, even (not polyamorous but I am not against that, either, if we had an equal society that didn't stress polygamy as an alarming number in the world does).

That being said, I support full marriage equality for all adults because the society we are in gives marriages more rights, and in many cases excludes rights from individuals who, if they were heterosexual but not married, would have more rights.





Source for infographic: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2012/may/08/gay-rights-united-states#13365738467461&get_params=true

Being ideologically opposed to marriage is not a practical position in our authoritarian society. If anything, it is a highly dismissive and privileged position to have, therefore I keep it to myself usually.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who doesn't see any real value in marriage, but I think typically we don't push our ideology on others, but you asked the question, and I answered it.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
18. They don't come right out and say it, of course.
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:41 PM
May 2012

Some high post subtle homophobes get TOSsed from time to time.

MIR is stellar at catching them, Skinner and EarlG seem to have developed good senses for detecting homophobes, and the LGBT community here is extremely sensitive to any homophobic nuance.

A homophobe with almost 12,000 posts got tombstoned on April 27th.

A transphobe with almost 15,000 posts got tombstoned on April 17th.

So yeah, they're here.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
19. I am straight. I support people having a right to live and prosper if they obey
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:45 PM
May 2012

rational laws of society. Anti-gay laws are irrational. I support gay rights for no other reason than my support of the said human rights. In addition, gay people getting married has no impact on the choices that I have regarding who I would marry.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
24. Aren't all marriages gay?
Wed May 9, 2012, 11:19 PM
May 2012

Definition of GAY. 1. a: happily excited : merry <in a gay mood> b: keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits

I really do think that many anti-Gay people are just jealous that they don't have a good marriage and someone who loves them and when they see happiness in others they just can't stand it.

NeverEnuff

(147 posts)
27. Marriage
Wed May 9, 2012, 11:32 PM
May 2012

How did the civil government take charge of a religious ceremony in the first place. So they could turn it into an income stream?

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
30. There's been quite a few over the years.
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:44 AM
May 2012

Sometimes they come right out and say it, or there is the other variation of "the government should get out of the marriage business" or "let religion have the word" or "civil unions are practically the same thing" or "letting you have your rights would not be politically expedient" or "gay marriage cost us the 2004 Presidential elections". It isn't as explicit, but still reactionary.

Lugnut

(9,791 posts)
31. Not that I've seen.
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:58 AM
May 2012

I don't like the term "gay marriage" when plain old MARRIAGE would do just fine. My husband and I have been married for 45 years. Every loving couple regardless of gender should be able to do the same. I might be straight but I'm not narrow and I'm celebrating this day.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
42. You got it right methinks
Thu May 10, 2012, 06:24 AM
May 2012

I'm straight and I'm celebrating this day too. Its been a long time coming.

Like I told my homophobic friend, if you're not gay then don't marry a man, If you don't believe in abortion then don't have one. Of course his eyes glassed over and his ears didn't hear a word I said. I'll keep working on him though.

BeHereNow

(17,162 posts)
32. Define "people" and you have your answer...
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:07 AM
May 2012

NO people I know and love on DU have a problem with marriage
between any people who love each other.

The ones that do?
Again, I ask, define "people."

BHN

 

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
48. Obama is a progressive, but he's got the rethug media to deal with
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:08 PM
May 2012

The media is all over Obama with their republicanized bias with voters, so Obama has to balance himself (though I wish he were more forthright on this issue earlier).

If Obama were a DU member, I would cut him slack because he's president. But there should be NO REASON why any of us should have to facetiously show indecision in this manner.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
41. I would find it hard to believe if there is
Thu May 10, 2012, 06:20 AM
May 2012

Trolls yes but actual paid members no I don't think so.
I have a dear friend who I won't out but maybe this will encourage him to do what would ultimately be the right choice for himself, my opinion. I'd hate to have to live my life in hiding and thats what he is doing now.

 

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
47. If anyone were against gay marriage, I would say boot their republican ass out the door
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:05 PM
May 2012

There can be NO reason for ANYONE to be against gay marriage. NONE. You may as well shout from the highest mountain that you are a rethug.

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