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bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:19 AM Apr 2015

Hillary better not try and run against President Obama in 2016

Like those chicken shit democrats did in the 2014 midterms.It got them nowhere I would like her to voice her opinion on those democrats who want to scuttle the Iranian deal also and she better address the police brutality among African Americans in this country as most of the rethugs have not

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Hillary better not try and run against President Obama in 2016 (Original Post) bigdarryl Apr 2015 OP
K&R! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2015 #1
And he better not sit this one out either Blue_Adept Apr 2015 #2
She is far to the right if President Obama. RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #3
incorrect OKNancy Apr 2015 #6
Lol. RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #7
laugh all you want but OKNancy Apr 2015 #8
Hillary is far to the right of Obama. That's a fact. RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #9
whatever OKNancy Apr 2015 #10
Enjoy Wall Street RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #11
If it's a fact, you should be able to prove it Renew Deal Apr 2015 #14
Hillary was 9th most Liberal in Senate, Obama was 8th most Liberal. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #24
Not here to make sense madokie Apr 2015 #47
What is the basis for that opinion? lovemydog Apr 2015 #29
Certainly to the right; how far idk. Enough I can't see supporting in the primary that's fo sho. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #38
She'll be like the Republicans who never heard of Bush after 2008!! Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #34
article after article has been published in the last few days that have said OKNancy Apr 2015 #4
Exactly -- and given that Obama is near 50% approval it makes sense karynnj Apr 2015 #19
good post OKNancy Apr 2015 #21
I know Pres Obama sure said some nice things about her the other day. Cha Apr 2015 #40
Iran policy, Cuba policy, denouncing GOP for Iran. joshcryer Apr 2015 #31
LOL - I thought the post must be a joke. After all, Vinca Apr 2015 #5
Well she stooped to ... sendero Apr 2015 #12
Yeah, sure, whatever... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #13
Just because you don't have..... sendero Apr 2015 #15
Obviously they were both able to get over it... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #16
That's not the point. sendero Apr 2015 #17
If Barack Obama appointed someone he believes is of low character.... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #18
Was a low point in the campaign, for sure, tho seem to recall Bill dishonoring himself more than Hillary. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #39
As an Obama state delegate at the time, I remember. mmonk Apr 2015 #20
she already said she will be nicer to the republicans than Obama has been, and that Doctor_J Apr 2015 #22
And Arkansas as well Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #42
Those candidates would have lost no matter what they did... PBass Apr 2015 #44
She'll face the usual problem of a candidate identified with the current administration. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #23
What problem. It's only a "Problem" if she doesn't fight back with the facts, the numbers and kelliekat44 Apr 2015 #33
What you say is logical. Some of the voters aren't. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #46
You expert her to be muzzled? BainsBane Apr 2015 #25
Look for triangulation, as is Hillary's history. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #27
Very few people in this country BainsBane Apr 2015 #35
I agree. She can't run from her past now. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #36
lol, of course Hillary can run from her past; it's called reinventing herself. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #37
If she or her team do that she will lose. I don't think she will though. She will not divide the still_one Apr 2015 #26
She's already embracing Obama's policies. joshcryer Apr 2015 #28
I don't think she is crazy. the issues that Obama championed are all set for her. LBGT rights, kelliekat44 Apr 2015 #30
He is allowing Schumer to become minority leader betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #32
Rember the last time a Dem candidate ran against their sitting president? DAMANgoldberg Apr 2015 #41
Gore didn't win Tennessee because there are too many right-wing idiots there Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #43
Kicked and recommended... PBass Apr 2015 #45

Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
2. And he better not sit this one out either
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:26 AM
Apr 2015

He needs to be used as well for it, no matter who ends up winning the nomination.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
34. She'll be like the Republicans who never heard of Bush after 2008!!
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:59 PM
Apr 2015

Obama? Never heard of him!

Bill Clinton told Democrats in 2004 not to criticize President Dubya Bush's handling of the Iraq War.
I'm waiting to see the Mexican hat dance that Hillary will have to make around that comment!!!!!

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
4. article after article has been published in the last few days that have said
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:26 AM
Apr 2015

she would embrace Obama.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
19. Exactly -- and given that Obama is near 50% approval it makes sense
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 10:56 AM
Apr 2015

I assume that there are a large number of issues where they are in very similar positions - especially domestically.

