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Fri May 4, 2012, 02:44 PM

Boy carves initials on turtle in 1965. Dad finds turtle alive 47 years later

Turtle With Boy’s Initials Turns Up Alive 47 Years Later



It was 1965 when a boy in Washington County carved his initials in a turtle’s shell and then let it go.

Now, 47 years later, the turtle is still alive and has been found by the boy’s dad.

Holland Cokeley, 85, of South Strabane, Washington County, was walking in the woods of his backyard with his neighbor’s dog, Zack.

Zack began poking around at something and Cokeley realized it was a turtle. He didn’t think much of it, until he gave it a closer look.

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Jeff Cokeley now lives in New York State, but began laughing when his dad sent him pictures of the turtle.

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Holland Cokeley kept it for a couple days and then released it, so it can wander for perhaps many more years.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/05/04/turtle-with-boys-initials-turns-up-47-years-later-alive/

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Reply Boy carves initials on turtle in 1965. Dad finds turtle alive 47 years later (Original post)
Liberal_in_LA May 2012 OP
Rambis May 2012 #1
Liberal_in_LA May 2012 #3
BlueCaliDem May 2012 #23
girl gone mad May 2012 #33
Butterbean May 2012 #35
BlueCaliDem May 2012 #57
Marrah_G May 2012 #47
GaYellowDawg May 2012 #55
Seedersandleechers May 2012 #51
GaYellowDawg May 2012 #54
BlueCaliDem May 2012 #56
GaYellowDawg May 2012 #59
BlueCaliDem May 2012 #63
GaYellowDawg May 2012 #64
BlueCaliDem May 2012 #65
Enrique May 2012 #2
Liberal_in_LA May 2012 #4
Enrique May 2012 #8
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Liberal_in_LA May 2012 #25
sakabatou May 2012 #6
treestar May 2012 #10
backscatter712 May 2012 #38
Whisp May 2012 #5
joeybee12 May 2012 #7
a la izquierda May 2012 #24
MerryBlooms May 2012 #9
SirRevolutionary May 2012 #11
nolabear May 2012 #13
Warren DeMontague May 2012 #31
Hassin Bin Sober May 2012 #43
Warren DeMontague May 2012 #44
joeybee12 May 2012 #12
nolabear May 2012 #15
joeybee12 May 2012 #41
NavyDavy May 2012 #14
Javaman May 2012 #16
Luciferous May 2012 #34
aint_no_life_nowhere May 2012 #17
zazen May 2012 #19
aint_no_life_nowhere May 2012 #21
enlightenment May 2012 #27
zazen May 2012 #46
JCMach1 May 2012 #53
Marrah_G May 2012 #61
Marrah_G May 2012 #62
JCMach1 May 2012 #66
aint_no_life_nowhere May 2012 #68
Marrah_G May 2012 #69
Liberal_in_LA May 2012 #26
Politicalboi May 2012 #29
Marrah_G May 2012 #48
longship May 2012 #18
randome May 2012 #22
longship May 2012 #30
randome May 2012 #32
snooper2 May 2012 #52
Logical May 2012 #37
longship May 2012 #42
Logical May 2012 #45
benld74 May 2012 #20
Liberal_in_LA May 2012 #28
rhett o rick May 2012 #36
B Calm May 2012 #39
belcffub May 2012 #49
seabeyond May 2012 #40
LynneSin May 2012 #50
Nye Bevan May 2012 #58
Liberal_in_LA May 2012 #60
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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 02:47 PM

1. Turtle vandalism?

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Response to Rambis (Reply #1)

Fri May 4, 2012, 02:51 PM

3. turtle graffiti

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Response to Rambis (Reply #1)

Fri May 4, 2012, 04:09 PM

23. Turtle torture. Contrary to popular belief, a turtle shell isn't like our hair.

The can feel pain, heat, even the slightest touch. I know this for a fact since I have red-eared slider turtles and Red-foot tortoises. Just gently touch their shell and you'll see them react.

Poor turtle. He must've felt some mean pain when the little boy carved his initials in his shell. I don't blame the boy, though. Not everyone knows this little fact. I bet he even thought turtles can shed their shell, since people in that era actually believed when they found an empty turtle shell it was because the turtle shed it. No. It means the turtle had died.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #23)

Fri May 4, 2012, 05:01 PM

33. Too bad it wasn't a snapping turtle.

I'd like to see some little brat try to carve into this guy's shell:

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #23)

Fri May 4, 2012, 05:07 PM

35. Exactly my first thought: poor turtle, how excruciatingly painful that must have been. :(

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Response to Butterbean (Reply #35)

Mon May 7, 2012, 11:55 AM

57. Since it was on his plastron (underside) it was very painful.

The carapace is a little tougher since it's exposed to the elements, but they can still feel pain and pressure through their carapace and plastron. According to the San Diego website, they feel the same type of pain as we would through our fingernails.

