Cruz Birth Certificate

[kpete]

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Canada Apologizes For Weak Border Security, Allowing Ted Cruz To Cross

In a press release from Canadian Parliament:

“It has come to our attention that the border security between the United States and Canada was not quite strong enough during the year 1974 when Rafael Edward Cruz, better known now as Ted Cruz entered the United States. Had we known then that he would go on to become such a heavy kink in the legislative process in the U.S.A. we would have thought twice before allowing him to enter. Although, we are grateful that the U.S. has to deal with him now and not us. His blatant acts of malfeasance including lying with no remorse, reciting children’s poetry, and shutting down government as part of a plan to get his way are not only petty, but precarious and selfish, albeit inventive.

We cannot express our condolences enough for the oversight at our border security checkpoint. As part of our due diligence to make up for it, we will be taking the steps required to acquire back Justin Bieber. It’s really the least we can do.

It is our hope that this will mend fences between the two nations.”

http://www.freewoodpost.com/2014/09/09/canada-apologizes-for-weak-border-security-allowing-ted-cruz-to-cross/

[leftofcool]

1. Oh piss! We will keep Justin but you are damn sure taking back Cruz!

[TheBlackAdder]

28. HE IS JUST RUNNING TO: Plug family and friends into campaign cash, get attention, live on OPM. nt

[Fred Sanders]

2. I want his certificate of approval from his vengeful and full of hate God and his radical Dominionist Church.

[clydefrand]

3. Has anyone found his form to verify his US birthright

Canadian birth cert. doesn't mean squat. Where is his form that should have been submitted by his
mother shortly after his birth in Canada. Has anyone found that form? Renouncing his
Canadian citizenship does NOT make him a US citizen!!! (It could mean he isn't a citizen of any
country).

[2naSalit]

5. Can we do

to him what happened to the guy in the story Man Without A Country?

[Nay]

8. Incorrect. Canada will not rescind the citizenship if it leaves the person stateless. So if Canada

HAS rescinded his citizenship, it has determined that he is, indeed, a citizen of some other country.

It has been rehashed endlessly in past conversations, but here's something I posted way back then:

Since Cruz had Canadian citizenship through a Canadian birth and a Canadian birth certificate, I don't think it's crazy to ask to provide documentation of his American citizenship. There ARE certain restrictions -- a baby born abroad should be registered with the US embassy and get that certificate. For babies born abroad of a US citizen mother, there are other restrictions -- the mother, for example, has to have lived in the US for 5 uninterrupted years after the age of 14, before the birth of the child. IOW, US citizenship is not always automatic even if one or both parents are US citizens.

Now, I'm sure the St Dept is pretty liberal about providing the FS-240 (Birth of US Citizen Abroad) to older children and maybe even adults if the circumstances of the birth are clear, but still, it doesn't answer the question: what paperwork did his parents use to get him his US passport? If I were he, I'd just produce that paper and renounce my Canadian citizenship. My bet is that he can't produce that paper. Maybe his parents are total ninnies with paperwork, maybe they're hoarders, who knows.

But it's still a strange situation and any normal politician would have squared up and produced his paperwork to destroy all the speculation immediately. Cruz? He still hasn't produced anything except his revocation papers, which, if you'll remember, he said he was consulting his lawyers about. Riiiiight. The form is 4 pages, one of which is a signature page, and all he needed to do was fill that out, enclose a check for $100 Canadian, and Bob's your uncle. But it took him A WHOLE YEAR to get this done. This idiot can't find his asshole with a flashlight.

The simple fact that he won't produce anything but a passport is quite strange. The fact that he acted like getting a renunciation was a big deal and took a year with the lawyers on it -- also very strange. Cruz strikes me as the kind of person who sends raving all caps letters to the newspaper every day about the local utility company or something. He's completely unable to focus on what needs to be done, take the few small steps to do it, and then finish it. Everything is a fight with big bad govt or big bad liberals.

