Hillary Clinton Is Too Ambitious To Be The First Female President

[Skinner]

A thought-provoking commentary from 2006. Worth re-reading this time around...

Hillary Clinton Is Too Ambitious To Be The First Female President
The Onion
May 24, 2006
By Gerald Collins



I think it's about time we had a female president of the United States. I don't care what anyone says: Women can be just as smart and qualified as men—especially the clowns we've had in Washington lately. But Hillary Clinton? She's just a little too ambitious to do what no woman before her has ever done.

Hillary seems to think she knows what our country needs better than anyone else, and believes that she, among the hundreds or thousands of qualified politicians, is the only one who can do it. Is that really the sort of person we want at the helm of our federal government?

Not to mention that she's extremely self-promoting. She spends almost all her time these days going to fundraising events dedicated to raising money for—you guessed it—Hillary Clinton. She's always popping up in the news with a new initiative she's spearheading or some kind of complaint against the president. I don't want to use the B word, but she seems awfully bossy to head an executive branch that employs 450,000 people.

Sen. Clinton always wants to be throwing her opinion around about this bill or that law. I saw her on Meet The Press just last week. Every time Tim Russert would take her to task on one issue or another, she'd come right back at him with some sort of smart answer. She needs to learn that sometimes you need to just accept your place; it's not polite to always act like you know things. Not to mention the fact that, as a working woman, she should take those precious Sundays to spend some time with her family, not to meet with the press on national television.

More: http://www.theonion.com/articles/hillary-clinton-is-too-ambitious-to-be-the-first-f,11229/

[leftofcool]

1. LOl!

[still_one]

2. yup, "women should know their place".......... I suspect many republicans would agree with the

Onion

[CottonBear]

3. LOL!

[boston bean]

4. lol

[NYC_SKP]

5. All I'm asking is that we have a primary. Please.

If Secretary Clinton becomes the candidate, that's fine.

But can we pause for a moment and assess the potential consequences of acquiescence to a largely corporate and media and poll (they are really one thing) created meme of inevitability?

FWIW.

[boston bean]

17. You've already stated umpteem times you will not vote for her in the general if she is the

nominee....

You stating something different here?

[NYC_SKP]

19. What I've stated is clear for all to read.

And you are absolutely right, she won't need my vote in the general election.

In the reply above I'm stating that it may not be healthy for out democracy to effectively squash a primary.

You can read it for yourself. It's right up there.

[boston bean]

20. Who is squashing a primary?? And I do happen to have some reading comprehension

it is clear you have stated umpteen times you will not vote for her in the general if she is the nominee.

[DeadLetterOffice]

36. The advantage to living in New York...

... is that you can choose to support an alternate candidate, or none at all, with absolutely no fear that your vote or lack thereof will affect the fact that the state is going to go to the Democratic candidate.

The disadvantage to living in New York is that your vote feels pretty worthless sometimes, for exactly the same reason.

[boston bean]

39. I live in MA, and I don't feel my vote is useless. nt

[DeadLetterOffice]

44. I'm happy for you.

I live in upstate. My national and state level votes often feel useless, since (1) downstate will ALWAYS (thankfully!) will carry the state Democratic, and (2) I live in Republican central, and my local votes will ALWAYS get swallowed by the great red tides.

Doesn't mean I don't vote.

[lark]

67. I was happy living in CA.

where I could rest assured that my state wouldn't vote for the working class killing Repugs. Living in FL, not so easy, we get bombarded with election commercials constantly and always fear what the asshole redneck teabaggers will do to us.

[Goblinmonger]

126. So you aren't going to vote for her if she gets the nomination?

Cause that is kind of what it sounds like you are saying.

[robbob]

54. I won't vote for her under any circumstance!

But then again, I'm Canadian and back home living in Canada! 😝

[LovingA2andMI]

57. Nice to be a Canadian

No Browbeating for your vote is necessary. By the way, in Canada -- do they declare a candidate has won a Party Primary Election, hook, line and sinker without a primary? Probably not.....

[robbob]

97. I dunno, Justin Trudeau was pretty much the 'chosen one'

But of course in Canada the leader of the country is just another elected member if parliament chosen by the party to be it's leader, the 'prime' minister. So really just 2 levels of government (well 3 if you include the queens rep, the governer general), and 2 of those 3 levels are almost purely a rubber stamp for whatever laws are enacted by parliament.

When I see all the gridlock in Washington between congress, the senate, and the potus I think sometimes we have a better system, albeit with fewer checks and balances perhaps...

