Criticism of free trade and china right now

[nadinbrzezinski]

On Ratygan.

Yup, and water is wet.

[earthside]

1. Ha! About Tim Geithner

Tim Geithner is the economic Neville Chamberlain of our time ... Peter Navarro says.

I couldn't agree more.

Ah oh .... Dylan isn't being just an MSNBC cheerleader for Pres. Obama.
Bad. Bad. Bad.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. When it comes to both parties and free trade

Both are responsible, yup.

[Elwood P Dowd]

4. The majority of Democrats voted against all the republican negotiated fake free trade deals --

NAFTA, GATT/WTO, CAFTA, etc.. Mostly it was the DLC type Dems such as Clinton, Gore, Bradley, Foley, Matsui, Richardson, that were in bed with the repubs on that crap.

[badtoworse]

5. NAFTA was passed by a Democratic congress and signed by Bill Clinton, a Democratic president.

It was a bad precedent and in my opinion, set the stage for other bad trade deals.

Neither party has clean hands on the free trade issue.

[pampango]

12. The last Pew poll showed that Democrats are the only ones with a positive view of NAFTA/WTO.

Teabaggers were about 3 to 1 (63%-24%) against NAFTA/WTO, while republicans overall were about 2 to 1 (54%-28%)the same way. Only Democrats thought that they were good for the US by a slim 40% to 35% plurality.

Now in terms of their politicians, teabaggers/republicans are good at electing representatives who vote the opposite from what the base believes in with respect to trade.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Ok I guess you want to rewrite history

I am not going there. This is a bipartisan problem...

And truthfully, voters are not that stupid either.

[Elwood P Dowd]

8. I will repeat this one more time:

The majority of the Democrats were opposed to NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA. Almost 100% of the republicans voted for them. They way Congress was then that ment a narrow passage for those bills. Clinton didn't negotiate any of those agreements. Except for CAFTA under Bush Jr, the other major ones were negotiated by Bush Sr USTR Carla Hills. Bush Sr signed them in December, 1992. Clinton went along with the repukes in 1993 and took a few Dems with him in order to pass the implementing legislation required, but NOT the majority of Dems.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. I will repeat this once again

go ahead and rewrite history all you want. But this is a bipartisan problem. It was passed by a DEM house. last time I checked and as far as NAFTA is concerned, SIGNED by a dem president. I know who negotiated this. That be Bush Senior.

So carefully RE-READ THIS. This is a bipartisan problem. We do not live in a political system where the blue dogs are a separate party in the democratic party.

And voters, once again, are not that stupid.

[Elwood P Dowd]

10. I was simply stating that the MAJORITY of Dems were against most of these deals.

I think with NAFTA is was in the 60-70% range. Clinton made some sleazy deals with the repukes and with a minority of Dems to pass the crap. It's been almost 20 years, but I remember being mad as hell with Clinton, Gore, Bradley, Matsui,
Richardson, and some of the others that jumped in bed with the repukes. Making a blanket statement that the Dems were just as much in favor of this as the repukes is just not true.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. You go on and ask people who are not as plugged

As you are...

[earthside]

3. Oh no.

Now Ratigan is interviewing New York assemblyman Hakeem Jeffries -- about his proposal to have more competitive elections -- less influence for special interests and big money.

Man, Ratigan is such a tool, uh?

Interviewing Democrats and giving a platform to a Democratic candidate for Congress who advocates for public financing of elections.

A bit of ...
: :

Despite Dylan Ratigan having some of the most progressive voices on economics and campaign finance reform on television, he gets ripped here at DU all the time.

Yup, he is not a cheerleader and, yes, he talks too much; but for folks who like to hear a different perspective especially on the economic front, Ratigan has a good show.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Fully agreed, why I watch him almost every day

yes, at times he can be irritating, but he always has something good.