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You're goddamn right we want to take fron the rich... (Original Post) Playinghardball Mar 2015 OP
GREAT one!!! calimary Mar 2015 #1
The problem is that the working class jerks don't have the balls to take it back. olegramps Mar 2015 #17
What? they will fight DiverDave Mar 2015 #44
Thing is liberalmike27 Mar 2015 #54
LeeCamp.net for those of us that don't have his page come up automatically erronis Mar 2015 #50
K&R Sherman A1 Mar 2015 #2
You're not getting near the rich; they'll give you the dwindling middle class's money Wella Mar 2015 #3
Saving that one for future use. hifiguy Mar 2015 #4
that's been going on for quite some time MisterP Mar 2015 #5
this is the second quote from st ambrose here so far this month. i'd never heard of him ND-Dem Mar 2015 #29
I just ran into him from my research--American priests were getting exiled from 80s Latin America MisterP Mar 2015 #30
'Why do you reject one who has the same rights over nature as you?' The root of everything. TY. n/t freshwest Mar 2015 #55
I would not say take. More like retrieve stolen property. kairos12 Mar 2015 #6
BRAVO! BRAVO! Dpm12 Mar 2015 #7
George Will's Mar. 25 column locks Mar 2015 #8
smallbarf byronius Mar 2015 #10
I can't stomach that asshole. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #11
Every time a see that stupid prick I want to throw up in his stupid face. olegramps Mar 2015 #16
Tory hack toad. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #14
Stephanoupoulus' Co-host for years WillTwain Mar 2015 #18
There's a small island in the Aleutians I'd love to see Mr. Will on........ raven mad Mar 2015 #21
There are polar bears up there. hifiguy Mar 2015 #24
Nope, they're much farther north........... but I'd happily send him there, too. raven mad Mar 2015 #25
The bears can run for hours. hifiguy Mar 2015 #26
Heck, one died a while back and had half a kayak in it - raven mad Mar 2015 #27
We love his column. rickford66 Mar 2015 #36
K&R..... daleanime Mar 2015 #9
Effin' A! MoreGOPoop Mar 2015 #12
K&R. Right on. Good on Lee Camp. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #13
Exactly. K&R 99Forever Mar 2015 #15
But exploitig the weak has worked so well for so long. jeepers Mar 2015 #19
Bookmarked with a HUGE K&R! nt raven mad Mar 2015 #20
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #22
Snappy campaign slogan for the Democrat in 2016? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #23
Take back our lives and our time and our value. WDIM Mar 2015 #28
Look, I am doing quite well DeadEyeDyck Mar 2015 #31
What's your point? Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #34
NO, not as long as you're paying your fair share of FICA. And most business people are not. YOHABLO Mar 2015 #37
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the message in the OP either. Bonx Mar 2015 #47
I find it strange that you ask that question. Wealth can be created and wealth can be stolen. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #49
Please elaborate StrongBad Mar 2015 #59
I am concerned that you start off with "the only way". I would feel more like you were rhett o rick Mar 2015 #60
Going back to at least Ronald Reagan, the 1% truly has nothing to fear from the 99% anymore. And hey blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #32
UNREC brooklynite Mar 2015 #33
Then the rich who are not stealing need to speak out collectively against the rich who are stealing Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #35
Yes, every "rich" person is "stealing" - that's the system bread_and_roses Mar 2015 #42
bravo! PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #46
Why am I not surprised at your post. All wealthy steal from the poor to one degree or another. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #51
Of course I don't brooklynite Mar 2015 #61
So what about the $1 trillion bank bailout? Who gained and who lost? Did the 99% rhett o rick Mar 2015 #63
Fuckin' a!!!! Initech Mar 2015 #38
Of course, the rich want to take from us as well bhikkhu Mar 2015 #39
I want it back because it doesn't belong to them. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #40
lol Love it. ctsnowman Mar 2015 #43
Perfect! hifiguy Mar 2015 #53
Then there's the guy working next to this guy on the same assembly line claiming that's commie talk. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #41
The problem isn't disparity, it's hoarding. Money was meant to keep passing through hands. Not all freshwest Mar 2015 #45
Hoarding and income distribution are both symptoms, the real problem is the propaganda nolabels Mar 2015 #48
I don't, just spoke to the common meme. I expected to be misinterpreted and shouldn't have bothered. freshwest Mar 2015 #52
We are kind of both on the same page then......... nolabels Mar 2015 #56
Lame stereotyping taught_me_patience Mar 2015 #57
How exactly was money stolen? StrongBad Mar 2015 #58
I trust everyone feels better after having had a chance to vent... brooklynite Mar 2015 #62
We should start with some of our own so people know we are serious obliviously Mar 2015 #64

