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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:17 PM Apr 2015

O’Malley 2016 Just Committed Suicide in Baltimore - By Jackie Kucinich

He was supposed to be Hillary’s main rival. But when Martin O’Malley rode back into his battered hometown, he was told to GTFO.

It could have been a breakthrough moment for former Governor Martin O’Malley.

A former mayor/governor/turned potential presidential contender cuts short a series of paid speeches in Europe to return to the still-smoldering city he once governed and where he still lives.

“I just wanted to be present. There’s a lot of pain in our city right now, a lot of people feeling very sad,” O’Malley said Tuesday, according to The Washington Post. “Look, we’ve got to come through this together. We’re a people who’ve seen worse days, and we’ll come through this day.”

But as he hopped in and out of a black Suburban that ferried him from neighborhood to neighborhood torn apart by fire, looters, and poverty, he just became a joke. Worse, for some people, he revealed himself to be a root cause of Baltimore’s problem.

“There are a lot of cameras here in town and some people are looking for attention,” Governor Larry Hogan said Wednesday afternoon. “I’m just focused on the crisis. I’m here to answer your questions, but we’re really here trying to heal the community.”

O’Malley was even heckled, according to the Post, as he walked around the streets.

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O’Malley 2016 Just Committed Suicide in Baltimore - By Jackie Kucinich (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2015 OP
I wouldn't call it a good week, but he can regroup BeyondGeography Apr 2015 #1
I don't think his visit to Baltimore is going to hurt him. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #2
Yep. 840high Apr 2015 #54
No it won't Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2015 #78
Just a few days ago I saw a positive article here about this visit Mojorabbit Apr 2015 #86
I'd mentioned this before in another post but O'Malley may have been deemed the best governor justiceischeap Apr 2015 #3
I would need to read more marym625 Apr 2015 #4
RFK in Indianapolis he ain't. hifiguy Apr 2015 #5
red sky at dawn bigtree Apr 2015 #6
back home we used to say "red sky at night, sailor's delight. red sky in morning, sailors take dionysus May 2015 #96
I don't see that he fills a needed space in the primary contest BainsBane Apr 2015 #7
O'Malley is very popular in Baltimore. Don't believe the RW spin. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #32
David Simon is critical of him BainsBane Apr 2015 #33
True, but he is someone who is a friend of the current administration and has a FSogol Apr 2015 #37
Did you read the article or BainsBane Apr 2015 #42
Yes, I read the article, you're the 3rd person who asked me that. FSogol Apr 2015 #45
I'm not blaming him for Freddie Gray BainsBane Apr 2015 #48
Every major city used that form of policing in the 1990-early 2000s. FSogol Apr 2015 #53
I might add that FSogol's replies are factually inaccurate. Vattel May 2015 #104
I read the whole article -- the praise as well as the criticism Jim Lane Apr 2015 #75
I'll vote for him if he is the nominee too BainsBane Apr 2015 #81
Good find Jim. O'Malley's biggest critic says, "I’m going to end up voting for him." FSogol May 2015 #101
Its too early to write him off DJ13 Apr 2015 #8
Yes. elleng Apr 2015 #16
Bernie jumping in has railroaded O'Malley's non-campaign wyldwolf Apr 2015 #9
So they're calling a Democrat "a root cause of Baltimore's problem." cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #10
Yup. elleng Apr 2015 #14
No, they just remember him for what he was to Baltimore as Mayor and Governor. nt Hutzpa Apr 2015 #17
I guess I simply pulled the quoted text out of my ass then... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #22
A good question would be, what type of police commissioner and what type of law enforcement strategy Dragonfli Apr 2015 #44
Apparently he was the one that introduced Hutzpa Apr 2015 #49
I hope someone with knowledge will go into greater detail Dragonfli Apr 2015 #58
Unfortunately I don't have the full details as I caught the end of it Hutzpa Apr 2015 #61
Read David Simon's interview on O'Malley's policing policies brush Apr 2015 #92
A Democrat who stopped being Mayor of Baltimore 7-1/2 years ago. FSogol Apr 2015 #23
I'm NOT falling for it. I'm pissed someone is posting it here. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #26
My apologies. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #28
Oh no problem. No problem at all. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #30
Good. elleng Apr 2015 #31
Like I told FSogol... It's gonna be a long, bumpy ride. Glad I'm not prone to motion sickness! n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #34
Read this link to the David Simon interview on O'Malley brush Apr 2015 #91
B.S. headline, saw it elsewhere. elleng Apr 2015 #11
