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JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:42 PM Apr 2015

$15,000 Per Course is Fair

Faculty Join Fast Food in the Fight for $15

Justin Miller April 16, 2015


On campuses across the country, adjunct professors are starting to organize against rock-bottom pay and tenuous job security.

As yesterday’s Fight for $15 protests wound to a close across the country, it’s become clear that this movement is not a fleeting effort—it’s here to stay. The focal point has primarily been on the most visible low-wage workers...However, another employment sector that’s not typically associated with low wages was prominent yesterday as well: the American professoriate.

Higher education institutions in the United States employ more than a million adjunct professors. This new faculty majority, about 70 percent of the faculty workforce, is doing the heavy lifting of academic instruction. These are positions with tenuous job security (often semester-by-semester), sparse instructional resources, limited academic freedom, and meager wages—the average working adjunct makes around $3,000 per three-credit course. An astounding 20 percent of part-time adjunct faculty rely on government assistance, according to a recent report from NBC News.

...While fast food workers called for $15 an hour, adjuncts rallied for a base pay of $15,000 per course—an aspirational standard initiated by SEIU’s new Faculty Forward campaign.

https://prospect.org/article/faculty-join-fast-food-fight-15


The Fight For 15--- $15 Per Hour AND $15,000 Per Course
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$15,000 Per Course is Fair (Original Post) JimDandy Apr 2015 OP
What is the per-hour equivalent of the "$15,000 per course" they are asking? n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #1
Assuming 9 hours per week rogerashton Apr 2015 #2
45k for teaching a 3 credit hour course? phil89 Apr 2015 #3
You wrote 100/hr where I think you mean 10/hr. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #5
I think its $100+ and its never going to happen unless someone is a rare expert. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #7
I received a 15k a year stipend as a grad student Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #8
So did I, but the work was for GA and not adjunct/part-time faculty. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #10
A semester is usually 15 weeks long central scrutinizer Apr 2015 #4
Also has to do research and reading to stay current Sanity Claws Apr 2015 #28
It's equivalent is better likened to a salary-based employee. JimDandy Apr 2015 #6
$15K per course is way too high. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #9
No...it's $62.50/hr...and with ZERO benefits. JimDandy Apr 2015 #11
A 3-credit course is generally not 15 hours of work per week. This is part-time work. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #18
Close family...not self. JimDandy Apr 2015 #19
Let me break it down from someone who is closer than you. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #24
They are positioning that figure as enlightenment Apr 2015 #14
I guess so, but its bizarrely high. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #25
College should be like $5. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #12
there's more to it than just the time in class lecturing. Student meetings, grading papers... TeamPooka Apr 2015 #13
Exactly. JimDandy Apr 2015 #17
$15K would be ridiculously high. Depending on where the adjunct teaches, $5K seems about right Vattel Apr 2015 #15
$15,000/course is just above a living wage... JimDandy Apr 2015 #16
$150,000 a year is just above a living wage? bornskeptic Apr 2015 #27
When I was an adjunct, I worked, as I said then, 2/3 time for 1/3 time money and no benefits Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2015 #20
It is outrageous that 70% of the teaching load is carried by adjuncts. JimDandy Apr 2015 #21
Anyone here actually work as an adjunct? Thespian2 Apr 2015 #22
That is terrible! Hopefully more adjuncts start weighing in. JimDandy Apr 2015 #23
I was already retired... Thespian2 Apr 2015 #26
That's about right..and... prairierose Apr 2015 #29
yes. It was in the 1990s. It was just to gain experience. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #30
I do. Due to my union, I make just under $30k a year for teaching 2 courses each semester. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #32
I currently earn $4500/course as an adjunct Bad Thoughts Apr 2015 #33
I double-checked my math -- rogerashton Apr 2015 #31
Related: Connecticut man earns more money working at a grocery store than as a college professor PoliticAverse May 2015 #34

rogerashton

(3,918 posts)
2. Assuming 9 hours per week
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:01 PM
Apr 2015

(3 in class and 6 in prep/grading) and a 15 week semester, that's roughly $100 per hour. Similarly $3000 per course is about $20 per hour.