DiverDave

(4,876 posts)
44. What? they will fight
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:14 AM
Mar 2015

well, till the next episode of 'Dancing with the stars' comes on. Then they will forget they were mad.

liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
54. Thing is
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 01:33 PM
Mar 2015

Redistribution, would not be necessary, if the wealth and income wasn't so poorly distributed in the first place. In fact, we should be talking about the proper distribution, with a BMI (Basic Minimum Income) or jobs program, or higher wages, not just the minimum but up the scale. And for Christ's sake, Democrats need to purge this idea of "free trade agreements," without tariffs. We KNOW they do not work, it isn't simplistic at all to say they are destroying the American Economy, and robbing us of jobs, and giving workers less, and less control. It's just accurate to say that.

erronis

(14,955 posts)
50. LeeCamp.net for those of us that don't have his page come up automatically
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:05 PM
Mar 2015
http://leecamp.net/

I keep forgetting to look at his stuff. Great!
 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
3. You're not getting near the rich; they'll give you the dwindling middle class's money
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 04:16 PM
Mar 2015

And then they'll have everyone poor, except themselves.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
5. that's been going on for quite some time
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:02 PM
Mar 2015

"God created the universe in such a manner that all in common might derive their food from it, and that the earth should also be a property common to all. Why do you reject one who has the same rights over nature as you? It is not from your own goods that you give to the beggar; it is a portion of his own that you are restoring to him. The earth belongs to all. So you are paying back a debt and think you are making a gift to which you are not bound."
--some commie, probably

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
29. this is the second quote from st ambrose here so far this month. i'd never heard of him
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:18 PM
Mar 2015

before but suddenly I'm hearing about him every week. did a movie come out or something?

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
30. I just ran into him from my research--American priests were getting exiled from 80s Latin America
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:51 PM
Mar 2015

as "Commies" because they were quoting Ambrose

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
55. 'Why do you reject one who has the same rights over nature as you?' The root of everything. TY. n/t
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 02:59 PM
Mar 2015

locks

(2,012 posts)
8. George Will's Mar. 25 column
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:18 PM
Mar 2015

titled How Income Inequality Benefits Everybody is a gem. He extols the efficiencies of outsourcing and the beauty of income inequality in a capitalist system. Most of the column is from a book by John Tamny, a Forbes editor. I loved the quote "The best way to spread the wealth around is to leave it in the hands of the wealthy." Since George has plenty left in his hands I am waiting for the time when some of it spreads to me.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
21. There's a small island in the Aleutians I'd love to see Mr. Will on........
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:35 PM
Mar 2015

without transportation elsewhere, one matchbook, one knife, and a tent. That's it.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
25. Nope, they're much farther north........... but I'd happily send him there, too.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:47 PM
Mar 2015

Along with Newt, Cheney, GWB, and a few others - let 'em eat cake............. LOL! Send 'em in on a snow machine with a one-way only tank of gas............


 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
26. The bears can run for hours.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:52 PM
Mar 2015

At a speed far beyond that of an Olympic athlete.

A bear might get indigestion from Cheney, though. I don't know if even a polar bear's gut can handle that much concentrated evil.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
28. Take back our lives and our time and our value.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:58 PM
Mar 2015

We are all valuable and the "rich" needs us more than we need them.

