Hillary Has Plenty Of Room To Run To The Left

[WillTwain]

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If Hillary wins the nomination, she will crush any Republican, even if Reagan comes back from the dead. The women will vote for her around 60 percent, minorities will be around eight percent and she will do fairly well with white men. She will blow away any of the clown bus crew.

For this reason, she can safely campaign to the left. She can line up with unions and campaign on a living wage safely. This will land her more votes from the hard left. By running to the left, it will be much easier for her to carry through on lefty policy.

Hillary is in a unique situation. The country's middle-class is in an economic crisis that has gotten worse every year for decades. Times like this leave politicians to make historic marks, leaving a personal legacy of greatness. FDR, Lincoln, LBJ all were fortunate enough to be in crisis situations. They responded and are considered by many to be the greatest presidents of all time. Today's crisis may not quite be on par with previous crises but it is still a crisis.

She is safe channeling Bernie.

[Thinkingabout]

1. More left than Warren? Right now they are rated the same.

[djean111]

3. Yeah, that's why Wall Street is so pissy - because Warren is just like Hillary. Bwah!

[WillTwain]

4. Warren or not really the issue

She can safely move to the left on workers issues. Hillary is automatic if she gets through the primary. She may calculate this and make that shift. It will be very interesting to watch and will be awsome if she does.

[djean111]

6. When you say "move to the left" - you mean "campaign blather to the Left".

That's all that means, really. The Left is a little more intelligent than you give them credit for, methinks.
In any event, I am looking forward to the primaries. If Hillary wins the primaries, I won't be involved with the politics any more, can't feign enthusiasm, too depressing.

[WillTwain]

10. I am a left, too

By "move to the left" I mean absolute promises that we can hang on her - living wage, Employee Free Choice Act, expansion of Social Security, lowering college tuition not interest on student loans, pumping money into the ACA, raising taxes on corporations and billionaires.

Not silly rhetoric like "I will fight for the middle-class" or "Hope and Change."

[cali]

22. I truly hate to dash your charming naite against the cruel rocks of reality

but politicians lie and make promises they have no intention of keeping.

President Obama promised to change NAFTA. He never made any attempt to do so.

[WillTwain]

24. Believe me, i am not saying this will happen

I just wonder if any chance that we could be wrong.

Honestly, I have seen no evidence for hope, but could the chance to make a real difference in America trump her history?

[Hoyt]

33. Since Mexico, Canada are part of TPP, he is in fact attempting to change NAFTA.

Still gets him criticized.

[cali]

36. This should be in bold: YOU COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE MORE DISINGENOUS.

WHAT A STEAMING PILE.

I don't understand your kind of.....

You will be my only hide

bye bye.

[Hoyt]

45. Bye.

[WillTwain]

46. Bye

[woo me with science]

48. War is Peace.

Corporatists LIE. They spin and misrepresent.

It is what they do.

It is the difference between representative government working to reflect the interests of people, and a corporation creating slick, false, lying messaging campaigns to dupe the public and shove through a predatory agenda for profit.

We live in a corrupt, corporate propaganda state now.

[Major Hogwash]

51. All we are saying, . . .

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. . . is give us . . a piece . . of cake.

Did you read that article yesterday where the guy said that if the liberals get to at least lick the icing on the cake, that it will placate them to the point that they won't even ask to eat their piece of cake!

Man, that is brutal!!!

[WillTwain]

61. I hope all DUers can say "I got Mine"

because it does not look good.

[djean111]

2. She would, of course, just be visiting that room, and holding up its contents for display purposes,

until after the election. Have not heard a word from her about how she would address any middle-class problems, except to say yep! sure are problems! I have pretty much had it with campaign blather, really. Deeds and not words. TPP, not pretending to be like Bernie. As a woman, her gender means nothing to me at all.
That is a pretty cynical OP, again, IMO. She would be channeling Bernie, just for votes. Kinda obvious.

[WillTwain]

7. I hear you but

I am trying to be hopeful. If she does not shift position in clear language in the primaries, it is a very bad sign. Just pointing out that she has plenty of space to move left, she knows it and if she does not indicate she will shift, we are in for another rough run with a dem in office.