[wolfie001]

123. When I see what the Alberta Oil Sands looks like.....

.....I kinda wish Canada had a few more checks and balances.


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[PatrynXX]

62. what does that have anything to do with anything

smh

will I or wont I.. I've said the same thing. If she hasn't earned back my trust by Nov 2016 I probably wont and right now she's rather conservative by that I mean she's well to the right of Obama. Why do we keep putting in people who are more and more right wing.

and the country is now center left smh that and she has severe damage control over blacks voting. She had them with a song until something she said and she lost them all.

[boston bean]

63. One must be willing to follow along in a discussion... the reason for pointing it out was

him writing this:

If Secretary Clinton becomes the candidate, that's fine.

[olegramps]

120. I support your comments. I have no use for so-called Democrats who don't support our candidate.

[SecularMotion]

27. Man Accidentally Shoots Mother-In-Law After Bullet Bounces Off Armadillo

Police say 54-year-old Larry McElroy fired his 9mm pistol at the animal in Lee County, Georgia, before the bullet ricocheted off its armour, hit a fence then smashed through the back door hitting her in the back.

Unfortunately, the poor animal died in the process, but his mother-in-law is set to make a full recovery.

http://www.unilad.co.uk/articles/man-accidentally-shoots-mother-in-law-after-bullet-bounces-off-armadillo/

[Starry Messenger]

6. After the last 48 hours on here, I thought this was serious.

lol

[boston bean]

8. +1000

[hlthe2b]

7. I cringe reading this.. not because it is Onion satire, but because it rings so true to the belief

of so many towards not only Hillary Clinton, but so many successful women.

And, unfortunately, it is not limited to the Neanderthals of the RW. Clinton will have her detractors, as all politicians do.... But, I beseech my democratic colleagues to examine how much of your disdain for Hillary Clinton (or other female politicians) is truly ideological and not something less defensible.

[boston bean]

9. So true, H! nt

[hlthe2b]

102. ...

[joeybee12]

10. The Onion always gets it right...knr

[MineralMan]

11. Good satire.

[Adrahil]

12. Another winner!

History isn't made by well-behaved women! Go Hillary!

[ismnotwasm]

13. LOL!

Perfect satire

[99Forever]

14. Nice!

And dripping with plenty of condescending goodness.

[Geronimoe]

15. Hillary's logo

Doesn't it look like a sign to the Hospital's ER? Code Blue, stat.

If Bill hadn't deregulated the banksters. If Hillary hadn't voted along with many in the Senate to give Bush AUMF, and if Hillary hadn't voted to bailout the banksters..... everyday Americans wouldn't need triage.

[DURHAM D]

21. Are you in the right thread?

or perhaps you post the same drivel everywhere

[rhett o rick]

28. This thread was posted in GD where dissenting opinions are welcome.

We are Democrats, we don't march in lock-step.

[Geronimoe]

29. So sorry

Dear Hillbot, I am so sorry if my post made your brain hurt.

I'm all for resuscitating the Democrats. Uunfortunately Hillary's 24 years of playing it safe inside the DC beltway is not leadership.

[DURHAM D]

30. You posted your comment in thread

that was not about her logo. My brain is fine but you are not tracking.


Enjoy your stay.

[AgingAmerican]

34. Thread police

nt

[BlueCaliDem]

35. They're coming out of the woodwork

to post anti-Hillary Clinton posts. The moment they get called on it, they stop posting in the hope to save their account on this site.

[SidDithers]

121. Yup...

Posting privileges before principles.

If they have to self-censor to stay within the TOS, what's their purpose for posting here?

Sid

[BlueCaliDem]

122. That *is* the $64,000 dollar question, isn't it, Sid? eom

[Geronimoe]

41. It's an Onion article

I thought Onion articles are pretty much open comment threads. I mean these are not going to be seriously analyzed and discussed.

[Beacool]

38. Hillbot?

You are on a Democratic site, the name calling RW sites are to your right.

[Geronimoe]

45. You're the one acting like right winger

With your attempted authoritarian censorship. It is sad that "real" Democrats can not discuss strengths and weaknesses of their Wall Street chosen candidate. And that their actual record is off the table.

[Beacool]

51. I don't censor anyone, it was a request.

I abhor censorship. I'm just requesting than on a Democratic site we refrain from calling Democrats who we don't like by the same pejorative names that the RW uses. We should be better than them.

Good manners are a requisite of every social gathering, even an online community.