On foreign policy, though it is even MORE important that she run with Obama - not against. I was afraid last summer, when she went out of her way to argue that she would have taken a far more hawkish Syrian policy that she would try to run against Obama. At the time, my thought was that the dilemma for her was that Obama was polling badly on foreign policy -- but -- having been in the administration, she had even LESS ability to claim she was the change than McCain, who tried that down to not inviting Bush to the convention, did in 2008. However, on many issues, Obama is doing what the majority of Americans think is the best thing to do. Obama is not at all the equivalent of GWB circa 2008.

At this point, I think she is largely supportive of Obama. Where in November 2013, her support of the Iran interim agreement was rather tepid (but there!), this month she said it would be a great accomplishment. She did add caveats, but so did President Obama and Secretary Kerry - to me, all in the don't count your chickens until they are hatched vein.

The fact is that we are in the happy situation, where success for Obama, improves Clinton's chances -- and (even if she could say she was against something) anything that fails might hurt her. This means that everyone (including all of us) should be pulling in the same direction on things still in play.

Although there is no gain to oppose Obama on things still in play, HRC will speak of things over the last several years where her position would have been different. Here, though history may take these comments with a grain of salt -- she is running to be President and stating where she disagreed is essential to defining her as an independent potential President.

However, we should consider these comments are offered with the benefit of hindsight. It is unlikely she will point out where she disagreed, but something worked. This will go to the classic truism - success will have hundreds of "fathers" ("mothers&quot and failures will be orphans.

Cha

(297,029 posts)
40. I know Pres Obama sure said some nice things about her the other day.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 01:08 AM
Apr 2015
Nerdy Wonka @NerdyWonka
Follow
Memo to announced and potential 2016 Democratic candidates: You will not win us by dissing President Barack Obama's accomplishments.
12:55 PM - 12 Apr 2015 74 Retweets 70 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/04/12/democrat-or-republican-obamacare-has-your-back/#comments

Mahalo karyn

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
31. Iran policy, Cuba policy, denouncing GOP for Iran.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:46 PM
Apr 2015

Embracing ACA (particularly the parts that strengthen womens rights).

The revisionism is starting already and there's literally nothing to revise, because she hasn't started campaigning in full yet. It's freaking hilarious.

Vinca

(50,250 posts)
5. LOL - I thought the post must be a joke. After all,
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:27 AM
Apr 2015

the far right has been telling us the "dictator" Obama will stay for a third term.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
12. Well she stooped to ...
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:38 AM
Apr 2015

.... playing the race card (sometime by Bill proxy but don't anyone think it was not coordinated) in 2008 so I would put nothing past her.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
15. Just because you don't have.....
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 10:21 AM
Apr 2015

.... the memory capacity to remember doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was discussed on this very forum. Whatever my ass.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
16. Obviously they were both able to get over it...
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 10:27 AM
Apr 2015

"Hillary Clinton will go down as one of the finest secretaries of state we've had".

-Barack Obama




Oh, save the faux tough guy rhetoric for real life.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
17. That's not the point.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 10:30 AM
Apr 2015

... the question was would Clinton turn against Obama in her campaign. We shall see. And BTW if you think that the fact that a cabinet member is standing on the stage with her boss means jack shit about their true relationship, you are hopeless.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
18. If Barack Obama appointed someone he believes is of low character....
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 10:38 AM
Apr 2015

If Barack Obama appointed someone he believes is of low character to the highest non elective office in the land that says a lot about him and none of it is good but I trust his judgement and his character and I don't think that is what he did.


InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
39. Was a low point in the campaign, for sure, tho seem to recall Bill dishonoring himself more than Hillary.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:58 AM
Apr 2015
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
22. she already said she will be nicer to the republicans than Obama has been, and that
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:14 AM
Apr 2015

she will not try to enact healthcare. Furthermore, if you think Senate candidates in Texas and Kentucky would have won by clinging to Obama, you need to get some rest, soon.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
42. And Arkansas as well
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:16 AM
Apr 2015

Even though Obama endorsed Blanche Lincoln in 2010, she got less than 40% of the vote in the general election, about the same percentage as Obama's approval rating in the state.

PBass

(1,537 posts)
44. Those candidates would have lost no matter what they did...
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:49 AM
Apr 2015

And going against your own party and President during a campaign is a sign of desperation.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
23. She'll face the usual problem of a candidate identified with the current administration.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:07 PM
Apr 2015

Any such candidate wants to keep the supporters of the incumbent but also play to the ever-present "It's time for a change" feeling among a significant number of voters.

