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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:58 PM Apr 2015

The Rude Pundit - Shut the Fuck Up and Support Hillary: A Message of Blind Hope

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Rude Pundit feels your pain. He'd love, love, love for a real liberal to run for president. He says this pretty much every election, often supports whatever quixotic candidate is taking a shot this time until he (and, sadly, it's only been "he&quot drops out, and then votes for the moderate who he mostly agrees with on Supreme Court picks. In 2008, he supported Barack Obama because he thought the movement Obama had started would be transformative, not realizing that the president cared less about the movement than about governing frp, the presumptive middle (which, truth be told, Obama's pretty damn good at). Obama didn't move left. The middle moved right.

This time, though, it seems as if we're not getting the token liberal. And we're not getting anyone of color. Those who are remaining are either the white liberals who say they're not running - Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders - and the white dude who might - Martin O'Malley. If that liberal appeared, the Rude Pundit would love to jump on that bandwagon. But he or she won't be there this time. As much as we want to say that Hillary Clinton should have a primary candidate or whatever other bullshit we want to hide behind, the truth of the matter is, as everyone knows, very, very simple. Hillary Clinton is the nominee. She is more or less running as an incumbent. Last week, the Rude Pundit said this and was attacked on Twitter (which is the rhetorical equivalent of a gnat buzzing by you) for being racist because somehow he was dissing Obama. Sorry, but, Alan Keyes' paranoia aside, Obama can't run. And there is no man or woman of color who is even on the bench at this point, something that better be corrected or the Democrats will seem as out of touch as the Republicans.

So what are we left with? 18 months of bitching about what Hillary Clinton is not? 18 months of pretending like that will do a fucking thing to move her to the left on some of her positions? No, what'll it do is, one more time, take the left out of the equation. Because if there's one thing that Team Clinton knows is that most of the people who complain about her not being progressive enough on Wall Street, on foreign affairs, on immigration reform, will still vote for her because who the fuck else are they gonna vote for her? The ones who promise more Scalias and Alitos? Mike Huckabee? Jeb goddamn Bush?

Oh, you can say, "Well, I'll just stay home," and then you're a selfish fucking idiot who doesn't give a shit about the future. In her powerful Facebook post on how women of color should confront a Hillary Clinton candidacy, Jada Pinkett Smith (yeah, a celebrity) says, "The only question I have been asking myself is if I’m suppose to vote for Hillary because she is a woman; will she take us to the mountaintop with her or will women of color once again be left out and left behind?" But she concludes in the most hopeful way possible: "Women of color and white women have been taking on the majority of their fights on the political platform on separate lines; can Hillary Clinton change that legacy through her journey to become president? Because if she can...she would not only have my vote...but she would have my heart." You got that? Pinkett Smith says that she is voting for Hillary Clinton. But she wants Clinton to be something more.

That's why the title of this post is not a threat. It's not marching orders. It's an opportunity. What if the left coalesced behind Clinton and did so early? Clinton has already made one of her big issues a constitutional amendment restricting money in politics. That's some Lawrence Lessig-level shit right there, even if she's raising metric assloads of cash to run for president. What if, instead of the usual cycle of pretending we can get a moderate candidate to veer left by viciously tweeting and blogging and giving Fox "news" a chance to say, "See? The Left doesn't like Hillary," we just said, "Fuck it. We back her. Now let's talk policy"? What if we made ourselves players instead of giddy, powerless outsiders?

Obviously, it could backfire. Obviously, the votes could be taken for granted and Clinton could play us like we've been played so many times (and that's especially true for people of color). But that's what will happen if liberals decide to be the headless opposition, as we learned with Bill Clinton, as we learned, to an extent, with Barack Obama. At the very least, a different tactic during campaign season would force Clinton to deal with liberals in a different way. If there's one thing that we know about Hillary Clinton, it's that she can eviscerate or at least isolate those who seek to destroy her or her family.

And we know that she privileges loyalty. Maybe this time we could play it differently. Just shut the fuck up. Stop acting like there's gonna be any other choice. And behave as if this is the only one we have. Resignation doesn't have to be defeat.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2015/04/shut-fuck-up-and-support-hillary.html