This should be compared with pay for expert consulting, and I am considered way cheap at $2000/day, i.e. about $300 per hour. Not that I get much of that kind of work -- I only do it if it is fun anyway. Real consultants expect more as it is nofunatall.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
7. I think its $100+ and its never going to happen unless someone is a rare expert.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:31 PM
Apr 2015

hourly rate = $15000/(9x15) = $111.11

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
8. I received a 15k a year stipend as a grad student
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:34 PM
Apr 2015

on top of tuition being paid, and only taught a single course each semester. I wasn't exactly a rare expert.

(Edit, of course, that would be easier to understand if I'd mentioned what tuition was running at that point. Where I went, I think it was around 4-5k a semester. So my total reimbursement wasn't quite the 30k as if I'd been paid 15k a course, but it also covered summer tuition, which got me over the 2/3 mark. And that was as a grad student, not a professor of any type.)

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
10. So did I, but the work was for GA and not adjunct/part-time faculty.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:39 PM
Apr 2015

My GA was for 20 hours per week not 9.

I was also expected to not work elsewhere. I was expected to produce publishable research.

Its not really the same thing.

central scrutinizer

(11,617 posts)
4. A semester is usually 15 weeks long
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:11 PM
Apr 2015

But an instructor will do a lot of prep a couple of weeks before and has to grade final exams and papers afterward, so maybe 18 weeks. Prep for lectures, class time, office hours, writing and grading homework, quizzes, exams, papers during the term. May also be committee work required by the department. All that considered, maybe $20-$23 per hour. And he or she likely does not have benefits so has to buy health insurance out of that.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
6. It's equivalent is better likened to a salary-based employee.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:30 PM
Apr 2015

Adjuncts often are given only 1 or 2 courses to teach--that would be $15,000 to $30,000 total per semester ($30-000 to $60,000 per year). And it has to cover everything, because adjuncts receive no benefits: no healthcare for themselves or their family members and no pensions. It has to cover all the hours they consult with students (often with no office space provided to them), grade papers, and develop course outlines, assignments and tests. And those that teach the basic courses like Biology 101 often have an auditorium-filled number of students to manage.

Just as an estimate though, I can easily see an adjunct with a 2 course load working about 30 hours per week instructing, consulting and preparing for those courses, which is the very low end of the "full-time" work scale.

I don't know how an adjunct with 2 courses to teach current manages to live on pay of $3,000/course...even with food stamps.





aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
9. $15K per course is way too high.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:37 PM
Apr 2015

That's roughly $111/hr and probably more than most full professors make on an hourly wage when the 9-month contract is broken down).

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
11. No...it's $62.50/hr...and with ZERO benefits.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:16 PM
Apr 2015

for an adjunct teaching (2) three-credit-hour courses per semester (work equivalent of about 30 hrs/week). $30,000/(16 weeks/semester x 30 hrs) = $62.50/hr

So, deduct the ObamaCare premiums for all members in the adjunct's family from that, and also deduct from that the pension match a tenured professor receives and you can see that the value the adjunct professor (who is probably also paying off student loans for his/her graduate level degree) is actually getting is a lot less than $62.50/hr even.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
18. A 3-credit course is generally not 15 hours of work per week. This is part-time work.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:27 PM
Apr 2015

You're scaling this pay way above most full professor pay.

Do you have any experience in academics?

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
19. Close family...not self.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:31 PM
Apr 2015

Teachers and text book authors among them.

And, again, with everything accounted for (prep time etc) and deducted (ObamaCare premiums) that I mentioned in earlier posts, this amount reflects a per hour pay below tenured professors.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
24. Let me break it down from someone who is closer than you.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 04:03 PM
Apr 2015

At most 4 year schools, tenure-track assistant profs are making $50K - 60K initially and $80K - $100K at full prof.

http://www.cupahr.org/surveys/files/salary2015/FHE4-2015-Executive-Summary.pdf

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On a 9-month schedule (36 weeks and 40 hours per week), the new prof at $60K is making $41/hr and at $100K the full prof is making $69 before subtracting health and other fees. At the universities where I have worked, the faculty are working on 15-credit hour work load where credit-hours are reassigned for scholarly or service activities. Another way of looking at it, is that a non-tenure track full-time lecturer teachers 5 3-credit courses within the 40 hours. Those lecturers generally get paid less than incoming tenure-track faculty. From this calculation, a lecturer gets about 8 hours per course (3 in lecture and 5 outside). Practices vary at different universities, but what I've described is common.

