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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:18 PM Mar 2015

Is Post-Racialism an Implicit Bias?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-n-archer/is-postracialism-an-implicit-bias_b_6874788.html

On March 9, a 15-year old Brooklyn teenager was viciously attacked by a group of girls inside a local McDonald's. Video of the incident shows five or six girls repeatedly punching and kicking the victim, even stomping on her head as she is huddled in a ball on the floor. Both the victim and her attackers are Black. Several news reports called the incident a "fight." Yet, when three Black teens violently beat a young White, Florida boy on a school bus, the incident was rightfully called a "beating" and "vicious attack." Some reports referred to it as "savage." In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the Associated Press showed a photograph of two White people wading through the water with groceries and captioned the photo: "Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery." A similar photo, also featured by the Associated Press, showing a young Black man wading through water with groceries is captioned: "A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans."

Despite our declarations of victory over our "racist past," the war against racism is not yet won. What links all of these incidents, spanning almost a decade, is that they are manifestations of racial bias. Not necessarily intentional bias, but bias nonetheless: implicit bias. The Perception Institute has provided a useful definition of implicit bias: "embedded stereotypes that heavily influence our decision making without our conscious knowledge." For example, while many Americans would disclaim holding any negative feelings towards Blacks or Latinos as a group, many in fact hold "automatic associations" of criminality, violence and laziness with Blacks and Latinos. Indeed, one manifestation of implicit bias is the automatic stereotyping of a group that stems from our constant exposure to cultural stereotypes that pervade every aspect of our society.

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The existence and impact of implicit bias, and the ways it infiltrates our thinking, our relationships, and our decisions, is becoming a regular part of the conversation about equality. It helps us explain why some of us see a survivor while others see a "looter"; why some may see a fight while others see an assault. But, despite growing awareness of the role of implicit bias, we continue to ignore a critical implicit bias: post-racialism. And until we acknowledge the role that this implicit bias plays, we cannot move beyond defensive conversations about race to a more productive dialogue.

Many Americans embrace a narrative of post-racialism -- the belief that America is now a color-blind society. Our social norms discount the pervasiveness of race in American institutions, and we have a general reluctance to identify our social problems as a product of racial discrimination. It is not that post-racialists do not see the inequalities; it is that they look for non-racial explanations for the disparities they see. Let's revisit the example above. But now, you are a bystander, watching the older man cross the street as the young Black man approaches. The bystander's implicit bias -- their unconscious embrace of post-racialism -- may find a million ways to explain away the older man's behavior. This is a rough neighborhood; I bet he would cross the street for any approaching young person. Perhaps he was going to cross the street anyway. Anything to ignore and explain away the role that intrinsic racial bias might have played.
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Is Post-Racialism an Implicit Bias? (Original Post) gollygee Mar 2015 OP
Great OP ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #1
It points to a trend I've seen here and elsewhere gollygee Mar 2015 #2
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #3
People make an assumption gollygee Mar 2015 #7
That's not the assumption ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #9
I can't disagree with that. n/t gollygee Mar 2015 #11
right, all the talk about income inequality is completely cynical. whereas anti-racism talk is ND-Dem Mar 2015 #13
You think talk about racism is about putting money in people's pockets? gollygee Mar 2015 #17
wtf are you talking about? income inequality among only white people? no one's saying ND-Dem Mar 2015 #12
WTF are you talking about ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #14
You're right: I, the brain-damaged, minimum-wage worker, am the powerful racist oppressing you. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #15
Your words ... Listen to them, think about them, then get back to me. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #19
I'm going to toss out an example from my own perspective on this whole view that 'social issues' Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #20
"Those of you who insist upon only economic issues being discussed" = no one. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #21
This doesn't make any sense gollygee Mar 2015 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #4
What percentage of Americans believe that America is now a color-blind society? Vattel Mar 2015 #5
I googled and found this gollygee Mar 2015 #6
Thanks for the link. It cited polls don't directly address my question but they are suggestive. Vattel Mar 2015 #8
I'll try and find a survey that I think ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #10
On factor is geographical diversity el_bryanto Mar 2015 #18
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
1. Great OP ...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:37 PM
Mar 2015

Awhile ago I came to the conclusion that when people were championing our "post-racial nation", they were literally saying, "I got over the racism, and you could too ... if you just would get over it!"

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. It points to a trend I've seen here and elsewhere
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:39 PM
Mar 2015

Where one person points out a case of obvious or probably racism, and others jump on trying to explain it away with "perfectly logical explanations."

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
3. Well ...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:53 PM
Mar 2015

any mention of racism is divisive and distracts from what is REALLY important ...INCOME INEQUALITY!!!!!!!