DeadEyeDyck

(1,504 posts)
31. Look, I am doing quite well
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:26 PM
Mar 2015

I am under 30, classified as a minority and make over 250 k/yr. I just pulled a lady from a competitor by paying her more. But is my success making anyone poorer?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
49. I find it strange that you ask that question. Wealth can be created and wealth can be stolen.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:03 PM
Mar 2015

Which are you doing? At 250 k a year, you aren't the problem one way or another, esp if you are paying your fair share of taxes. But I don't want to be building airports for you. Those that acquire billions without creating anything are the problem. They are stealing wealth from someone. The greatest middle class the world has ever seen was built because the wealthy were forced to pay their fair share and regulated from stealing our money. Then came supply-side, I hope you don't support that. Trickle-down was the biggest farce perpetrated on Americans. The results of supply-side amounted to the redistribution of wealth from the middle and lower classes to the wealthy class. If this continues we will be the best defended paupers in the world.

 

StrongBad

(2,100 posts)
59. Please elaborate
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:12 PM
Mar 2015

The only way to make money without creating something is by investing.

Please logically show how investing money in a financial instrument equates to stealing wealth from someone.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
60. I am concerned that you start off with "the only way". I would feel more like you were
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:23 PM
Mar 2015

truly interested if you said, "I believe." Of course if someone holds up a bank they can acquire money. Or if the defraud someone with money. The bank bailout move a trillion dollars from the lower classes to the wealthy. And what does investing mean. How does that "make" money? If I go to Las Vegas and win a million dollars, did I make that money? Or did it move from someone else's pocket to mine. Most investing is straight gambling. Money is moved from the losers to the winners. If the wealthy don't pay taxes and I pay to build an airport, I lose wealth and they get to keep their wealth. I call that stealing. They get wealthier and I get poorer.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
32. Going back to at least Ronald Reagan, the 1% truly has nothing to fear from the 99% anymore. And hey
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:32 PM
Mar 2015
WHAT'S ON TV TONIGHT?!?!


brooklynite

(93,871 posts)
33. UNREC
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:36 PM
Mar 2015

I know that part of the point of a post like this is to vent, but not every "rich" person (my wife included) is stealing from the poor. I know a great many (do the "Patriotic Millionaires" ring a bell?) would work to get Democrats elected and would be happy to have their taxes raised.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
35. Then the rich who are not stealing need to speak out collectively against the rich who are stealing
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:16 AM
Mar 2015

Or it's just like the good cops who let the bad cops get away with crime.

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
42. Yes, every "rich" person is "stealing" - that's the system
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:16 AM
Mar 2015

Quite likely not every rich person approves the current system, perhaps he or she is not a willing party to the theft ... but they are the beneficiaries of a system that takes from the many to give to the few.

Probably many of the "rich" would not personally grossly underpay workers, or take food from the mouths of children, but that's what the system that makes them rich does.

Nor does the charitable giving by some of the rich - sometimes loudly lauded here - make any difference. Nor can any individual rich person rectify the grand theft by, say, giving away all their money and becoming poor - or even "upper middle-class." The money would just end up concentrated in a very few pockets, the way it is now.

That's the system. The "rich" do not exist without exploitation of the rest of us - poor, working class, "middle-class" (whatever that means .... ). The "rich" do not exist without the destruction of the Commons, on which the rest of us depend, because the Commons is the source of wealth. The rich do not exist without a system that makes many poor. That's why the fight is against a system that creates such gross inequality, not against individuals.

Historically, when things get bad enough "the poor" in their rage go after individuals - and then we see the mansions burn and heads on pikes. Our current Oligarchs seem to have forgotten that, or more likely are comfortably (and probably rightly) secure in the ultra-militarization of our law-enforcement to protect them.

As for voting for Democrats as an offset to the grand theft .....