[djean111]

9. I know you are trying to be hopeful, but she is who she is, and all she would shift is her rhetoric.

We would be in for an even more corporate run. IMO, she won't touch social issues that cost nothing, like gay rights and women's rights, but would be real enthusiastic about cutting Social Security and more money for more war.

[WillTwain]

11. Your fears are mine

These are different times and people are really hurting - nearly half of all Americans are in poverty or near poverty. Will she ignore this for eight years? Even the cynic in me can hardly grasp that.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

55. If the polls tell Hillary it's advantageous to address those issues, I think she will at least make a half-hearted effort (betta than none at all).

[WillTwain]

56. Except, the polls may tell her she does not need to. She already has enough support

without them.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. That's what those hundreds of advisors Hillary has hired are paid to do, advise her which supporters are expendable...

It may not be genuine, but you have to admit it's effective.

[WillTwain]

60. Oh, it works

[It is Tuesday]

5. She can run to the left, but will she govern to the left?

My research tells me no.

[WillTwain]

8. That is the point

If she does not move to the left profoundly, with clear promises, it will end badly for workers, again.

[Maedhros]

12. Obama made all sorts of nice-sounding promises,

then promptly gave liberals the finger once in office.

I expect the same from Hillary.

[sendero]

13. I would expect...

... it to be even worse.

[hifiguy]

14. Far worse.

She would never turn on her bankster owners and the MIC.

[sendero]

15. They all work for the banks...

... but at least Obama isn't a total MIC toady like HRC is.

[WillTwain]

19. Do they feel more pressure?

I was watching CNBC this week and even hedge fund managers are saying this may end in revolution.

Can they really ignore our near third world status in half of this country? Is she that dead inside?

[WillTwain]

18. In what ways?

[nakocal]

16. Actually liberals never supported President Obama

Sorry, but but liberals never really supported President Obama. They expected him to magically get everything on their agenda done overnight, forgetting that the racist republicans would block everything that they could. And in 2010, when they could have given President Obama a House and Senate that could override the obstructionists, they stayed home to show their disappointment in President Obama.

You need more than the President to enact change. You also need congress. But some people just are not smart enough to realize that.

[WillTwain]

21. I remember a different scenario

For two years, the wind was at his back. I remember Republicans looking very afraid. Pundits like Carvile were saying Republicans will be in the forest for 40 years.

I believe if Obama had been much more agressive in his first hundred days, he could have put them away. He just did not put money in workers pockets and he gave the finger to labor.

I do not think people are too stuped to realize your point.

[nakocal]

34. He had a filibuster proof Senate for around 45 days, and that was not solid

He did not have two years with the wind at his back. He did not have 60 votes in the Senate to override a filibuster for more than 50 days. And that 60 votes include Lieberman who supported McCain, Blanche Lincoln, Max Bachus, and a couple of other blue-dog Democrats.

But since liberals did not get everything they stayed at home and let the far right tale the House and lost seats in the Senate.

He can NOT make laws, that is the job of Congress. So yes, some liberals have failed at civics as badly as most on the right.

[WillTwain]

35. 45 long days

If Bush ever had that it would have Katy bar the door.

If Obama could not push through more than he did under those circumstances than he is not much of a leader. Come on. If it takes more than that than we will never get anything done.
How the hell could he have not passed a minimum wage increase? Even Republican voters want that. A perfect chance to publicle humiliate the republicans in office and put them away for good. A great president would have found a way. An epic failure.

[WillTwain]

25. By the way, liberals voted for him twice - sort of like support.

[Major Hogwash]

50. Some did, some didn't.

But, you are right about the historic level of obstruction put up by the Republicans in both the House and the Senate.

Even if Hillary wins, the odds are that she will face a hostile Congress, with both houses controlled by the GOP.

[lumberjack_jeff]

63. Sorry... my memory isn't great, but I do remember 2008. n/t

[WillTwain]

64. We all had his back

There is a new meme emerging amongst centrist democrats. How did he get elected with 53% of the vote if the left voted against him?