Can you imagine anyone carving into your fingernails?

Here is a piece on it: http://www.sandiegozoo.org/animalbytes/t-turtle.html

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #23)

Mon May 7, 2012, 08:52 AM

47. I never knew the shells had pain nerves

or any nerves at all.

I love DU. I swear I learn something new every day.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #47)

Mon May 7, 2012, 11:38 AM

55. Reaction to touch means that shells have pressure receptors, but not necessarily pain receptors.

The assumption that reaction to pressure automatically means that increased pressure brings pain is an unfounded one.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #23)

Mon May 7, 2012, 09:56 AM

51. Had he carved his initials on the top shell

instead of the underbelly I imagine it might have been less painful. Dunno though.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #23)

Mon May 7, 2012, 11:36 AM

54. You don't have enough data to make that assertion.

Different types of receptors detect stimulus types; e.g., heat, pain, pressure. Reaction to pressure does not necessarily mean pain is involved. You have no idea whether the turtle felt pressure without pain during the carving, pressure with some pain, or pressure with "mean pain." You'd have to know the density of pain receptors in the shell in order to accurately make your assertion about pain.

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Response to GaYellowDawg (Reply #54)

Mon May 7, 2012, 11:51 AM

56. There IS enough data out there, and I'm correct, according to the San Diego Zoo's

website:

"The shell’s top is called the carapace, and the bottom is the plastron. Turtles can feel pressure and pain through their shells, just as you can feel pressure through your fingernails."

I ask ya . . . if someone carves into your fingernails, would that hurt you?

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #56)

Mon May 7, 2012, 02:27 PM

59. No, you haven't established yourself as correct.

It says through the shells, not in the shells. If someone carved into my fingernails, it wouldn't hurt a bit if they didn't penetrate the nail. In fact, given that analogy, you've pretty much established that you're incorrect in your assertion, and that the turtle is and was just fine.

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Response to GaYellowDawg (Reply #59)

Mon May 7, 2012, 02:44 PM

63. But he DID penetrate the plastron surface and cut INto the shell. How else would his initials

remain there even after forty-seven years?

If someone took a knife and carved into your fingernails it would friggin HURT! The pressure alone is incredibly painful. Why don't you take a small Swiss Army knife and test for yourself? Let me know what happens, although, being a mother who cooks a lot and works with sharp knives, I already know the end result.

Some bit of info that will, hopefully, clear this up for you.

Turtle Shells
There are many popular misconceptions about turtle and tortoise shells. They are, in fact, made of living tissue. Turtles can also feel pain through injuries to their shells, and this has particular significance when restraining them. They should never be tethered to a rope or chain via a hole drilled in their shell, as was a practice a number of years ago.
http://www.gopetsamerica.com/reptiles/turtles.aspx

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #63)

Mon May 7, 2012, 03:41 PM

64. Well, now that I've seen the pictures, I definitely have to change my position and agree with you.

As a note: I have an MS in biology, including a comparative anatomy class, and I do know what the hell I'm talking about. I'd envisioned scratches. Scratches wouldn't hurt a turtle badly, if at all. Those weren't scratches. Those were gouges. I don't have any doubt that hurt the turtle quite a bit and I am quite frankly surprised it survived the injury.

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Response to GaYellowDawg (Reply #64)

Mon May 7, 2012, 05:24 PM

65. I'm surprised it survived it, too. Poor turtle.

I thought you'd seen the photos, that's why I was shocked you'd think carving into the plastron couldn't have hurt the turtle. But you're correct, scratches wouldn't have hurt it just as scratches on our nails wouldn't have hurt us.

Well, at least we cleared that one up!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 02:49 PM

2. imagine being a turtle for 47 years

i bet it gets old at some point.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #2)

Fri May 4, 2012, 02:51 PM

4. awww.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #4)

Fri May 4, 2012, 02:58 PM

8. just a joke

i think it's the coolest thing in the world that turtles live that long.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #8)

Fri May 4, 2012, 04:17 PM

25. .