[HassleCat]

30. Parents Were Bad

My hunch is, his parents got him a passport by claiming he was born in the US. That would be easier than going back and doing all the paperwork for a child born abroad to a US citizen. Of course, if this is the case, the parents made a false declaration to get his passport, and they could be in trouble for that, although I'm sure it's not considered that big a deal. The most likely situation is that Cruz doesn't want to make his parents look bad. I guess it would be Mom, since she is the US-born citizen. It would be interesting to know when he got his passport, how old he was, and so on. I don't think it matters, since so many people consider him to be a crackpot, and he has no chance of getting the nomination. This is kind of the final nail in the coffin, since the GOP could not allow anyone to be nominated if there are questions about his citizenship status, considering the flap they raised about Obama. Personally, I would enjoy seeing Cruz stay in the race for a while. It would be even better if he miraculously got the nomination.

[Nay]

32. He was 14 when he got his passport. I doubt very seriously that his parents could simply

claim he was a US citizen and he would be issued a passport; if it were that easy everybody would be doing it. First, they at least had to prove he was their kid, right? So, the Canadian birth certificate is theoretically the only way they could do that, since Cruz and his parents have never been able to produce any paper of any kind from the US govt that acknowledges his birth at all. But a Canadian birth cert isn't going to get you a US passport, I can promise you that.

What I suspect happened is that his parents at some period got him the paper "Birth of a US Citizen Abroad" and used that to get him the passport, and then promptly lost that paper. What is mystifying is how the toddler Cruz got into kindergarten without a US birth certificate, how he registered at school and with doctors without one. Maybe he used his Canadian BC to register, but then how can he claim he had no idea he was Canadian if he and his parents have been using the CA BC all along? And if they had the "Birth of a US Citizen Abroad" paper all along, why can't they produce it? If it has been lost, it is an easy thing to get a replacement -- takes only a simple request. Why go through all the craziness of renouncing your Canadian citizenship when all you had to do was ask the State Dept to reissue your "Birth of a US Citizen Abroad" paper? He's a Senator, fer chrissake, all he had to do to clear it all up in 10 minutes was have his office formally request a copy from the State Dept and he'd be done. It's been 2 years and the only thing he has produced is the official Canadian letter that says his Canadian citizenship has been cancelled! Who cares???? Nobody really cares if he's a Canadian, we just want an original document that says he's a natural-born US citizen too!!! A passport doesn't do that.

He's been going around in circles, doing everything BUT take steps to produce that document. That's simply weird. Why is he doing this? This is the real question. He's just stirring the waters, trying to deflect, and no one knows why. Frankly, I'm surprised the State Dept hasn't called him up and said, "Hey, crackhead, just ask for a copy of your BUSCA, or apply for one as an adult, and we'll send you one!"

That's what is so crazy. It's easy to clear this up. Why can't he seem to?

Do we dare suspect the the GOP didn't vet him properly before they invited him to run for Senator?

What on earth could really be going on here? Is it just that Cruz is really stupid or schizo? Even then, you'd think some tea party lawyer or admin in his office would fix this for him in no time. There is no discernible reason for this to be so hard, even for Cruz.

[cheapdate]

63. Why Ted Cruz has a strong shot at the GOP nomination:

http://goplifer.com/2014/12/14/did-ted-cruz-just-lock-up-the-nomination/

He's not a weak candidate because he's a crazy asshole, he's a strong candidate because he's a crazy asshole. Even if saner, business-oriented Republicans don't like him, they'll still vote for him.

[Scarsdale]

49. Dual Citizenship

I am British. Married a US serviceman. Daughter born on US air base in London, England. When it was time to travel to US, baby had to have her own passport. Father had none, his military I.D. served as his passport. I was not allowed to have her on my British passport, since they considered her American first. So, at 3 months old, she had her own passport. His mother needs to be investigated as to her citizenship, how long was she a citizen if ever, or just lived here? After the Obama fiasco Cruz needs to come up with PROOF.

[CreekDog]

55. if she was born in Wilmington, Delaware she's a citizen, period.

[Buzz505]

61. I feel sorry for anybody born in Wilmington Delaware.

The place is horrible. Being from Delaware, I am glad they did not take there stupid little boy back there.

