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Thu May 3, 2012, 01:56 PM

Obama approval among liberal Dems, week ending April 29: 88%.

Among Democrats as a whole, 83%. Independents, 45%. Republicans, 13%. Approval among whites is 38%, among non-whites it's 73%. Approval is pretty much even between men (46) and women (50). Approval among those 18 to 29 is 60%, compared to 46-47 among those 30 to 64. Geographically, it's pretty much even, varying only from 47% approval in the west and south to 50% in the east.

Bear in mind this is the WEEKLY numbers, which have Obama's approval/disapproval at 48/46, not the DAILY numbers which have him at 51/43. So things have improved since this snapshot was taken. I'm sure the anniversary of Bin Laden getting his ticket punched probably didn't hurt.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

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Reply Obama approval among liberal Dems, week ending April 29: 88%. (Original post)
TheWraith May 2012 OP
treestar May 2012 #1
TheWraith May 2012 #5
Rex May 2012 #6
TheWraith May 2012 #8
Rex May 2012 #11
UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #21
Rex May 2012 #42
Rex May 2012 #2
Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #3
Lionessa May 2012 #4
TheWraith May 2012 #7
Lionessa May 2012 #9
UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #17
TheWraith May 2012 #25
BumRushDaShow May 2012 #10
gratuitous May 2012 #12
TheWraith May 2012 #26
gratuitous May 2012 #31
lamp_shade May 2012 #13
UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #14
JoePhilly May 2012 #18
UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #20
Wait Wut May 2012 #27
UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #29
Wait Wut May 2012 #30
UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #32
Wait Wut May 2012 #33
UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #34
progressoid May 2012 #35
Wait Wut May 2012 #36
progressoid May 2012 #39
Wait Wut May 2012 #40
TheWraith May 2012 #24
Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #38
UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #41
Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #43
UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #44
Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #46
jillan May 2012 #15
just1voice May 2012 #16
Inuca May 2012 #19
TheWraith May 2012 #22
anti-alec May 2012 #23
UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #28
Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #37
Scurrilous May 2012 #45

Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2012, 01:58 PM

1. So the hoopla about Obama "losing" various groups is not based on statistics.

No surprise.

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Response to treestar (Reply #1)

Thu May 3, 2012, 02:02 PM

5. Yep. It's "conventional wisdom" in the sense of "here's what we think."

"And we're not going to burden our speculation with facts."

The stats now are pretty close to exactly what they were circa the 2008 election, actually.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #5)

Thu May 3, 2012, 02:04 PM

6. I would say those are very solid numbers then for 4 years.

More the reason I think our POTUS is heading for his second term.

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Response to Rex (Reply #6)

Thu May 3, 2012, 02:10 PM

8. Double checking quickly, I was pretty much right.

Gallup circa December 2008 had him at 88% of liberal Dems, and the actual election results had him winning 43% of white voters. So he's holding with liberals, slipping a little bit with white voters--but there's the inherent problem of comparing approval to actual voting, since there's always a certain portion of people who will gripe and grumble but in the end vote for who they perceive as the least bad choice.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #8)

Thu May 3, 2012, 02:18 PM

11. You might also want to cross-post this in the Politics 2012 forum.

True, despite all the criticism and some of it admittedly Obama-bashing will turn right around and vote for him again.

I like the fact that he has had rock solid support for those 4 years from liberals.

Excellent news.

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Response to Rex (Reply #11)

Thu May 3, 2012, 04:47 PM

21. Rock solid support from liberals?

 

Look, this here poll says so. It must be true.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #21)

Thu May 3, 2012, 09:32 PM

42. Rock solid.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2012, 01:59 PM

2. Looks like it has gone up a few points.

Liberals got his back.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2012, 02:02 PM

3. IBTR!

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2012, 02:02 PM

4. #1 I think "liberal" is too subjective a term to quantify, certainly

 

some I've met that claim to be liberal, I would consider Bluedogs.