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Response to Enrique (Reply #2)

Fri May 4, 2012, 02:55 PM

6. Not for one person

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Response to Enrique (Reply #2)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:01 PM

10. rofl! nt

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Response to Enrique (Reply #2)

Fri May 4, 2012, 05:37 PM

38. Some turtles can live to be 200.

They're pretty long-lived animals. It depends on the species, but some make it past 100 routinely.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 02:53 PM

5. Dad finds turtle alive 47 years later

holding a carving knife, looking for the kid all those years.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #5)

Fri May 4, 2012, 02:56 PM

7. Good for the turtle!

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Response to Whisp (Reply #5)

Fri May 4, 2012, 04:11 PM

24. My husband's comment:

Dad find turtle alive 47 years later, strangling son that had carved initials in the turtle's shell.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:00 PM

9. That's a heckuva spry 85 y/o guy.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:04 PM

11. A heart-warming tale of a boy and his animal mutilation.

The old fella must be proud

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Response to SirRevolutionary (Reply #11)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:09 PM

13. I'm not advocating it, but the turtle didn't feel a thing

and has no awareness of what happened. It used to be common practice among conservationists before tagging, which in some cases is more invasive physically. Kids do dumb shit. Give him a break.

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Response to SirRevolutionary (Reply #11)

Fri May 4, 2012, 04:30 PM

31. The "animal mutilation" took place before the beginning of the Beatles' psychedelic period.

And the turtle clearly survived.

I think it's time to move on.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #31)

Fri May 4, 2012, 08:04 PM

43. They should check the son's basement for hitch-hiker and hooker bodies.

We all know what animal mutilation leads to...

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #43)

Fri May 4, 2012, 08:33 PM

44. George W. Bush used to torture frogs.

So, you may have a point.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:06 PM

12. Is doing that safe for the turtle?

Obviously didn't seem to harm this one, but is it adviable?

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #12)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:11 PM

15. Not advisable but if shallow not generally harmful.

As I said upthread I don't advocate it but shallow marking should be okay. Turtles get scarred by natural means frequently. That's what that shell is for.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #15)

Fri May 4, 2012, 05:56 PM

41. I'm glad the kid went shallow...

You gotta wonder because kids aren't always that careful...I like the fact that the turtle is still going!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:10 PM

14. I think this story is cool......I wish I cold find the cat with the cans tied to its tail I had when

I was a kid.......



hehehe Just joking.....I know it would be dead by now ; P

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:11 PM

16. Turtles maybe slow, but he's back and he's pissed. nt

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Response to Javaman (Reply #16)

Fri May 4, 2012, 05:05 PM

34. lol

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:14 PM

17. I have a desert tortoise that's nearly 40

The vet said I can expect it to live at least another 20 years or more. The thing just might outlive me. They make great pets. Mine is a gopherus berlianderii, very similar to the one in the photograph below.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #17)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:19 PM

19. really? can it distinguish you from other people?

I mean, seriously. Does it act like a mammalian pet? Come to you and not others? Get excited when you walk in the door?

I just have no idea what to expect from turtles, behaviorally speaking.

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Response to zazen (Reply #19)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:39 PM

21. It very much recognizes me

It recognizes my voice, face, and touch. I've taken it to several vets over the years and it typically hides in its shell if a stranger comes close to it or touches it. Same thing for strangers who come to the house. I can pick it up and its legs and head emerge from its shell for petting. When I stroke its head, it pushes it up into my hand, like a dog. It practically lets me do whatever I want to it without withdrawing into its shell; bathing, wiping, giving it shots, carrying it around the house or yard. If it walks across the floor and I call to it, it looks at me, and if I tap the floor with my hand it comes (because I then feed it). I hand feed it but it won't take food from anyone else. It doesn't get excited when I walk through the door, however, as its pretty slow. It communicates by blowing air through its nose, expressing either displeasure or fear (if I accidentally bump its shell) or relaxation (if I caress it). It can also make a high-pitched squeal in its throat when really frightened. Mine doesn't do tricks but I read about a tortoise owned by a guy posting on a turtle blog that would tip back on its hind legs and beg for ice cream.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #21)

Fri May 4, 2012, 04:18 PM

27. A friend of mine had a couple of desert tortoises they raised from

practically eggdom. They used to come in and out of the house through the dog door - until the male got too big and couldn't make it through. It was embarrassing for him, I think - and you could almost hear the female behind him making nasty cracks about the size of his shell . . .

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #21)

Sun May 6, 2012, 08:00 PM

46. awwwww. . . that just makes me smile n/t

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #21)

Mon May 7, 2012, 11:11 AM

53. Our turtles will scratch at the sliding glass door to come inside

I am not kidding.

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #53)

Mon May 7, 2012, 02:39 PM

61. that is really cool!

Are tortoises more people friends then turtles?

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #21)

Mon May 7, 2012, 02:40 PM

62. umm one question.....

does it poop on the floor if you have it just roaming around?