By your guidelines of 15K per course, someone teaching 5 courses a semester would make $90 over 9 months without any of the additional responsibilities of tenure track academic rank.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
14. They are positioning that figure as
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:31 PM
Apr 2015

an aspirational standard, not a reality. It is designed to trigger conversation (see: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/02/09/union-sets-aspirational-goal-adjunct-pay) but I think they're making a mistake doing it.

I'm an adjunct - though I think this semester is my last because I can't continue to live like this - and I don't think the conversation is going to go the way they want it to go - note the direction this brief thread has turned in short order.

Most people aren't going to see the point behind using the figure. They're going to see "$15,000 per course" and come unglued - particularly with the focus on the cost of higher education.

TeamPooka

(24,156 posts)
13. there's more to it than just the time in class lecturing. Student meetings, grading papers...
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:25 PM
Apr 2015

course prep. This is stuff that doesn't happen during class hours and it's why we are talking about living wages. Living wages means they can live while they teach and work. for the entire length of the course.
Can you live for 15 weeks on 3K?

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
17. Exactly.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:22 PM
Apr 2015

It is impossible for one person, let alone a family of 3 (living wage) to survive on, hence the need for food stamps. What a wretched situation.

My cousin was given only 1 course to teach the last time around. She couldn't do it any more...she's now retired, living on social security and teaching community classes at her leisure and on her time schedule, which she enjoys so much more.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
15. $15K would be ridiculously high. Depending on where the adjunct teaches, $5K seems about right
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:45 PM
Apr 2015

Nearly everyone in any academic department at any university in the USA prefers full-time tenure track positions to adjunct positions (except when the adjunct position is a means of supporting and training its own grad students). To save money many universities have gravitated more towards adjunct or CNTT (continuing non-tenure track) positions or both. If the pay for an adjunct becomes too high, then adjunct positions will be replaced by full-time positions, which would be great. The higher the pay the fewer adjunct positions there will be, and I am all for that. In the real world, though, even $10K is not gonna happen any time soon in most places.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
16. $15,000/course is just above a living wage...
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:08 PM
Apr 2015

A living wage is what Democrats are working for...not just for the McDonalds and Wally World employees, but for all workers. See post #11 for the explanation.

Adjuncts already often work minimum full-time (30 hrs/week)...they just don't reap the benefits of it.

A living wage is the amount it would take to sustain the worker plus 2 of his/her dependents wherever they live. $5,000/course is not a living wage anywhere. Your $10,000 figure is, in some places. $15,000 is a living wage in NYC, but it should be the standard because an adjunct had to pay for 2 higher education degrees to get the teaching position, and they are worth that!

bornskeptic

(1,330 posts)
27. $150,000 a year is just above a living wage?
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 04:11 PM
Apr 2015

I teach 9 or 10 three hour courses a year. I'm not an adjunct, but I'm not tenured either. Most years I have to wait until a week or so before classes start in the Fall to find out if I'm going to have a contract. My pay, including benefits, comes to about $6000 per course. I think I should get at least $8000, but $15,000 is far beyond anything I've ever aspired to. I'd be getting more than any of the tenured faculty in my department other than the Chair. Of course, they don't teach more than three or four courses. Still, I know I'm extremely fortunate compared to adjuncts. They should probably be making at least as much per course as I make now.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
20. When I was an adjunct, I worked, as I said then, 2/3 time for 1/3 time money and no benefits
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:42 PM
Apr 2015

In those days, beginning full-time assistant professors, who taught three to four courses per semester, were making about $1800 a month (35 years ago). I was making $600 a month.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
21. It is outrageous that 70% of the teaching load is carried by adjuncts.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:47 PM
Apr 2015

So many other things in the adjunct hiring situation need to be fixed in addition to the base pay.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
22. Anyone here actually work as an adjunct?
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:52 PM
Apr 2015

In Virginia (2000), I was paid $750 per course...2 courses = $1500...benefits = $0...hours per week = 14...hours worked away from the college = 20...total hours = 510

Total pay without benefits = $2.95 per hour

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
26. I was already retired...
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 04:11 PM
Apr 2015

I knew some people who held adjunct jobs at 3 universities and still only eked out a bare living.

