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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHillary better not try and run against President Obama in 2016
Like those chicken shit democrats did in the 2014 midterms.It got them nowhere I would like her to voice her opinion on those democrats who want to scuttle the Iranian deal also and she better address the police brutality among African Americans in this country as most of the rethugs have not
RKP5637
(67,101 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,397 posts)He needs to be used as well for it, no matter who ends up winning the nomination.
RealityAdvocate
(106 posts)I'm afraid she will drag his name through the mud. Classless.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)you just can't spout b.s. and expect people not to call you on it.
RealityAdvocate
(106 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I can see you are blind... done with you.
RealityAdvocate
(106 posts)Renew Deal
(81,852 posts)Go ahead....
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Your comment makes no sense.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Bash Hillary is more like it
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Thanks in advance.
And welcome to DU.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Obama? Never heard of him!
Bill Clinton told Democrats in 2004 not to criticize President Dubya Bush's handling of the Iraq War.
I'm waiting to see the Mexican hat dance that Hillary will have to make around that comment!!!!!
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)she would embrace Obama.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)I assume that there are a large number of issues where they are in very similar positions - especially domestically.
On foreign policy, though it is even MORE important that she run with Obama - not against. I was afraid last summer, when she went out of her way to argue that she would have taken a far more hawkish Syrian policy that she would try to run against Obama. At the time, my thought was that the dilemma for her was that Obama was polling badly on foreign policy -- but -- having been in the administration, she had even LESS ability to claim she was the change than McCain, who tried that down to not inviting Bush to the convention, did in 2008. However, on many issues, Obama is doing what the majority of Americans think is the best thing to do. Obama is not at all the equivalent of GWB circa 2008.
At this point, I think she is largely supportive of Obama. Where in November 2013, her support of the Iran interim agreement was rather tepid (but there!), this month she said it would be a great accomplishment. She did add caveats, but so did President Obama and Secretary Kerry - to me, all in the don't count your chickens until they are hatched vein.
The fact is that we are in the happy situation, where success for Obama, improves Clinton's chances -- and (even if she could say she was against something) anything that fails might hurt her. This means that everyone (including all of us) should be pulling in the same direction on things still in play.
Although there is no gain to oppose Obama on things still in play, HRC will speak of things over the last several years where her position would have been different. Here, though history may take these comments with a grain of salt -- she is running to be President and stating where she disagreed is essential to defining her as an independent potential President.
However, we should consider these comments are offered with the benefit of hindsight. It is unlikely she will point out where she disagreed, but something worked. This will go to the classic truism - success will have hundreds of "fathers" ("mothers" and failures will be orphans.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Cha
(297,029 posts)Follow
Memo to announced and potential 2016 Democratic candidates: You will not win us by dissing President Barack Obama's accomplishments.
12:55 PM - 12 Apr 2015 74 Retweets 70 favorites
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/04/12/democrat-or-republican-obamacare-has-your-back/#comments
Mahalo karyn
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Embracing ACA (particularly the parts that strengthen womens rights).
The revisionism is starting already and there's literally nothing to revise, because she hasn't started campaigning in full yet. It's freaking hilarious.
Vinca
(50,250 posts)the far right has been telling us the "dictator" Obama will stay for a third term.
sendero
(28,552 posts).... playing the race card (sometime by Bill proxy but don't anyone think it was not coordinated) in 2008 so I would put nothing past her.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)sendero
(28,552 posts).... the memory capacity to remember doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was discussed on this very forum. Whatever my ass.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)-Barack Obama
Oh, save the faux tough guy rhetoric for real life.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... the question was would Clinton turn against Obama in her campaign. We shall see. And BTW if you think that the fact that a cabinet member is standing on the stage with her boss means jack shit about their true relationship, you are hopeless.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If Barack Obama appointed someone he believes is of low character to the highest non elective office in the land that says a lot about him and none of it is good but I trust his judgement and his character and I don't think that is what he did.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)she will not try to enact healthcare. Furthermore, if you think Senate candidates in Texas and Kentucky would have won by clinging to Obama, you need to get some rest, soon.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Even though Obama endorsed Blanche Lincoln in 2010, she got less than 40% of the vote in the general election, about the same percentage as Obama's approval rating in the state.