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #62)

Fri May 11, 2012, 12:28 PM

66. Just for short times inside. the AC is too cold for them... makes them lethargic.

They are amazing. One of them once hibernated for over 1 yr.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #62)

Fri May 11, 2012, 12:47 PM

68. It usually poops at the same time every day - early in the morning

In spring after it awakens from hibernation I usually put it outside in the backyard during the day. I leave the back door slightly open because it likes to come and go from outside to inside and back outside again all day maybe to adjust its body temperature. At night I always bring it inside because I live near the ocean and, as a desert animal, it doesn't like the humidity outdoors we have at night. At night I always have it sleep in the same place, on paper with a wooden board above its head (turtles feel more secure that way), where it poops and pees early in the morning. When it pees, it often makes a high pitched whine in its throat. I feed it a variety of things. It loves cantaloupe melon and I give it one or two slices a day. I give it the greener kinds of lettuce like Romaine and red-headed lettuce. It absolutely adores flowers, especially pink roses from our rosebush and the yellow buds of dandelions. It likes to eat apples that have fallen from our apple tree, the more rotten the better. It also eats lots of plain grass from the lawn. Because I give it a lot of cantaloupe, it pees every day.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #68)

Fri May 11, 2012, 10:46 PM

69. Sounds like a very cool animal to have around

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #17)

Fri May 4, 2012, 04:18 PM

26. cool!

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #17)

Fri May 4, 2012, 04:21 PM

29. When I was a kid

We had a couple of those turtles. We had about 4 of them. I think we had 2 males and 2 females. Sometimes I'd come home from school and find one turned over on his back from fighting with the other male. He'd be there with his leg or legs twirling around to try and turn over. I'd turn him over, and he'd let out a huge breath, and stroll off. The other male was busy mating with the females. They had babies one year, but we didn't know it, and we had a kiddie pool that was falling apart, and some of them drown from too much water on the ground. I don't remember what happened to them when we moved. I know we moved some with us, but they burrow in the ground, and go under fences to neighbors yards.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #17)

Mon May 7, 2012, 08:54 AM

48. Wow!

Okay that is really cool. How big do they get? What sort of enclosure do you keep one in? What do they eat? Do they recognize you?

I would love to hear more.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:17 PM

18. Calling ASPCA!

Kids do sick fucking things sometimes. What's more astounding is that people actually think this story is entertaining. It is just another example of how sick society is.

I am appalled.

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Response to longship (Reply #18)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:53 PM

22. Maybe you could browse the other posts before blowing a gasket.

It's likely the turtle didn't feel a thing.

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Response to randome (Reply #22)

Fri May 4, 2012, 04:26 PM

30. Maybe I did

It doesn't matter if the turtle felt anything. Carving your initials on an animal is fucked up.

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Response to longship (Reply #30)

Fri May 4, 2012, 04:32 PM

32. I hear ya.

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Response to longship (Reply #30)

Mon May 7, 2012, 10:00 AM

52. So what did you end up doing to that first crush you had

who put both your initials in a tree?

I bet that went down real well

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Response to longship (Reply #18)

Fri May 4, 2012, 05:34 PM

37. And THAT is why most people don't like ASPCA!!

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Response to Logical (Reply #37)

Fri May 4, 2012, 05:59 PM

42. I think people who attempt to justify carving ones initials on an animal are dispicible.

I am done here.

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Response to longship (Reply #42)

Fri May 4, 2012, 11:30 PM

45. bye

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 03:39 PM

20. Well, NOW the turtle KNOWS where the kid lives and,,

s-l-o-w-l-y will extract his revenge!!!

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Response to benld74 (Reply #20)

Fri May 4, 2012, 04:18 PM

28. lol. Long walk to NY

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #28)

Fri May 4, 2012, 05:09 PM

36. He's in no hurry. nm

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 05:52 PM

39. Just because tattoos are popular,

I still don't think it's right to tattoo animals without their permission.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #39)

Mon May 7, 2012, 09:24 AM

49. going to have to report my local SPCA then...

they tattooed my dog with an N in his ear just before we got him... betting he did not give permission for that... or the other thing they took away just before the tattoo...

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon May 7, 2012, 09:50 AM

50. Could you imagine if some religious nut-job found the turtle

OMG I found a turtle with JC engraved on it!!!

It's a sign that the Rapture is coming woohoo!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon May 7, 2012, 11:58 AM

58. Is there a list of animals that it's OK to carve your initials on? (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #58)

Mon May 7, 2012, 02:29 PM

60. lol...no.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 11, 2012, 12:32 PM

67. Must have been Rush Limbaugh

He keeps talking about how '65 was a great year and this sounds like something he would enjoy doing.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri May 11, 2012, 10:59 PM

70. That is very cool to find the same turtle, alive.

Back in the day, 47 yrs ago, people did things like carve into turtle shells and paint small turtles shells before selling them to little kids to keep in small aquariums before they died.

I am glad that isn't so today. And I think it quite interesting, finding the turtle again after so many yrs.

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