So you like Martin O'Malley, Ellen? "Martin O'Malley, Baltimore's Prodigal Mayor, Gets to Work" Cha Apr 2015 #76
Yes, Cha, I like him. elleng Apr 2015 #79
Good to know.. I respect your opinion! Cha Apr 2015 #84
FWIW, Jackie Kucinich, the author of this piece, is MADem Apr 2015 #12
You mean Democrat, Dennis Kucinich! There, fixed it for you. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #25
He gets paid for being a Democrat? OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #40
Well, I have no knowledge if he's changed his party affiliation, or not, so unlike MADem Apr 2015 #43
Oh yeah.. Kucinich and his fondness for Ron Paul.. quite sickening. Cha Apr 2015 #72
Bi-partisanship, to try to stop a war or forward legislation to stop sabrina 1 May 2015 #94
Ans what's also known about him is that he is and always was a Democrat. sabrina 1 May 2015 #95
You're the one who seems "upset"--so quick to interject your little MADem May 2015 #97
No you're the one who seems upset that a Democrat worked with Republicans whenever he sabrina 1 May 2015 #98
Listen to yourself!!! MADem May 2015 #99
I never knew that. Thanks for the info. nt Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #39
She worked for THE HILL for quite a while, as I recall. She also did a run at the WAPO. MADem Apr 2015 #46
when i first saw her i thought his first wife JI7 Apr 2015 #56
He has a "type" I suspect. MADem Apr 2015 #59
He was told to GTFO Hutzpa Apr 2015 #13
Actually Fox News was told to GTFO, not O'Malley. FSogol Apr 2015 #19
YES, THANK YOU, FSogol! elleng Apr 2015 #27
I'm reading what the OP stated Hutzpa Apr 2015 #35
What is stated in that OP is full of BS. It is a RW hit piece that copies a slew FSogol Apr 2015 #38
It was written by Dennis Kucinich's daughter. She works for the Daily Beast. MADem Apr 2015 #47
She didn't necessarily write the headline ucrdem Apr 2015 #57
It's mostly narrative and quotes. It doesn't seem necessarily "hit piece-y" to me, to be honest. MADem Apr 2015 #63
Well... "O’Malley’s failure to take hold of this moment" sounds hit-piecey to me. ucrdem Apr 2015 #65
I think it sounds like an assessment by someone who is familiar with the terrain. MADem Apr 2015 #69
Well . . . let's just say that media reality is mediated and leave it at that. nt ucrdem Apr 2015 #70
Dyslexia acting up today? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #60
Quoting republican governors should give you a clue. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #62
Oh, you're one of those people. You're not reachable. But here's something to ponder anyway: DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #64
Blam.. door shuts. nt Hutzpa Apr 2015 #67
Sounds like someone took their parents praise too seriously. FSogol Apr 2015 #68
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #71
You're just mouthing off and acting condescending. My head in real life seldom FSogol Apr 2015 #73
See my previous statement about cowardice. It neatly explains your situation. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #74
Bite me, anonymous internet tough guy. Your threats are a joke. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #77
I haven't threatened you, but I'll be glad to insult your lack of comprehension. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #80
Yawn. FSogol Apr 2015 #82
You made a false accusation, you were called on it, and your response is a yawn. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #85
Keep telling yourself that. nt Hutzpa Apr 2015 #66
Third rate hit piece on O'Malley, From the Wash post article, the heckler, FSogol Apr 2015 #15
Thank you. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #18
They even quoted the current ReTHUG governor malaise Apr 2015 #24
exactly! Duppers May 2015 #100
Governor Larry Hogan said .... left-of-center2012 Apr 2015 #20
Hogan looks like a scared kid. When the problem is the police, he wants more police. FSogol Apr 2015 #21
President Obama has been blamed, the Baltimore mayor has been blamed, KMOD Apr 2015 #29
omalley decriminalized mj questionseverything Apr 2015 #36
Sounds like a one issue voter Hutzpa Apr 2015 #41
not at all but questionseverything Apr 2015 #50
Lettuce prey upon the minerals and chemistry we require seveneyes Apr 2015 #51
sounds like hit piece JI7 Apr 2015 #52
Written by Dennis Kucinich's daughter? nt MADem Apr 2015 #83
Politics are not genetic. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #87
You're suggesting she's a right winger? MADem Apr 2015 #88
Nope, I'm suggesting that citing her father is about the worst possible way jeff47 Apr 2015 #89
I can find you a dozen more "liberal" links that are saying the same thing about O'Malley. MADem Apr 2015 #90
Kick, will read later. Agschmid Apr 2015 #55
What utter crap. Good on him for wading into the fray. TwilightGardener Apr 2015 #93
At least he didn't give Wall Street banksters all they wanted. Octafish May 2015 #102
Too bad fadedrose May 2015 #103
OFFS, what a load of tripe. Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #105