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The Rude Pundit - Shut the Fuck Up and Support Hillary: A Message of Blind Hope (Original Post) meegbear Apr 2015 OP
so when will this tedious whiner announce he (?) is a candidate for president msongs Apr 2015 #1
"Obama didn't move left. The middle moved right. " hifiguy Apr 2015 #2
go fuck yourself, rude asswipe cali Apr 2015 #3
^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Apr 2015 #5
BWAHAHA! MineralMan Apr 2015 #7
lol cali Apr 2015 #10
I know you from your posts only. MineralMan Apr 2015 #27
Wow...touched a nerve eh? truebrit71 Apr 2015 #42
+1 for this statement alone ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #4
And then again, maybe some are fond of the Democratic Process where money doesn't elections. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #15
It's not about money as much as it is about polling. As in, Dems really want Hillary this time. This Metric System Apr 2015 #23
Dems want a Dem. Right now there is only Dem running. But other great Dems are getting ready to sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #34
Normally, I give the Rude Pundit a thumbs down. MineralMan Apr 2015 #6
You give the Rude One a thumbs down normally? Lol. I give him a thumbs up generally and for this sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #16
He must be tired RobertEarl Apr 2015 #35
Lol, you never know with the Rude one. He likes to stir things up! And that was a zinger coming sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #36
"Resignation doesn't have to be defeat." Paladin Apr 2015 #8
Political opposition is not hate. nt LWolf Apr 2015 #40
k&r... spanone Apr 2015 #9
I would like to see a Bernie Sanders candidacy, a strong primary could pull the debate to the left. Erose999 Apr 2015 #11
Engaging anyone during a campaign does nothing. All it does is encourage them to keep making sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #17
^^ This. n/t winter is coming Apr 2015 #25
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Fumesucker Apr 2015 #19
This ^^^^^ indeed! haikugal Apr 2015 #28
Stomach turning resignation from the Rude Pundit whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #12
+100 Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #13
Second dud from him this year. BlueStater Apr 2015 #14
K & R harris8 Apr 2015 #18
K & R Scurrilous Apr 2015 #20
Spot on, as usual. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #21
Thanks Rude... trumad Apr 2015 #22
Gosh, 'cause we've never tried that before. winter is coming Apr 2015 #24
I will vote for the candidate that best represents my views. Maedhros Apr 2015 #26
As always, the rude pundit is a realist tularetom Apr 2015 #29
so, it's basically the NAFTA model applied to elections, then? MisterP Apr 2015 #30
Ouch nil desperandum Apr 2015 #41
"put in your votes, time, and money, get SS cuts and Bangladeshi-level wages in return, and if you MisterP Apr 2015 #43
unrec the fail. n/t PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #31
That's...pretty stupid. Chathamization Apr 2015 #32
What does Pundit do when Bernie announces? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #33
STFU, swallow the cod liver oil, and FUCKING LIKE IT. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #37
Wow, total logical fail dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #38
I look at it more quaker bill Apr 2015 #39
Ha! Many in the RP fanclub will be unhappy with this one. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #44
Translation: Buy in, sell out, and eat your peas. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #45

msongs

(67,394 posts)
1. so when will this tedious whiner announce he (?) is a candidate for president
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:18 PM
Apr 2015

seeing as how he(?) has all the answers. personally I don't see any evidence in my area that hillary is annointed in any way. lots of time for other dems to announce if they choose to do so

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
2. "Obama didn't move left. The middle moved right. "
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:18 PM
Apr 2015

And until the Democratic party nominates someone who offers a real, positive liberal agenda, this will continue to happen until we wake up in a fascist/plutocratic dystopia that looks like Dickens' London but with the internet.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. go fuck yourself, rude asswipe
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:32 PM
Apr 2015

enjoy your shit sandwich. gulp it down, honey. but don't tell me what to do 16 months before the election.

oh yeah, fuck off.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
27. I know you from your posts only.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:37 PM
Apr 2015

They are who you are on DU. Beyond that, I'm not even curious.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
4. +1 for this statement alone ...
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:40 PM
Apr 2015
"Fuck it. We back her. Now let's talk policy"? What if we made ourselves players instead of giddy, powerless outsiders?


But then, maybe some like being giddy, powerless outsiders because it comes with no responsibility other than to gripe.

ETA: And oh yeah: Rude Pundit ... Under the bus you goooo!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
15. And then again, maybe some are fond of the Democratic Process where money doesn't elections.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:40 PM
Apr 2015

And no, the Rude one will never go under the bush, he's just tired, but we're not so we'll do the work for him this time.

Unlike people who can't take anyone disagreeing with them we don't throw people under the bus because they have given up on the democratic process. Can't really blame them. He knows the power of money and how much more of it there is each election cycle.
All he's trying to do is figure out a way to beat it.

He's wrong on this, but still love the Rude one ...

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
23. It's not about money as much as it is about polling. As in, Dems really want Hillary this time. This
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:02 PM
Apr 2015

is not 2008 redux when her numbers were much softer.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
34. Dems want a Dem. Right now there is only Dem running. But other great Dems are getting ready to
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:17 PM
Apr 2015

announce their candidacy so those Dems, and there are many, who are not looking for just one Dem, will now have a chance to get to know other candidates. Polls are going to change with others in the race.

And yes, it is ALL about money. But hopefully if we find a good candidate among those who are planning to run, the people can overcome the Billions going to the candidates chosen by those with the money to do so.

In fact I have a feeling this time, MONEY in our elections is going to be a big issue for many people.

Any polls on the Independent vote yet? Without that no one can win.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
6. Normally, I give the Rude Pundit a thumbs down.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:52 PM
Apr 2015

This time, not so much. He makes a point that is worth considering.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
16. You give the Rude One a thumbs down normally? Lol. I give him a thumbs up generally and for this
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:43 PM
Apr 2015

also because all he's doing is accepting and in his way, pointing out the awful state of affairs of our electoral system and struggling to find a different way for the people to beat a system that isn't working for them, but for the Big Donors who buy elections.