[boston bean]

52. Ok, I'm not going to vote for her because of the EXTREMELY important issue of her LOGO!

Really... wtf???

[Dr Hobbitstein]

81. Lots of low post Hillary bashers...

With little to no substance.
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[truebrit71]

128. I prefer my lerger....

...although the one she chose clearly indicates her policy directions more accurately....

[snooper2]

96. Alert Fail

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You're the one acting like right winger
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6505159

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

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[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

109. A lot of posters on DU used the term Obamabot

and that was during his first term. Don't know if they were RW sock puppets or not.

[truebrit71]

127. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight because Hillbots never name-call right?

Were you here during the primary between Obama and Clinton? Unreal some of things being said...

[one_voice]

49. why the rudeness?

[stonecutter357]

64. rwnj.

[Duppers]

112. Are you on the correct political site?

????

[snort]

56. Looks like my swim shorts when I'm at the beach.

[Cha]

116. This says more about your attempts to hi-jack a thread than anything else.

[Agschmid]

16. Kick.

[tammywammy]

18. k&r n/t

[Paladin]

22. Way too close to the non-satirical Hillary-bashing on DU, every day. (nt)

[BlueCaliDem]

37. Agreed. Isn't that sad? eom

[rurallib]

23. Once again it is hard to tell reality from the Onion

How do they stay in business?

[niyad]

24. "a woman's place is in the house, and the senate, and wherever the hell she wants to be!"

?v=1382440184

[Orsino]

25. Magnificent and still timely. n/t

[nolabear]

26. Uppity women.

We just might save the world.

[calimary]

31. No "might" about it, my sister!

[Beacool]

32. I had forgotten about that article, thanks for posting it.

Women who are ambitious are bitches. Men with that same trait are assertive. How dare women behave like men, don't they know their place?

Let's just keep focusing on Hilary's hairstyles, pantsuits, age, weight, laughter, voice and the size of her backside and ankles. Those are the things that really matter when choosing a public official of the female persuasion.

[central scrutinizer]

91. Make your Fox news bingo cards

Presidential Bingo
Descriptors for Male Candidates versus Descriptors for Female Candidates

Assertive vs. Bossy
Assertive vs. Bitchy
Assertive vs. Abrasive
Assertive vs. Shrill
Compassionate vs. Weak
Compassionate vs. Emotional
Emotional vs. Hysterical
Ambitious vs. Pushy
Analytical vs. Frigid

And don't forget the middle square: Benghazi

[Beacool]

106. Too true.....

[MannyGoldstein]

33. K&R! Many DUers seem to feel this way, for real!

Regards,

TWM

[boston bean]

43. Third way manny, being used as cover for the real manny, once again.

Glad to see you've put in your two cents.

[BainsBane]

58. He banned me from his group

because I questioned his comparing himself to Ghandi.

[boston bean]

59. LOL! That is sweeeeet! hahaha

[MannyGoldstein]

66. You were banned for a personal attack.

Imagine: a group without personal attacks. The horror!

[BainsBane]

68. Is the SOP for the group

Mahatma Manny?

[MannyGoldstein]

98. You win the Internets

I was confusing PRDP with another group, SOP does not (yet) say no personal attacks, so you'll be reinstated.

[joshcryer]

117. Yes, that group is a paragon of personal kindness.

No attacks on anyone whatsoever going on over there.

[seabeyond]

74. oh my. lol. gotta link? hmmmm. nt

[BainsBane]

77. Sure!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=5870

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=5873

Pony reference relates to his response to this OP of mine: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026503192

[seabeyond]

80. oh noes.... i did not know about this group. hmmmm. making much more sense. nt

[Number23]

118. We'll add you to the looooong list of people that had no idea this group existed until today

And my, what a magnificent first impression they are making!

[seabeyond]

125. they are advocating another party, take over from du to pu and encouraging dems to stay home

in droves if clinton is the nominee.

and that is allowed?

that is just the little i read.

no wonder gd is a mess.

first we have di, welcoming the rw. then du welcomes another party?

[seabeyond]

83. pony reference, too funny. he, couldnt make it thru his OP.

couldnt make it past the first lines or so. but, wow.

[seabeyond]

73. +1. nt

[SidDithers]

124. Nailed it...nt

Sid

[seabeyond]

40. this is all i am sayin'. the clarity after just a couple days. very interesting.

i guess it is time for me to jump in and start following politics. i stepped away letting obama do his thing, in argument/discussion on DU. but, it appears, it is time to start following what is happening. i am going to have a handful of very young adults educate me one way or another.