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
86. Just a few days ago I saw a positive article here about this visit
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:43 PM
Apr 2015

and it seems the Post is turning that on it's head.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
3. I'd mentioned this before in another post but O'Malley may have been deemed the best governor
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:22 PM
Apr 2015

evah, people did not like his policies all that much especially his tax hikes. That's why we have a Republican governor at the moment. His entire campaign was about lowering taxes and people ate it up. I'm not saying O'Malley didn't do some great things in Maryland but he's not a popular guy here.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
96. back home we used to say "red sky at night, sailor's delight. red sky in morning, sailors take
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:36 AM
May 2015

warning"

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
7. I don't see that he fills a needed space in the primary contest
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:23 PM
Apr 2015

Sanders brings something new to the race. What does O'Malley bring? If the residents of Baltimore dislike him as their former mayor, why should I want to vote for him?

FSogol

(45,360 posts)
37. True, but he is someone who is a friend of the current administration and has a
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:46 PM
Apr 2015

long standing grudge against O'Malley.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
42. Did you read the article or
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:55 PM
Apr 2015

watch the Wire? The criticism is concerning, and I have great respect for Simon.

FSogol

(45,360 posts)
45. Yes, I read the article, you're the 3rd person who asked me that.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:59 PM
Apr 2015

Also, you do realize that "The Wire" is a work of fiction? It doesn't change the fact that O'Malley left as Mayor in Baltimore in Nov 2007.

Why blame him, yet cut a break to the people in charge the last 7-1/2 years?

Here's my spiel again:

O'Malley, as Mayor of Baltimore (Dec 1999-Nov 2007) followed a policy of zero tolerance, also know as the broken windows policy as did almost every major city in the US. Every major city switched to that form of policing in the mid to late 90s because of the drop in NYC's crime rate. By the mid 00s, everyone was moving away from it due to over-policing, arresting innocent people, profiling, etc. He employed those policies when he arrived as Mayor, but moved away from them for the reasons stated. The number of arrests dropped each year in Baltimore as did the crime rate.

By the end of his Mayoral term he moved away from that policy. He did not employ those methods as Governor. Unlike say, Giuliani, O'Malley changed, evolved, and modified his approach until he got a fairer/more workable system.

From a recent Washington Post article:

“What was positive was that there was zero-tolerance for criminals and drug dealers locking down neighborhoods and taking neighborhoods hostage,” said the Rev. Franklin Madison Reid, a Baltimore pastor. “Does that mean there was no down side? No. But the bottom line was that the city was in a lot stronger position as a city after he became mayor.”

Benjamin T. Jealous, a former president of the national NAACP who worked with O’Malley when Maryland abolished the death penalty in 2013, credited him for supporting a civilian review board as mayor and for a sharp drop in police shootings that occurred during that time. Jealous said O’Malley’s “mass incarceration” police strategy is “a separate issue” than police brutality, and “a conversation for a different day.”“It was a period where a lot of mayors were doing whatever they could to try to reduce crime,” Jealous said.


and

Over the past year, as he has criss-crossed the country, O’Malley has talked about alleged police misconduct in places such as Ferguson, Mo. and North Charleston, S.C. On Saturday, he called Gray’s death “another awful and horrific loss of life.”
“Whether it’s a police custodial death or a police-involved shooting,” O’Malley said, “we all have a responsibility to ask whether there’s something we can do to prevent such a loss of life from happening in the future.”

Earlier this month, at a civil rights event convened by the Rev. Al Sharpton, O’Malley said his crime-reduction efforts as mayor saved many lives. “There are a thousand fewer black men in Baltimore who died violent deaths over the last 15 years than otherwise would have died had we not come together.”