He's just tired, I sympathize with him but he'll rally when he sees things moving forward in the direction he has always hoped for.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
35. He must be tired
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:22 PM
Apr 2015

And he's gonna wake up tomorrow and ask himself.
"" what the fuck was I drinking when I wrote that pile of crap?"

Either that or say:
"" that was the best satirical piece I ever wrote. Look at all those who fell for it on DU."

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
36. Lol, you never know with the Rude one. He likes to stir things up! And that was a zinger coming
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:40 PM
Apr 2015

from him. I think he was hoping to get a 'WTF' reaction, which he got! And then a 'we'll show the Rude One how wrong he is'! Kind of a 'get off your rear ends or THIS is what we are left with'.

Paladin

(28,246 posts)
8. "Resignation doesn't have to be defeat."
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 04:05 PM
Apr 2015

DU Hillary Haters, consider yourselves schooled. Many thanks to the Rude Pundit for this.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
11. I would like to see a Bernie Sanders candidacy, a strong primary could pull the debate to the left.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 04:52 PM
Apr 2015

Regardless, the Left needs to engage Hillary. If we're not invited to the party we might as well crash it fer fucksakes. The question is how do we get inside the Hillary bubble?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
17. Engaging anyone during a campaign does nothing. All it does is encourage them to keep making
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:46 PM
Apr 2015

promises they don't plan to keep. Candidates are what they are, what they say in campaigns especially when their records show they haven't been saying those things throughout their careers, can be taken with a grain of salt and should be.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
14. Second dud from him this year.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:20 PM
Apr 2015

The first one was his "Christianity is just as harmful as Islam" rubbish right after the Charlie Hebdo tragedy.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
21. Spot on, as usual.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 06:32 PM
Apr 2015

The left will have her ear and consideration on all policy decisions, the right will tell us all to fuck off.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
26. I will vote for the candidate that best represents my views.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:16 PM
Apr 2015

If that candidate is Democratic, then great. If not, so be it.

I am through having my vote coerced.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
29. As always, the rude pundit is a realist
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:38 PM
Apr 2015

Unfortunately, he is correct in his analysis of the situation.

We're stuck with this godawful candidate whether we like it or not because she (with a little help from her friends) has scared away all potential opponents (and sucked up all the money) before the primaries have even begun.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
43. "put in your votes, time, and money, get SS cuts and Bangladeshi-level wages in return, and if you
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 01:56 PM
Apr 2015

don't like it, there's the god damn door"

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
32. That's...pretty stupid.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:05 PM
Apr 2015

I mean, they're right that tweeting and blogging against Clinton isn't going to make her go left. But it's just as silly to think that tweeting and blogging in favor of her is going to make her go right. "You idiots, we can't fly by flapping our arms! We have to flap our feet!" Eh...OK. Do they seriously think that Clinton is going to go, "Well, I WAS going to expand Social Security...but then I saw that joeschmuckblogger56 was against me and in favor of expanding Social Security, so I'm going to cut it."

I guess they're continuing a long and grand tradition of the "netroots" being clueless when it comes to anything related to politics beyond gossip.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
37. STFU, swallow the cod liver oil, and FUCKING LIKE IT.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:49 PM
Apr 2015

Take away the expletives and you find this asshat has about an eight word vocabulary, and doesn't use it very well.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
38. Wow, total logical fail
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:05 AM
Apr 2015

"What if, instead of the usual cycle of pretending we can get a moderate candidate to veer left by viciously tweeting and blogging and giving Fox "news" a chance to say, "See? The Left doesn't like Hillary," we just said, "Fuck it. We back her. Now let's talk policy"? What if we made ourselves players instead of giddy, powerless outsiders? "

She's going to talk policy with us? Really? Why? And what's with the giddy snark, noone is giddy, we're hating having to oppose these policies that are running in our names. It sucks. Instead of powerless outsiders wee will be powerless dupes. Been there, done that, no more.

Why no more for me? We really are on the road to oligarchy and climate catastrophe, no more time for business as usual.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
39. I look at it more
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:55 AM
Apr 2015

If we are going to be played, and we are, what role can we take in determining the terms of the game?

The Rude one is correct, Hillary is the candidate whether I like it or not. She should be able to hand a major defeat to any of the occupants of the Republican clown car. She has hired a number of BHO's big data guys, and we know what they can deliver.

I like Bernie, I like Joe Biden, and I like Elizabeth Warren. Of them Warren is the only one that could come close to pulling off the upset, Obama style. Warren is not running, and Hillary now knows that path and would sufficiently defend it to prevent another end run around her big state dominance. It is over already. I hope Bernie and O'Malley run simply for the debates and the free media they provide our side. It would be good to get the larger concepts spoken even in defeat.

I find it time to simply quiet down and elect Hillary. She is not everything I want and is unlikely to ever be such, but she is not another Bush*, and as unfortunate as this is, he is the best they have to offer, it only goes downhill sharply from there.

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