[zeemike]

42. So it is about ambitious women now.

And nothing to do with what that ambitious woman stands for or what she has done?

If the only thing we want is a woman for a president then we are in big trouble come 2016.

Give me a strong woman and I will work my ass off to get her elected, but not just because she is a woman but because she is a democratic woman that stands for democratic values.
And we have one but she cannot run because it is Hillarys turn...and she is qualified because she has done nothing else in life besides politics and can raise a billion dollars.

This will not turn out well.

[Skinner]

46. Um, Hillary Clinton isn't a "strong woman"?

That's a new one.

[zeemike]

53. You missed the point.

There are other strong women and I love them all...But I want a strong women that has strong Democratic values not just one because she is a woman.

But no doubt we will get HRC because the party has spoken and they want her...but I predict Jeb will win it because we offered the people more of the same and he is new despite his name...and because they have a ton of ammo to shoot her down with.

But we will see.

[lark]

70. There's a ton of ammo against Jeb too.

Bring it on!!

[zeemike]

92. Really? like what?

That has been on national msm for decades?...kids old enough to vote have heard it about Clinton their entire life, all they need is to be reminded of it...they know little about Jeb and the MSM is unlikely to inform them.

[lark]

94. The fact that he's a total liar for one.

He runs for governor on the platform of cleaning up the everglade, gets a bill, approves it to much fanfare. The next thing he quietly did was have the house and senate pass another bill completely invalidating the first one, so the sugar companies never have to pay for the clean-up. He also (like his brother) had several email accounts and can't provide any on any important topic. Also - Terry Schiavo!

And, face it, he is a Bush, and there is more Bush fatigure than Clinton. There's been 2 Bush presidents, only 1 Clinton so far.

[zeemike]

101. Well take a poll and see how many people know about that.

Virtually no one. so you will need to do a whole lot of work to get it out.
Then take a poll to see how many know about Whitewater, Monicagate, Benghazi, and a dozen or so scandals that have been on the TV for hundreds of hours...practically everyone will know about it and all you have to do is remind them a little.

And the Bush brand stigma is canceled out by the Clinton one...you have no argument about dynasties...Clinton is Jeb's best choice to run against...and why I am convinced it will be Jeb, not the clown car bunch...they are running for VP or just to scare the shit out of us.

[lark]

107. People in the state of FL will remember.

I sure do. I used to be very concerned about Jeb running, he actually sounds sane when campaigning, just rules from the right. Today the base is so crazy, his seeming sanity is actually a negative in the primaries. I could see him running for VP and it would cancel out some of the Clinton dynasty charges since the VP would also be a dynasty. I think the koch-whore money will get Walker the presidential nod from Repugs.

[zeemike]

110. I think it will be the other way around.

Bush Walker or perhaps Paul.
But the Bush will never take second place...they are royalty in America.

[sabrina 1]

72. Barbara Lee is a strong woman, there are plenty of great Democrats who are very strong

women. Any reason why we hear only about one woman? Eg, Barbara Lee stood up alone against the entire, propagandized nation right after 9/11 when to so took more courage than most of our Reps had back then and opposed and voted against Bush's Patriot Act, alone!

She also voted against the AUMF when to do so took a similar amount of courage, not very prevalent at the pivotal time in our history.

She was threatened with death and needed protection after doing so, but never backed down.

THAT is a strong, Democratic woman and I wonder why, AS A WOMAN, there is only one woman being presented as a Candidate for the WH by the Dem Party.

Warren is another exceptionally strong woman.

As a democrat and a woman, I would like to see MORE women in this race.

Hillary Clinton has made some bad decisions eg, her support for Bush's war and continued funding of it.

I remember a time when Democrats thought that Bush's war was an important issue and worked for eight years to get control of the House, Senate and WH BECAUSE of those policies.

I still believe they are important. Voters can't just 'forget' the issues they felt so strongly about and dismiss them on cue. Nor should they be expected to.

[seabeyond]

75. is barbara lee running in the primary?

[sabrina 1]

104. See? People don't even know what she's up to. We SHOULD know what

other great Dem women are doing. How come we don't? We should be talking about all of them who have demonstrated their strength and leadership qualities. But we are only talking about one woman.

Would Wall St support Barbara Lee considering her very Liberal views?

That would be a factor in any decision she might make, don't you think?