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
48. I'm not blaming him for Freddie Gray
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:06 PM
Apr 2015

I'm looking at his record and asking why I should feel compelled to consider him for President over Clinton or Sanders.
The Wire is a work of fiction, created by a former cop and journalist who knows Baltimore very well. It's also the best television program ever made, something I have often referred to as the Shakespeare of TV.

What Simon describes in the article is what he chronicles in The Wire. It's about rounding people up for no reason other than the Mayor's, then O'Malley, political prospects for becoming governor. Courts ruled that policy violated the Fourth Amendment. Police refused to take reports of rape and aggravated assault, tampered with crime stats so O'Malley could run for Governor by claiming he cracked down on crime. I see nothing in any of that to recommend him for the Presidency.

FSogol

(45,360 posts)
53. Every major city used that form of policing in the 1990-early 2000s.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:11 PM
Apr 2015

O'Malley used that method when he arrived as mayor in 1999, but had moved away from that before he left the Mayor's office in Fall 2007. There is a fact checker article floating around DU that shows that O'Malley did not manipulate the stats like Simon alleges. He used the FBI numbers.

Here's a short list of what I like about O'Malley.

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

His resume can be found here:
http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/08conoff/gov/former/html/msa13090.html

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
104. I might add that FSogol's replies are factually inaccurate.
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:36 AM
May 2015

FSogol doesn't even know when O'Malley left the mayor's office, which was in January of 2007, not November of 2007.

FSogol says: "He employed those policies when he arrived as Mayor, but moved away from them for the reasons stated. The number of arrests dropped each year in Baltimore as did the crime rate."

That is completely false. During his time as Mayor, arrests peaked in 2005, leading to the lawsuit in 2006.

FSogol says: "O'Malley, as Mayor of Baltimore (Dec 1999-Nov 2007) followed a policy of zero tolerance, also know as the broken windows policy as did almost every major city in the US."

FSogol would have you believe that O'Malley was just doing what everyone else was doing, but that completely ignores that O'Malley's zero tolerance went well beyond the basic broken window approach. As Simon says:

First, the department began sweeping the streets of the inner city, taking bodies on ridiculous humbles, mass arrests, sending thousands of people to city jail, hundreds every night, thousands in a month. They actually had police supervisors stationed with printed forms at the city jail – forms that said, essentially, you can go home now if you sign away any liability the city has for false arrest, or you can not sign the form and spend the weekend in jail until you see a court commissioner. And tens of thousands of people signed that form. . . .

My own crew members [on “The Wire”] used to get picked up trying to come from the set at night. We’d wrap at like one in the morning, and we’d be in the middle of East Baltimore and they’d start to drive home, they’d get pulled over. My first assistant director — Anthony Hemingway — ended up at city jail. No charge. Driving while black, and then trying to explain that he had every right to be where he was, and he ended up on Eager Street4. Charges were non-existent, or were dismissed en masse. Martin O’Malley’s logic was pretty basic: If we clear the streets, they’ll stop shooting at each other. We’ll lower the murder rate because there will be no one on the corners.


FSogol says: "There is a fact checker article floating around DU that shows that O'Malley did not manipulate the stats like Simon alleges. He used the FBI numbers."

Where does FSogol imagine that the FBI got their numbers from? They got them from the city government of Baltimore. Those numbers in no way show that Simon's claims about manipulating statistics are false. And I might add, the fact checker at the Washington post must really like O'Malley because the that "fact checker" doesn't even mention that the drop in homicides that O'Malley brags about is based on looking at the number of homicides in years 2007-2009 in addition to earlier years. So O'Malley is taking credit for what happened in Baltimore after the next mayor came in and stopped the mass arrest policy.
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
75. I read the whole article -- the praise as well as the criticism
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:14 PM
Apr 2015

Most of the article was about police practices, a subject on which Simon was indeed critical of O'Malley. It also included this passage:

Everyone thinks I’ve got a hard-on for Marty because we battled over “The Wire,” whether it was bad for the city, whether we’d be filming it in Baltimore. But it’s been years, and I mean, that’s over. I shook hands with him on the train last year and we buried it. And, hey, if he's the Democratic nominee, I’m going to end up voting for him. It’s not personal and I admire some of his other stances on the death penalty and gay rights.