[WillTwain]

17. Does Hillary care more or have more guts?

[cali]

20. she won't. and no she won't crush any republican. I can see her losing to Walker or Bush

and saying stuff doesn't negate her corporatist history or her hawkishness.

gad. deceive yourself if you wish.

this is hillary who blew the greatest advantages anyone could have asked for in 2008. Anyone who doesn't think she can't fuck up again hasn't been paying attention.

and no she surely isn't likeable enough

[WillTwain]

23. The demographics are incredible for her.

Plus only George W. Bush in 2004 (in the middle of a war) has won the popular vote as a Rethug since 1988.

She may not be likeable, but I cannot imagine her fucking this up. Women will turn out like never before. That alone will nearly carry her.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. If anyone COULD fuck it up, it's Hillary, but I don't she will given the hundreds of advisors and poll testers she has amassed...

Not to worry, by election day, she will have figured out who people want her to be.

[WillTwain]

58. Are you saying she has no conviction?

Triangulator in chief?

[WillTwain]

28. Walker and Bush are no more likeable than Hillary

This will be a charisma free campaign across the board. Do you think Walker can win in blue states against a woman, any woman.

[LWolf]

26. But she won't.

She won't run "to the left" in the primaries, or, should she win the nomination, in the GE. She won't lead from the left should she be elected.

Room or not.

[WillTwain]

27. This country is finished

Ten more years of Obamanomics to will be too much to come back from in our lifetimes.

[Autumn]

29. Rather than having a candidate "act" like they are Bernie

I think I'll go with the man himself, Bernie Sanders.

[WillTwain]

31. I will take silverware over a plastic spoon

Bernie is my guy.

[woo me with science]

49. +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Thank you.

Let's not invite a campaign of lies.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

30. she will crush any Republican, even if Reagan comes back from the dead.

Good time for this I guess

[WillTwain]

32. I gotta admit

if he does not bring Nancy back with him, it will be close.

[nomorenomore08]

37. "She will crush any Republican." I sure hope you're right about that.

It's not that I don't share many other people's criticisms and concerns RE: Clinton. It's more that I think another far-right Republican in office will be the doom of us all - perhaps quite literally (nuclear war etc.).

What can I say, I'm a pessimist by nature. Voting for the lesser evil feels quite natural to me.

[WillTwain]

38. Congratulations on being a pessimist optomism is eating me alive.

She absolutely will hammer any Republican. First, the demographics are insanely to her advantage. Second, the Republicans are going to put up another dud. If Bush wins the nomination, a third party movement will form. If Walker wins, it will be a route. Nobody else matters.

[nomorenomore08]

39. The GOP do have a serious dilemma on their hands.

They have to pander to their extremist base, but have to appeal to the mainstream at the same time. And I don't think any of their current crop can do that - or at least, I hope not.

[DonCoquixote]

40. Jeb can do that, sadly

Our hopes is that Jeb self destructs, or is eaten by Rubio and Cruz.

[WillTwain]

42. Jeb Sucks: He looks so depressed.

He cannot get the bagger base behind him, no chance. I smell a broken party.

[WillTwain]

41. Walker can probably work it both ways

Hillary will drill him in the GE.

[DrDan]

43. "she will crush any Republican" . . . not unlike a few years back when someone here

posted "no way can a Dem lose to Rand Paul"

Just a good thing those who lead our party have more grasp on reality.

[WillTwain]

44. Most pundits believe the demographics are so bad for Republicans

They will not be in the White House for a long time. 2004 was the only time they won a presidential election since 1988. And there is plenty of evidence that the 2004 election was stolen. Plus it was just after the war started.

These guys would have a tough time beating Jeffrey Dahmer and he is dead.

The demographics get worse for them every day. Old whites are becoming extinct and MExicans are multiplying.

I cannot imagine what will derail the democrats. Not even Hillary.

[DrDan]

47. that's why the Dems did so well in the mid-terms

and you had better check your history

Who won the election in 2000?

[WillTwain]

53. Gore won in 2000, midterms are called midterms for a reason

[DrDan]

65. His concession speech means nothing to you?

[WillTwain]

66. The vote count is the issue.

The Supreme Court made the decision. Gore did all he could do. Concede.

[bowens43]

52. she shouldnt have to run to left , she have been there. She's a phony.

If she is the best we can do , we deserve to lose and we should lose.

[WillTwain]

54. We need to get through to her

or the middle-class is finished.

[Throd]

62. Run to the left or pander to the left?