In graduate school at U of H, I took two classes and taught two classes...I was paid $4000 per year.
My girl-friend supported us.

A student, paying exorbitant fees, will not necessarily be taught by experienced professors.

prairierose

(2,145 posts)
29. That's about right..and...
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 04:30 PM
Apr 2015

though you are talking about the past, it is still that way for most adjuncts.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
32. I do. Due to my union, I make just under $30k a year for teaching 2 courses each semester.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 06:03 PM
Apr 2015

This is about enough to be able to afford to live in your car in the SF bay area, but fortunately my spouse has a better job.

Bad Thoughts

(2,514 posts)
33. I currently earn $4500/course as an adjunct
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 06:17 PM
Apr 2015

Luckily, I've been teaching what the university considers a "double-sized" course, so they pay me $9000. Unfortunately, I have no TA with whom to work, so when the grading hits, it hits hard.

How much do I work: I'm on campus 3 hrs for teaching and 3hrs for office hours. I review materials for another 6-8 hours. Grading (4 times per semester) takes me an additional 6-12 hours. Those numbers would be higher if they were two separate courses. I receive no benefit (I'll get charge deeply if I show up at the university's hospital, which is SHIP only), so I rely on my wife's health insurance. I get charged for parking, taken from my paycheck.

And of course, I have no security. The university doesn't need me next semester, but might in the Spring.

rogerashton

(3,918 posts)
31. I double-checked my math --
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:58 PM
Apr 2015

$111.11 per hour. But, of course, that is no better than the assumptions. The "2 hours of preparation out of class for every hour in" is a traditional standard but makes sense only for an elementary course. And, if we are billing by the hour, $100 per hour does not seem to me unrealistic for a person with doctorate-level preparation. However --

In many universities, a full-time prof is expected to teach four courses a term (with no expectation of publications) and perform some service. So that makes 4*9=36 hours teaching and 4 hours in committee meetings=40 hours. That's the basis of the nine hours per week number. One of my correspondents, and a user of my textbook, taught 5 courses and coached the basketball team, but I think coaching was part of his compensation, not his workload. I messaged "At least there's no heavy lifting." He messaged "I carried two boxes of textbooks up to the fifth floor for my class today."

Anyway. a position like that could pay from 40,000 to 150,000 depending on field and seniority, plus benefits which will probably be equivalent to no less than one-sixth of the base; thus, roughly, 6000 to 20000 per course. If research and publication are expected, the teaching load will usually be less, sometimes much less.

Real world: I'm doing two courses this quarter, each four credits, four hours per week. In one, the one for which I wrote a textbook, I can probably slide by with 4 hours of prep and grading, though of course I have invested a lot of hours in it in the past. For the other, 6 hours a week meeting students is realistic, plus about ten a week reading and correcting papers. Twenty hours a week if I am lucky. And the committees! And I am expected to do some publishable research.

To make a living as an adjunct, though, a person will have to find positions at several institutions. No pay for driving time. Adjuncts usually don't have offices. The office is the trunk of the car. Meeting with students? Well, I know some that meet with their students in the coffee shop, but honestly, it isn't expected. Grading can be kept to a minimum by using the multiple choice questions that are provided at the support website for the textbook, but the students can download the answers -- and they do, we have data on this -- and this is the sort of standard that the universities are paying for, at best. Of course, some adjuncts sacrifice themselves to much longer hours to do the job, and some adjuncts bring to the course their professional experience, as, for example, a librarian teaching in a library science program. But -- here's my point -- the reliance on adjuncts is at the same time exploiting vulnerable workers and swindling students.

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