Which is to say that O'Malley, like any other politician with a significant record, will have some things in that record to admire and some to criticize.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
81. I'll vote for him if he is the nominee too
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:23 PM
Apr 2015

That is a different question from whether I will caucus for him.

wyldwolf

(43,865 posts)
9. Bernie jumping in has railroaded O'Malley's non-campaign
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:26 PM
Apr 2015

Someone running to the left of Hillary who REALLY IS to the left of Hillary.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
10. So they're calling a Democrat "a root cause of Baltimore's problem."
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:27 PM
Apr 2015

More than a year before the election... Hell, almost eight whole months before the first fucking presidential primary... and we're already feasting on our own.

This is gonna be one fucked up process.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
44. A good question would be, what type of police commissioner and what type of law enforcement strategy
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:57 PM
Apr 2015

did he employ as mayor? Were the police targeting people of color more, less, or the same under him?

Did his commissioner use profiling to arrest unusually high numbers of POC, was there a pattern of police abuse then like now? Or was his tenure a period of relatively progressive and fair enforcement compared to now?

Any residents from the city during his tenure know the answers to such questions?

That is what to me appears to be relevant now, but I have no idea how the police thugs were directed during his time as mayor and would like someone from the area to help me out.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
49. Apparently he was the one that introduced
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:07 PM
Apr 2015

aggressive policing, some of the folks from Baltimore were talking about it or mentioned it on few times two days ago.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
58. I hope someone with knowledge will go into greater detail
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:28 PM
Apr 2015

It does not sound good and his attitudes regarding policing, profiling and prisoner abuse are far more important than his deciding to appear in the city at this time. The former deals with substance, the latter with appearances and campaigning.

I am more concerned with substance when deliberating levels of support for potential candidates.

Aggressive policing does not sound good, often it inspires things like racial profiling, arrest quotas, unlawful search, and even informally condoned physical abuse.

brush

(53,475 posts)
92. Read David Simon's interview on O'Malley's policing policies
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:28 PM
Apr 2015

Check out this link of an interview of David Simon, the creator of "The Wire" who is also a former newspaper police beat reporter during the O'Malley years — Simon is no right winger.

This information needs to be out there before any nomination least we have another Edwards situation like almost torpedoed us Dems in '08 — if he had gotten the nomination and then the sex scandal and baby momma surfaced)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/29/david-simon-martin-_n_7175274.html

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
26. I'm NOT falling for it. I'm pissed someone is posting it here.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:40 PM
Apr 2015

I'd call myself an O'Malley supporter.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
30. Oh no problem. No problem at all.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:43 PM
Apr 2015

It's gonna be a long, bumpy ride. I'm glad I've never been prone to motion sickness!

brush

(53,475 posts)
91. Read this link to the David Simon interview on O'Malley
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:26 PM
Apr 2015

Check out this link of an interview of David Simon, the creator of "The Wire" who is also a former newspaper police beat reporter during the O'Malley years — Simon is no right winger.

This information needs to be out there before any nomination least we have another Edwards situation like almost torpedoed us Dems in '08 — if he had gotten the nomination and then the sex scandal and baby momma surfaced)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/29/david-simon-martin-_n_7175274.html

Cha

(295,929 posts)
76. So you like Martin O'Malley, Ellen? "Martin O'Malley, Baltimore's Prodigal Mayor, Gets to Work"
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:15 PM
Apr 2015

thanks for the link.

This is what I say to the OP..

"..even heckled".. Everyone gets heckled.. "suicide".. Really? I bet he's still in the game, Jackie.

elleng

(130,156 posts)
79. Yes, Cha, I like him.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:21 PM
Apr 2015

Will see how he continues to respond to this. Hear/see 'friends' fairly negative, so I don't engage.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. FWIW, Jackie Kucinich, the author of this piece, is
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:29 PM
Apr 2015

the 34 year old daughter of Sandra Lee McCarthy and former representative, oft-time POTUS candidate, and Fox News Contributor Dennis Kucinich.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
43. Well, I have no knowledge if he's changed his party affiliation, or not, so unlike
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:56 PM
Apr 2015

you, I am not going to presume as to his leanings nowadays. He is the father of this young woman, he was a Representative, he was a POTUS candidate, and he is a Fox News contributor. These things are known about him, with certainty.