In 1960, JFK characterized Vice President Nixon's campaign stance as, "Things are wonderful, and if something isn't done soon, they'll get even worse." That's roughly where either Clinton or Biden would be coming from as the nominee.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
33. What problem. It's only a "Problem" if she doesn't fight back with the facts, the numbers and
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:51 PM
Apr 2015

the results. Remember, the EXPERIENCED, old white guys brought this nation to its economic and military knees. It was the inexperienced, level headed black guy that steadier the ship...and no, he didn't solve all of the problems but he did keep them from stay worse for a long time in the face of some nasty opposition. Hillary has got to get that message across and remind people where we came from under the administration in which she served.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
46. What you say is logical. Some of the voters aren't.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:38 AM
Apr 2015

Let's not even consider the Faux News sheeple, who will regard any Democratic candidate as evil incarnate. If Clinton is the nominee, she'll still have to follow your advice, about pitching the positive aspects of the Obama administration, but she'll also have to avoid giving the impression that her platform is to implement Obama's third term. There are plenty of people who won't focus all that closely on "the facts, the numbers and the results." They're the ones who have the "time for a change" predisposition. Clinton or Biden, as the nominee, will have to cater to that, but without giving the appearance of throwing Obama under the bus.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
25. You expert her to be muzzled?
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:38 PM
Apr 2015

Like LBJ did to Humphrey?

I hope she is forthright about where she agrees with the President and where she disagrees. Obama isn't running for a third term.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
35. Very few people in this country
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:22 AM
Apr 2015

give a shit about the political labels that are the sole obsession of many on this board. Most Americans actually care about ISSUES that effect their daily lives. Meanwhile, they keyboard intelligentsia worries about cabinet appointments and whether they label someone as "left" "centrist" or "right." Meanwhile, when it comes to issues, those who make the loudest noise about being leftist tend to be the most conservative and seem desperate to move the country backward.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
36. I agree. She can't run from her past now.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:24 AM
Apr 2015

But, I think she is going to try to rewrite her own history anyway.

still_one

(92,114 posts)
26. If she or her team do that she will lose. I don't think she will though. She will not divide the
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:42 PM
Apr 2015

Party

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
30. I don't think she is crazy. the issues that Obama championed are all set for her. LBGT rights,
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:46 PM
Apr 2015

minimum wage, woman's right to choose, income equality, and she needs to get out there with all the stats on where this country was when taxes on the 1% were 70% and where it is now with their taxes at near 0 when all the subsidies and other loopholes are figured in. Proposing a reasonable tax increase on the 1% OR closing THEIr loopholes is a message to be embraced. Things will not get any worse for her from the GOP than they already are so she should go for it!! Warren can be her front person on this. AND she must speak to fixing our justice system and upholding good cops (if you can find any) while pushing states and local jurisdictions to weed out bad cops and take actions to ensure the protection of all their citizens. It won't win her any favor with the bigots and racists but they already don't like her and won't vote for her.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
32. He is allowing Schumer to become minority leader
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 11:47 PM
Apr 2015

despite the fact that Schumer will most certainly kill this treaty, so I am skeptical he will object to her running against this.

DAMANgoldberg

(1,278 posts)
41. Rember the last time a Dem candidate ran against their sitting president?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 03:29 AM
Apr 2015

That didn't go too well for Al Gore. If my memory serves me correctly, he didn't even win his home state of Tennessee, Florida wouldn't have been an issue if he held serve on his home court. Assuming that Hillary is the nominee, keeping NY or IL, either one can be claimed as home, should not be a problem.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
43. Gore didn't win Tennessee because there are too many right-wing idiots there
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:24 AM
Apr 2015

Just after the 2000 election, I was actually in Tennessee, having lunch at a cafe in Tiptonville. I was sitting next to a table where a bunch of rednecks were laughing about Gore "getting his ass kicked" by a "real man". My friend who lives in eastern Tennessee had a similar experience

PBass

(1,537 posts)
45. Kicked and recommended...
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:01 AM
Apr 2015

Couldn't agree more with thread title. It would be MUTUALLY beneficial, as well. Obama needs as much help promoting his accomplishments as possible. People need to be reminded of his successes.

Hillary might need distance is if there is a major Obama scandal or everything suddenly goes to hell in this country, but I don't anticipate either of those scenarios happening.

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