PBass
(1,537 posts)And going against your own party and President during a campaign is a sign of desperation.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Any such candidate wants to keep the supporters of the incumbent but also play to the ever-present "It's time for a change" feeling among a significant number of voters.
In 1960, JFK characterized Vice President Nixon's campaign stance as, "Things are wonderful, and if something isn't done soon, they'll get even worse." That's roughly where either Clinton or Biden would be coming from as the nominee.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)the results. Remember, the EXPERIENCED, old white guys brought this nation to its economic and military knees. It was the inexperienced, level headed black guy that steadier the ship...and no, he didn't solve all of the problems but he did keep them from stay worse for a long time in the face of some nasty opposition. Hillary has got to get that message across and remind people where we came from under the administration in which she served.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Let's not even consider the Faux News sheeple, who will regard any Democratic candidate as evil incarnate. If Clinton is the nominee, she'll still have to follow your advice, about pitching the positive aspects of the Obama administration, but she'll also have to avoid giving the impression that her platform is to implement Obama's third term. There are plenty of people who won't focus all that closely on "the facts, the numbers and the results." They're the ones who have the "time for a change" predisposition. Clinton or Biden, as the nominee, will have to cater to that, but without giving the appearance of throwing Obama under the bus.
BainsBane
(53,026 posts)Like LBJ did to Humphrey?
I hope she is forthright about where she agrees with the President and where she disagrees. Obama isn't running for a third term.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)BainsBane
(53,026 posts)give a shit about the political labels that are the sole obsession of many on this board. Most Americans actually care about ISSUES that effect their daily lives. Meanwhile, they keyboard intelligentsia worries about cabinet appointments and whether they label someone as "left" "centrist" or "right." Meanwhile, when it comes to issues, those who make the loudest noise about being leftist tend to be the most conservative and seem desperate to move the country backward.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)But, I think she is going to try to rewrite her own history anyway.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)still_one
(92,114 posts)Party
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)This is silly.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)minimum wage, woman's right to choose, income equality, and she needs to get out there with all the stats on where this country was when taxes on the 1% were 70% and where it is now with their taxes at near 0 when all the subsidies and other loopholes are figured in. Proposing a reasonable tax increase on the 1% OR closing THEIr loopholes is a message to be embraced. Things will not get any worse for her from the GOP than they already are so she should go for it!! Warren can be her front person on this. AND she must speak to fixing our justice system and upholding good cops (if you can find any) while pushing states and local jurisdictions to weed out bad cops and take actions to ensure the protection of all their citizens. It won't win her any favor with the bigots and racists but they already don't like her and won't vote for her.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)despite the fact that Schumer will most certainly kill this treaty, so I am skeptical he will object to her running against this.
DAMANgoldberg
(1,278 posts)That didn't go too well for Al Gore. If my memory serves me correctly, he didn't even win his home state of Tennessee, Florida wouldn't have been an issue if he held serve on his home court. Assuming that Hillary is the nominee, keeping NY or IL, either one can be claimed as home, should not be a problem.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Just after the 2000 election, I was actually in Tennessee, having lunch at a cafe in Tiptonville. I was sitting next to a table where a bunch of rednecks were laughing about Gore "getting his ass kicked" by a "real man". My friend who lives in eastern Tennessee had a similar experience
PBass
(1,537 posts)Couldn't agree more with thread title. It would be MUTUALLY beneficial, as well. Obama needs as much help promoting his accomplishments as possible. People need to be reminded of his successes.
Hillary might need distance is if there is a major Obama scandal or everything suddenly goes to hell in this country, but I don't anticipate either of those scenarios happening.