I do know, on his way out the door, he didn't have anything nice to say about Democrats--or Republicans.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/28/outgoing_rep_dennis_kucinich_with_2

So I am not sure why you are INSISTING that he's a Democrat, and you "fixed it" when he's not too thrilled with them as the link illustrates. He does, in this interview, make it a point to discuss his alliance with Congressman Paul and he doesn't seem at all enamoured of the two party system...but hey, you go on ahead and call him what you'd like. I happen to think he's moved on.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
94. Bi-partisanship, to try to stop a war or forward legislation to stop
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:18 AM
May 2015

Wall St fraud etc, doesn't bother me too much, happens all the time.

It really bothers me when a Democrat joins forces with Republicans to get something like the TPP passed, that kind of fondness for some of the worst Republicans, definitely bothers me.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
95. Ans what's also known about him is that he is and always was a Democrat.
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:32 AM
May 2015

I'm not sure why you are upset over Democrats discussing issues with Republicans.

It's better than Democrats working with them to pass a horror of a bill like the TPP eg.

Far as I know he never appointed Republicans to powerful positions in government after WE threw them out.

I am stating a fact. Until he says otherwise, he's a Democrat.

You can 'think' what you want, I 'think' a lot of things too, but they aren't facts.

Kucinich on the issues was and is one of those Democrats who did not abandon his principles and vote with Republicans to start a disastrous war eg.

He didn't 'think' Bush was telling the truth.

But you go ahead and bash Democrats all you want, it won't change anything.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
97. You're the one who seems "upset"--so quick to interject your little
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:07 AM
May 2015

concerns into the discussion!!!



I provided a link that had him expressing in his own words (those are "facts" -- those words of his--not "opinions&quot his thought processes as he left Congress and his friendship with his fellow Congressman Paul; you respond by attempting, lamely, to "characterize" me as "upset."

Check your mirror--I think you're the "upset" one here. And if you bothered to check the link I provided, you'd see that he DID "say otherwise"--he basically abandoned the two party system. So, sorry--he doesn't sound like a "practicing Dem" to me anymore.

But hey, how could you know? I provided a link and you didn't bother to click on it!!!

Pointing out what Dennis Kucinich actually said isn't "bashing" anyone--least of all Democrats.

I have to wonder where you get some of this material you drag out as you follow me around--it's lame as all get-out. Apropos of absolutely nothing, too.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
98. No you're the one who seems upset that a Democrat worked with Republicans whenever he
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:15 AM
May 2015

thought it might forward good legislation. So upset you are pretending to 'think' he must not be a Democrat, with zero to back it up, other than he expressed his opinions about issues.

How do you feel about a Democratic President appointing Republicans to powerful positions, in Defense, in Economics, in State, leaving Bush appointees in the NSA, in the DOJ?

You must be livid over those close relationships and friendships with people like Hagel et al.

I mean you can't be upset with one Democrat for working with, though not placing in any powerful position, one Republican and applaud all those friendships which led to putting them BACK in power AFTER we threw them out?

Consistency is everything. But then I'm only assuming that Democrats consorting with Republicans is something that so upsets you you believe they are no longer Democrats, not just this Democrat??

MADem

(135,425 posts)
99. Listen to yourself!!!
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:24 AM
May 2015


Sorry--no matter how many times you repeat That Word, I'm not upset.

I am starting to feel sorry for you, though. There's something amiss when you keep trying to characterize others with emotions you are plainly feeling.

You must be upset!!! You must be livid!!! Where are you getting this crap?

I think you do need some help. I can't give it to you, though. Not sure why you keep following me around and going off on tangents, but this isn't the first time--I'm sure it won't be the last.

Psssst--here's a clue. I don't give a shit what a Fox News contributor does in his spare time, mmmkay? Apparently you're enamoured of the guy, because you can't do the Frozen and Let Him Go...?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. She worked for THE HILL for quite a while, as I recall. She also did a run at the WAPO.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:59 PM
Apr 2015

She looks a bit like his present wife, which is kind of odd.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
59. He has a "type" I suspect.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:30 PM
Apr 2015

This is the most recent wife--the pic is five years old, I think she cut her hair.



Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
13. He was told to GTFO
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:30 PM
Apr 2015


Saw a reporter asked him how did he feel that the people were booing him and screaming at him? couldn't catch his response.
If your home state is not feeling your presidenting before you even get to the starting block, you know it's time to
pack it in.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
35. I'm reading what the OP stated
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:45 PM
Apr 2015

not making this up.