(Parenthesis because we are not defining our terms)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
51. Why am I not surprised at your post. All wealthy steal from the poor to one degree or another.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:08 PM
Mar 2015

Do you support supply-side economics? That's how the wealthy got wealthy, from stealing money. It is possible to create wealth, but most wealth in the last 30 has been stolen wealth.

brooklynite

(93,871 posts)
61. Of course I don't
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:45 PM
Mar 2015

Why do you think I work to elect people who will raise my taxes?

Funny think: I thought people became wealthy by having other people voluntarily given them money for products or services they want.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
63. So what about the $1 trillion bank bailout? Who gained and who lost? Did the 99%
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:04 PM
Mar 2015

give the money for a product? How about when the wealthy don't pay for their taxes and we pay for their defense?

bhikkhu

(10,708 posts)
39. Of course, the rich want to take from us as well
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 01:35 AM
Mar 2015

...doing so is how most of them got that way. The better among them got rich by making stuff people are happy to give up their money for (Jobs comes to mind), but a great many of them get rich by giving people no choice, or clever deceits. All of them could easily stand to be a bit less rich, and they'd be happier and healthier people living in a more equal society (whether they think so or not).

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
40. I want it back because it doesn't belong to them.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 02:37 AM
Mar 2015
- It doesn't belong to anyone. Only to everybody.

K&R

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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
45. The problem isn't disparity, it's hoarding. Money was meant to keep passing through hands. Not all
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:27 AM
Mar 2015
people value money, or what it can buy. But all need the essentials of life.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
48. Hoarding and income distribution are both symptoms, the real problem is the propaganda
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:49 AM
Mar 2015

The public in mass have been led to believe that nothing can be changed and so they stay that way. The public as single unit has been fenced in physiological barriers that would be easily overrun if a large enough percentage headed that way. People like Elizabeth Warren scare people who want everybody to think the same. It's not because of the things they know but because they think different from the way they supposedly should have been trained. Learned helplessness is contagious. The reason things are like they are is because people have been indoctrinated to think that way.

If you believe things are that way, then they are

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
52. I don't, just spoke to the common meme. I expected to be misinterpreted and shouldn't have bothered.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 01:11 PM
Mar 2015

I'm talking about something else. Some of us want a different way for society to be organized. Peace out.




And I'm getting ticked off at all my replies and updated being time outed by DU the last 24 hours. They load forever, and I'm clicking over and over. No other website is aggravating me like this lately.

Waiting, waiting, waiting for DU...



nolabels

(13,133 posts)
56. We are kind of both on the same page then.........
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 03:55 PM
Mar 2015

It's the way things are organized and priorities that are set.

We all probably agree there is a or problem(s) but just what it is and how to describe what it could be is probably like watching the three blind men describing what an elephant is.

I wouldn't fret about DU too much either, after 13+ yrs here i have seen it change a lot too, but its still got a lot to offer

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
57. Lame stereotyping
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 03:59 PM
Mar 2015

And really comes off as sour grapes. I'm surprised there are so many recs... I'd unrec if I could.

 

StrongBad

(2,100 posts)
58. How exactly was money stolen?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:05 PM
Mar 2015

Is this a reference to the collapse in stocks and 401ks during the 2008 crash?

You know that one is able to actively monitor and change the investments within your 401ks, right? So how is it anyone's responsibility that someone lost on a bad investment? It's not anybody else's responsibility to decide on how to invest your money.

Besides, if you didn't sell during the crash all of those losses would have been recouped by now and you actually would be quite profitable.

This seems like a lot of meaningless bluster.

brooklynite

(93,871 posts)
62. I trust everyone feels better after having had a chance to vent...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:46 PM
Mar 2015

...since this thread doesn't seem to have been intended to accomplish anything more useful.

obliviously

(1,635 posts)
64. We should start with some of our own so people know we are serious
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:22 PM
Mar 2015

George Soros, Warren Buffett, the Kennedy's, Teresa Heinz etc.........

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