#2 Comparatively, Obama is looking like the only rational choice which probably effects one's approval rating, sort of as we've seen with Romney's support amongst the wingnuts who are now managing to seem more approving than they did even last week.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #4)

Thu May 3, 2012, 02:06 PM

7. Maybe, but reading the statistics, there's only one way really to take them...

That the more liberal you are, the more likely you are to support Obama. Even among Democrats, his support drops off to 79% among moderates, and 73% among conservative Democrats, while he gets 26% from liberal or moderate Republicans and 10% from conservative Republicans.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #7)

Thu May 3, 2012, 02:13 PM

9. I know I'm nit picking, but I think it's an important pick

 

to suggest that since it is "self-indentified" liberals, it only means that many people who support Obama claim to be liberal, and may even believe themselves to be, but doesn't really assure that they are in fact traditionally "liberal".

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #7)

Thu May 3, 2012, 04:12 PM

17. Do you consider yourself a liberal, Wraith?

 

Let's see how far we can stretch this term...

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #17)

Thu May 3, 2012, 05:05 PM

25. I am.

I much prefer it over "progressive" which I see as kind of an attempt to squirm out of saying that one is a liberal.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #4)

Thu May 3, 2012, 02:17 PM

10. I don't think the wingnuts have changed

Their propaganda machines may have shifted but the hard core base ain't buying it.

PA's primary only had a 20% turnout, which is remarkable because Presidential election years usually get us up in the 40s, with high-40s for strong primary contests.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #4)

Thu May 3, 2012, 02:20 PM

12. Oh, don't sully the party with inconvenient facts

Besides the difficulty with categorizing who might be considered a "liberal," there's also the problem with what "approve" might mean. Does it mean "approval" of each and every program and policy? Is it "approval" over against some hypothetical non-existent Republican administration? Or "approval" against the possibility, however unlikely, of a Romney administration?

The number just gets thrown out there without too much else, and it seems to be brandished as a hedge or a warning against voicing too much opposition to the administration, or to paint such opposition as "outside" where all the kool kidz are, which seems to be a realm where trimming the Constitution to fit this year's fashion is an honorable and ongoing activity.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #12)

Thu May 3, 2012, 05:07 PM

26. I love watching people try to spin this away.

It's like arguing what the meaning of "is" is. Some people here are so desperate to deny the fact that the vastly overwhelming majority of liberals do not share their unrealistic and propaganda-based views about the President and the Democrats.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #26)

Thu May 3, 2012, 05:34 PM

31. Whatever is meant by "this"

But I know I'm not one of the kool kidz; I just point out that "this" might not be what the kool kidz think it is, either. I still don't approve of summary executions and indiscriminate missile launch blanket reprisals, and I think I stand on pretty firm ground as an American who still trusts our Constitution above any personality cults of the 88%. I remember when George W. Bush's approval ratings were at 90%, and I wasn't one of the kool kidz then, either.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2012, 03:57 PM

13. Yup. It keeps going up.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2012, 04:09 PM

14. Does it factor in the results that many progressives

 

no longer identify themselves as Democrats? (I canavased for and voted for Obama even though I have been an independent for years. You have to also factor in that these polls don't reach people with unlisted cell phones. (Which includes everyone I know except my mom.) You have to factor in that though these respondents consider themselves "liberal", what they know about Obama's presidency they get from the nightly news or CNN.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #14)

Thu May 3, 2012, 04:16 PM

18. What are they now ... Anarchists? Republicans? Libertarians?

btw ... I'm an Obama supporter with an unlisted cell phone. So these polls apparently don't include me, my wife, or my son ... all, Obama supporters.

And last ... when you use a phrase like "these respondents consider themselves liberal" ... what you just said is that YOU get to judge whether or not they ARE actually liberal. Which is kind of like when the far right wing tries to decide who the "Real Christians" are.

You, like them, have a purity test. Weird.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #18)

Thu May 3, 2012, 04:41 PM

20. I didn't say they were or weren't liberal,

 

now did I?

Using only land line phones for a poll is going to effect the poll results. No doubt about that.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #20)

Thu May 3, 2012, 05:21 PM

27. Gallup is polling cell phones.

I learned that right here on DU. So, I checked Gallup's site and there it is...they poll cell phones. They haven't called me, yet. I'm one of those Liberal Democrats that approves of our President, along with my husband, so we'd just tic that percentage up a billionth or sumthin'.