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
7. People make an assumption
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:42 PM
Mar 2015

that we can't get rid of racism until there is no income inequality among white people (they don't say "among white people" but of course that's the case because if there is racism, people of color's income will be affected by that) but that is just an assumption. It could be just as true that we can't get rid of income inequality until we get rid of racism, or that we can't get rid of either one of them without working on the other at the same time. Or that they're not dependant upon each other.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
9. That's not the assumption ...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:32 PM
Mar 2015

That's the rationalization ... The known rationalization.

And that rationalization has always been the cover for getting more money in their pocket.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
13. right, all the talk about income inequality is completely cynical. whereas anti-racism talk is
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:55 PM
Mar 2015

completely idealistic and has nothing to do with putting money in people's pockets.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
17. You think talk about racism is about putting money in people's pockets?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:55 AM
Mar 2015

What? You are not making sense in this thread.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
12. wtf are you talking about? income inequality among only white people? no one's saying
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:33 PM
Mar 2015

anything like that and in fact, your own words show you made it up.

affirmative action didn't get rid of racism, it just brought more black youth into colleges, jobs (like media) and other formerly mainly white venues. and that entry of young black people into formerly segregated areas eventually reduced racism.

income inequality is a form of segregation, and segregation is typically associated with racism.

"racism" can't be eliminated by decree or legislation; inequality can to some degree. so why not take on the easiest tasks first?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. WTF are you talking about ...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:04 PM
Mar 2015

Only a white person could say that affirmative action didn't get rid of racism AND follow up with entry of young black people into formerly segregated areas eventually reduced racism.

This Black man is talking about you don't know what the F you are talking about. Racism hasn't reduced ... it has just changed/morphed into the form YOU f'ing represent ... a white person feel entitled to tell Black people that racism is all better. GTFOOH.

"racism" can't be eliminated by decree or legislation; inequality can to some degree. so why not take on the easiest tasks first?


Because neither is "easy" for me ... and easy for you,still leaves me F'ed ... by you.
 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
15. You're right: I, the brain-damaged, minimum-wage worker, am the powerful racist oppressing you.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 01:06 AM
Mar 2015

and white people have no interest in income equality for all: just for themselves.

and white people, the racists, can't speak about racism.

solidarity forever.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
20. I'm going to toss out an example from my own perspective on this whole view that 'social issues'
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:01 AM
Mar 2015

such as bias against minorities are separate from and not important as 'economic issues' which some on DU keep pushing. I had an exchange in which some straight white person explained to me that 'you can't eat your rights, jobs matter, without jobs your rights do you no good'. 29 States allow open discrimination in employment against LGBT people. The right to access and retain employment is a social issue that is also brutally economic. The poster who told me 'rights don't matter, jobs matter' is literally named after one of the 29 States that allow employment discrimination against LGBT. None are so blind as those who will not see.
You can't solve income inequality issues without addressing racism, homophobia and sexism. They are social issues which have enormous economic impact on those who are treated with social inequality along with the income inequality. Those of you who insist upon only economic issues being discussed are very decidedly speaking of YOUR economic issues, not those of others.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
21. "Those of you who insist upon only economic issues being discussed" = no one.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:30 AM
Mar 2015

"this whole view that 'social issues' such as bias against minorities are separate from and not important as 'economic issues'" = no one.

but it's convenient to say so.

as economic issues are only going to get worse. because there's no institutional will to alter that course.

solidarity forever.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
16. This doesn't make any sense
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:54 AM
Mar 2015

Income inequality exists for people of color for the same reasons as it exists for white people PLUS because of racism. Getting rid of income equality without getting rid of racism would leave people of color behind as one of the reasons their income is less would still exist, therefore they wouldn't be part of the income inequality, therefore it would only be income inequality for white people.

The word "segregation" is usually used about physical separation, and income inequality causes that but isn't that, but even if I use the word "segregation" the way you're using it, the following sentence makes absolutely no sense. "Income inequality is a form of segregation, and segregation is typically associated with racism." What does that have to do with anything?

Response to gollygee (Original post)

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
5. What percentage of Americans believe that America is now a color-blind society?
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:16 PM
Mar 2015

My guess is that the percentage is very small, but I really don't know. Has any social scientist attempted to determine how many Americans are crazy enough to think we live in a post-racial society?

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
8. Thanks for the link. It cited polls don't directly address my question but they are suggestive.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:16 PM
Mar 2015

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
18. On factor is geographical diversity
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:32 AM
Mar 2015

While every area has racial minorities, when we are talking about blacks there are areas where there just aren't as many black people. That doesn't excuse being blind to the issue, but it does explain it a bit better. If the only black person you know is that one coworker and you think she gets treated just like a normal person, than you extrapolate from that one person to assume that most people do that.

Plus many good hearted people really do want to be in a post racial society; and want to believe that that's where we are. It's not malicious (although it may certainly have ill effects) they just want to believe that things are better. One would think that Ferguson and Trayvon Martin and the like would shake that belief, but they don't actually want it shaken.

Bryant

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