[seabeyond]

105. she is not running for pres. simple enough question. hence why we are not having a discussion about

barbara lee running for president.

only you could arrive at such a convoluted argument, when reality is it is so very simple.

[BainsBane]

60. If all we wanted was a woman, we would have voted for Palin

that comment is demeaning. She is highly qualified, far more than many who have sought the office. And she certainly is strong. Your comment is utter nonsense. You don't like her, fine, but to demean her and those who support her based on gender is insulting. It is, however, typical of the vapid nature of the critiques of the anti-Clinton crowd around here.

[zeemike]

85. And being unqualified was the argument the right made against Obama.

So now you tell us it is a valid reason for Clinton.
I suggest to you that the election of Obama shows conclusively that the voters are NOT looking for a president that has lots of experience in Washington and government...they are looking for change and they want change badly not more of the same which is how Hillary will be viewed.

But I suspect you will find anything I say demeaning or insulting and find something about it to confirm your belief that I have a vapid nature.

[yardwork]

76. So you would agree that posts about Clinton's hairstyles are dumb?

[zeemike]

87. Yes I would...especially dumb.

But don't tell me, someone said it, so i am responsible...because you either with us or with the dumb.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

47. heeeeeeeee!

[bemildred]

48. +1. nt

[Gothmog]

50. I love the Onion

[marym625]

55. I don't like Hillary, but this is hilarious!

[fadedrose]

89. You mean my tears are from laughing!?

Holy Mackerel, I didn't know.

[hobbit709]

61. Anyone that wants that job is too ambitious.

some want it bad enough to sell out their core principles.

[lark]

65. Seems you are the one with a problem with women.

You seem to want a little mousy girly girl who will defer to the big men around here and have no thoughts, goals of her own. So glad, she doesn't fit your little mind mold of what a woman should be. She'd be worthless then as president of our large, diverse and powerful country.

[tammywammy]

78. Did you not realize this was from The Onion? n/t

[lark]

82. Nope

My bad, sorry about that.

[yardwork]

69. Nailed it.

Female executives and professionals hear this all the time. Word for word.

[dolphinsandtuna]

71. Nonsense. Hillary is incompetent.

Let her actually accomplish something, and then she can be as ambitious as she wants for higher office.

Tired of seeing her and her supporters play the gender card.

[tammywammy]

79. Incompetent? Please elaborate. n/t

[OKNancy]

86. Uh oh - lol

[cyberswede]

100. LOL - yeah, best not to troll in direct response to he who owns the banhammer.

[Rex]

95. How do you know skinner is a supporter? His posts so far are pretty ambiguous.

Tell me O mind reader! ALSO...she was secretary of state for Obama!! IS that not enough for you?

[cyberswede]

99. ...well, someone is incompetent, but

it isn't Hillary.

Or Skinner.

http://www.democraticunderground.com?com=profile&uid=320928&sub=trans

[Beacool]

108. Incompetent?

A simple Google search would disprove your claim. Then again, knowing facts may not be the intent of your post. Right?

[Lipss]

84. On point nt

[fadedrose]

88. Add your OP to the Clinton Initiative

and . . . you got BINGO!!!

I somehow feel that it's not enough to be President. They left the White House "dead broke" and see things clearer now.

How much better to be leader of the free world and the richest, or one of the richest, people in the World.

If she's getting support from countries other than the United States, the Presidency is just a step in the right direction.

US foreign aid could be used as a bargaining chip, although to be honest, I never even considered this aspect of the presidency till just 5 minutes ago.

Maybe now, I got "BINGO" - have to wait till the checker checks my numbers. Might take a while.

[pnwmom]

90. And the worst thing is . . .

she's MUCH too POLITICAL!!!

[eridani]

93. Wrong, satire notwithstanding. She is, however, too hawkish and cuddly with banksters

--to be president. Even it the Repuke is a couple of orders of magnitude worse, while the primary is on we should at least try to do better.

[msanthrope]

103. Sid, I love the fact that you are trolling your own board.

(To the jury.....this is all in good fun.)

[Cha]

115. LOL.. I just got what you're talking about when you call Skinner, Sid! that guy who got busted

for his rant about Skinner really being Sid and Vice Versa! Rofl

[MindMover]

111. Looks like Skinner and Mr Collins are one in the same ...

well done Skinner ... is DU better than the gig at Onion ????

[LiberalFighter]

113. Sometimes men need to know their place.

Like getting out of the way of people getting the job done.

[freshwest]

114. BWAHAHA!

[McCamy Taylor]

119. Exactly!