I don't know the technicalities of Gallup's cell phone polling. It could be if you are on the "Do Not Call" list they wouldn't have access to your number.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #27)

Thu May 3, 2012, 05:28 PM

29. Isn't everyone on the "do not call" list?

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #29)

Thu May 3, 2012, 05:33 PM

30. Nope. In fact,

...you have to re"join" every year(?) or so. I forgot not too long ago and was bombarded with freakin' insurance calls. The husband will get polled, but only because he forwards his business phone to his cell. But Gallup hasn't called, just the GOP...which is hilarious. He's left some tasty comments.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #30)

Thu May 3, 2012, 05:53 PM

32. I don't remember if I'm on it or not.

 

I don't get spam calls.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #32)

Thu May 3, 2012, 05:58 PM

33. I had forgotten about it...

...until "it" happened. That first call asking me if I wanted my loved ones to suffer after I died. I couldn't get online fast enough to rejoin DoNotCall. I'm pretty sure I was mumbling unique expletives while I was doing so. But, there's a "waiting period", so I had to endure those calls for a few days. I developed a case of the "get off my lawn"s. I may have made a few of them cry.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #33)

Thu May 3, 2012, 06:16 PM

34. That's food for thought.

 

I don't think I'll do it just yet though. Gallop might call.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #30)

Thu May 3, 2012, 07:13 PM

35. Wrong - Your registration will not expire.

https://www.donotcall.gov/

Your registration will not expire. Telephone numbers placed on the National Do Not Call Registry will remain on it permanently due to the Do-Not-Call Improvement Act of 2007

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Response to progressoid (Reply #35)

Thu May 3, 2012, 07:21 PM

36. They must have changed it...

...with the "Improvement Act", because it absolutely used to expire. 2007? Damn. I swear it wasn't that long ago. But, yeah...I guess that is about right.

Good to know they changed it, but now I feel older than I did 15 minutes ago.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #36)

Thu May 3, 2012, 07:55 PM

39. I'm on it but still get lots of unwanted solicitations.

Drives me CRAZY.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #39)

Thu May 3, 2012, 08:02 PM

40. You have to report them.

It's a serious pain in the ass, but it works.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #14)

Thu May 3, 2012, 05:04 PM

24. There is no evidence that progressives/liberals no longer identify as Democrats.

In fact, statistics show that those who identify themselves as simply "liberals" and not liberal Democrats are in fact more conservative than liberal Democrats.

But by all means, please keep trying to spin away the fact that the overwhelming majority of liberals support the President and the job he's doing.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #14)

Thu May 3, 2012, 07:27 PM

38. Yeah. That must be it.



A few numbers to back up your wild speculation would be nice. Link??? Or is this just "a feeling"?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #38)

Thu May 3, 2012, 08:05 PM

41. A few numbers to back up that I'm wrong enough

 

to do the crazy dance?

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #41)

Thu May 3, 2012, 10:56 PM

43. I thought not!



The stuff you've made up in your head doesn't qualify as thoughtful political analysis, especially since your specious argument was already used on me once this week. Is a little proof too much to ask? And just so you know, is no substitute for a solid rebuttal and/or proof. Just so you know.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #43)

Thu May 3, 2012, 11:08 PM

44. That must have been one hell of a debate.

 

Too bad I don't remember it. Just a guess... were there lots of ?

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #44)

Thu May 3, 2012, 11:31 PM

46. Nope. Only crickets! At least you're trying to pretend you know what you're talking about.

I can't say I respect it, but I certainly admire your gumption.

I'll be over here ---------->>>>>> waiting for a link about those throngs of liberal dems who now identify as "independents". Shouldn't be hard to find if it's true, right? Proof? Any proof, except that which you've made up in your head, will suffice.

Thanks in advance.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2012, 04:10 PM

15. When it comes to President Obama vs R'Money - it only makes sense to see high numbers.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2012, 04:11 PM

16. How about progressive dems? Gallopuke seems to think we don't exist

 

Gallup is a repuke propaganda firm, their numbers are not credible regardless of what the numbers are.

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Response to just1voice (Reply #16)

Thu May 3, 2012, 04:19 PM

19. Nonsense n/t

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Response to just1voice (Reply #16)

Thu May 3, 2012, 05:02 PM

22. That's what "liberal" means.

Prior to trying to sanitize it to pretend like one isn't a liberal.

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Response to anti-alec (Reply #23)

Thu May 3, 2012, 05:23 PM

28. Are we still doing the Friday k&r if you like Obama threads?

 

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2012, 07:24 PM

37. Thank you MIRT. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2012, 11:10 PM

45. K & R

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