I also saw on CNN the reception he got was very mixed.

FSogol

(45,360 posts)
38. What is stated in that OP is full of BS. It is a RW hit piece that copies a slew
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:47 PM
Apr 2015

of allegations from other hit pieces. Total BS.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
47. It was written by Dennis Kucinich's daughter. She works for the Daily Beast.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:05 PM
Apr 2015

Before that she wrote for WAPO and The Hill.

You're seriously accusing her of writing a BS RW hit piece? Just because you don't like what she's reporting?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
57. She didn't necessarily write the headline
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:19 PM
Apr 2015

and it might have been heavily edited. It does read like a hit piece though doesn't it?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
63. It's mostly narrative and quotes. It doesn't seem necessarily "hit piece-y" to me, to be honest.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:39 PM
Apr 2015

It seems more like an evaluation that comes to the conclusion that this candidate hasn't "caught on" and he's squandered what opportunity he might have had. The big finish is all opinion, but it comes off like a valid assessment. You are probably right about the headline, I'll bet--because the conclusion doesn't match the headline. It's not suicide, it's more like a petering out, if anything.

But the former Maryland governor was not only the former head of the Democratic Governor’s Association, he has spent years laying the foundation for a presidential run. During the last several months, he’s oh-so-gently poking at Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on everything from her age to the Clinton Foundation to her Wall Street ties.

And yet, for some reason, no one is listening.

But he’s still a serious contender for the White House. Because…he’s a Democrat who is thinking about running for president?

Is that really a reason?

Anything is possible, of course, when it comes to presidential races. The media love to build up unlikely contenders, at least for a little while. Long shots do rise to the top, from time to time. But after O’Malley’s less-than-warm welcome back to his hometown, this does not appear to be one of those occasions. Perhaps now we can all stop pretending he’s a real rival to Hillary Clinton.

O’Malley’s failure to take hold of this moment in the city he has staked so much of his reputation as an executive on is puzzling. But his failure to realize this Baltimore reunion would open up old, deep wounds in a community that has not quite forgiven him for tough policing policies—is politically tone deaf, at best.

O’Malley’s presence on the ground in Baltimore probably didn’t make the situation there any worse, but it sure didn’t make O’Malley’s presidential dreams any more real.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026598870

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
65. Well... "O’Malley’s failure to take hold of this moment" sounds hit-piecey to me.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:44 PM
Apr 2015

If he'd spent that last week touring Dublin or wherever he was and skipped the whole ordeal, that would have been a failure, but he canceled his engagements and went back. So calling it failure seems like a predetermined conclusion.

The other thing is that my conspiratorial gears started turning the minute I heard Baltimore was "in flames." Also, Daily Beast has always struck me as having neo-con tendencies though I reached that conclusion years ago and haven't really read it much since.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
69. I think it sounds like an assessment by someone who is familiar with the terrain.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:00 PM
Apr 2015

And Kucinich has been on that beat for years. I remember her at the Hill a LONG time ago when she was cutting her teeth. She did a decent job there. I didn't follow her when she was at Wapo, but that's a good training ground. DB is partnered with NEWSWEEK which is to the left of TIME magazine, which is reliably Republican. They're all corporate, of course, but everything is. I will say NEWSWEEK is on the right side of most "issue" journalism, particularly gender and race issues and other equality issues.

I watched a lot of riot footage, and it's not something that should be downplayed. It was a serious event. This was an outburst of anger and frustration that was stunning in its intensity.





For the first time in HISTORY, a major league baseball game was played without ANY fans.

This was a serious situation and to downgrade it is just not on.
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
60. Dyslexia acting up today?
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:32 PM
Apr 2015

you seem to be more or less clueless about what constitutes Left and what constitutes Right. Feel better soon.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
64. Oh, you're one of those people. You're not reachable. But here's something to ponder anyway:
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:43 PM
Apr 2015

When you're a centrist, and you're calling people to the left of you right-wingers (presumably to feel better about the milquetoast positions you're taking), you need to take stock, because you're wrong about very basic and fundamental notions.

FSogol

(45,360 posts)
68. Sounds like someone took their parents praise too seriously.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:59 PM
Apr 2015

I find it hard to believe that the Daily Beast has great liberal credentials, but insult away...

Response to FSogol (Reply #68)

FSogol

(45,360 posts)
73. You're just mouthing off and acting condescending. My head in real life seldom
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:09 PM
Apr 2015

has any problems I can't handle.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
80. I haven't threatened you, but I'll be glad to insult your lack of comprehension.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:22 PM
Apr 2015

Item the first: I just got done calling you the Internet tough guy, or were you not able to derive that friom my statement about you acting different in your real life than you do on the Internet, as evidenced by your good health?

Item the second: you know I didn't threaten you. I know it. And we both know you used it in a subject line as a setup for a possible lock. Again, refer back to cowardice as it relates to you.

Finally, show me and everyone else where I threatened you. You made the false accusation. You to,d a lie. You're being called on it now. Produce results or enjoy being known as someone whose word and character are of no account.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
85. You made a false accusation, you were called on it, and your response is a yawn.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:43 PM
Apr 2015

I'm not surprised. Your character dictates how you'll respond to a thing, so you've behaved as expected. I'd like to think better about fellow Democrats, but I learned a good while back from people like you that this is not possible. I'm ending this because this is enough Internet drama to last me a year. I don't want anything to do with someone like you,with someone willing to tell lies in an attempt to harm someone's character after slinging insults about a person's parentage and upbringing. What's wrong with you?

FSogol

(45,360 posts)
15. Third rate hit piece on O'Malley, From the Wash post article, the heckler,
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:31 PM
Apr 2015

on a motorcylce was a housing developer and obviously some rw clown. Two hecklers and a bs comment from rw governor in over his head are enough to doom a campaign?

Really?

Why do DUers keep falling for this RW bullshit?

Check this out for the real perspective:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026584386

Hogan has to be worried because everyone is seeing a real leader, not some RW skunk begging Chris Christie to send more cops.

FSogol

(45,360 posts)
21. Hogan looks like a scared kid. When the problem is the police, he wants more police.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:34 PM
Apr 2015

He actually begged NJ Gov Chris Christe to send him more.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
29. President Obama has been blamed, the Baltimore mayor has been blamed,
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:41 PM
Apr 2015

and now they're trying to blame Martin O'Malley.

You know who I blame? The officers.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
36. omalley decriminalized mj
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:45 PM
Apr 2015

that only makes him worth looking at

the war on mj has been the most expensive counter productive thing our nation has done recently

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
50. not at all but
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:08 PM
Apr 2015

i hate the govt wasting my money to keep us safe from potheads


pretty ballsy for omalley to break away from the usual dem stance of "treatment not jail"

the drug court stuff sets people up to fail and again very expensive,with mj i just dont think there is a need for the govt to interfere with something safer than alcohol

i do support heroin,meth,crack being illegal

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
51. Lettuce prey upon the minerals and chemistry we require
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:09 PM
Apr 2015

Life has no risks it has not overcome. That which never started never ends.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
89. Nope, I'm suggesting that citing her father is about the worst possible way
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:02 PM
Apr 2015

to claim she must be a liberal.

As for Alternet, they seem to think O'Malley only used one policing strategy during his entire time as mayor. Pretty damn shallow analysis. But hey, they agree with the Republican governor, so they must be liberal....or something.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
90. I can find you a dozen more "liberal" links that are saying the same thing about O'Malley.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:09 PM
Apr 2015

I think the riots in Baltimore have shut the door on his chances. That's just my opinion, YMMV.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
103. Too bad
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:09 AM
May 2015

but it's good that it happened now, rather than after he was picked as the nominee just before the election.

He could not have known the consequences of his actions and his lack of knowledge of police brutality on the blacks/coloreds and how it would affect his term.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,085 posts)
105. OFFS, what a load of tripe.
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:36 AM
May 2015

Way to drag the family name through the mud, Jackie.

Perhaps O'Malley was heckled by some. Perhaps some do think it's just political grandstanding on his part. Perhaps O'Malley does need to answer questions about some of his policies as mayor.

At this point, I don't care. For whatever criticisms may be launched at Martin O'Malley, at least he's giving some effort to connect with the people of the city he used to lead.

Jackie Kucinich wants to hold O'Malley up against Larry Hogan? Are you freaking kidding me?

Look at this man:

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Every ounce of that man's body language screams, "I don't want to be here." Hogan has made zero effort to try and connect with the people of Baltimore. None. All he's done is walk around the city with a dazed look on his face and go crying to his buddy Chris Christie for help.

Give me a break. Complete and utter hogwash.

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