[treestar]

70. I was born there!

[treestar]

71. Yes, to prove his citizenship, Ted needs

his birth certificate, his mother's birth certificate, and establish that she lived in the US the requisite number of years. That's what it would take for him to get a US passport.

[homegirl]

53. Where is

the Birth Certificate issued by the American Embassy in Canada?

My children were born in Europe to American parents, both parents being American citizens by birth, they were issued Birth Certificates from the American Embassy testifying to their American citizenship.

[onecaliberal]

4. What about the LONG form?

I need to see it.

[Trekologer]

11. That's not a "Certificate of Live Birth"

Clearly, it isn't valid. Ted Cruz is either not a U.S. citizen and/or not alive.

[onecaliberal]

12. I think not alive... Zombie apocalypse!

[ismnotwasm]

54. LOL!

Nice one!

[rpannier]

82. It better also not be on a dot matrix printer

or containing any other of those new newfangled devices.

[smirkymonkey]

6. K&R!

[BumRushDaShow]

7. He's not a "natural born" citizen.

[freshwest]

40. Don't get me started...

[classykaren]

45. I agree so who is going to stop this?

[treestar]

72. Not according to birther theory

It will be fun to watch them twist themselves into pretzels trying to differentiate Cruz's situation from Obama's. Had Cruz's father been born in the US it would be consistent, but according to their rules for Obama, Cruz is Cuban. Period. Even had he been born in the USA.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. The hypocrisy roils but I have as much real chance to be pres as he does.

He would lose by Goldwater proportions.

[slater71]

10. Maybe we should always refer to him as Rafael Cruz.

just saying they refer to the president using his full proper name. Why not Cruz? Also, awhile ago he said he was going to revoke his Canadian citizenship. What ever happened to that?

[n2doc]

13. Yep. I always refer to Louisiana's Gov. as Pyush Jindal n/t

[Nay]

33. You can google the renunciation letter -- I just did.

The thing is, who cares if he is a Canadian citizen, really? For the purpose of running for president, it doesn't matter if he's a dual citizen -- it only matters that he is a natural born US citizen. Renouncing his Canadian citizenship, which he did with great fanfare despite the fact that it is a simple 4-page form, does nothing to prove he's a natural born US citizen.

That proof has yet to surface, although it should be easy to get from the State Dept if he and his parents can show their birth certificates and his. See my post above.

So why hasn't he taken the simple steps to get that paper?

[unc70]

50. He is not natural born. Period.

End of discussion. No amount of letters renouncing makes any difference.

[erronis]

14. Eh?

Us state-siders aren't used to apologies.

Please take him back and make him work in his beloved tar sands.

[Gothmog]

15. Carnival Cruz is probably eligible but we can have some fun with the birthers

[underpants]

48. The Calgary Kid

But I like the nickname Carnival Cruz too

[Gothmog]

62. I like this cartoon

[treestar]

74. Yep. See them twisting in the wind attempting to

differentiate their claims about Obama from Carnival Cruz's birth situation.

[GETPLANING]

16. Constitutional scholar Ted Cruz announces run for President tomorrow.

Should make for interesting headlines

[kpete]

25. Josh Marshall Endorses Ted Cruz!

I Endorse

ByJOSH MARSHALLPublishedMARCH 22, 2015, 10:50 AM EDT

All disagreements, I can honestly say that no one is happier than I am to see my one-time college classmate (one year off, but who's counting) Ted Cruz announce his run for the presidency. One point stuck out for me. As we know, the FEC has created a formal "testing the waters" phase of a presidential run in which the candidate creates a so-called exploratory committee. Admittedly, this is often a nominal effort. But the notional purpose is to create a period of investigation, self-reflection and canvassing for support to see if I, fill-in-the-blank, should really seek the highest office in the land.

In an act of daring act of characterological appropriateness, Cruz has decided this is simply unnecessary. Of course he should run for president. What is there to find out? (I'm not sure any major candidate has ever done this before; though it seems others may follow.)

This will be awesome.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/i-endorse

[freshwest]

41. LOL! One of the tweets said, 'A vote for Ted in the primaries is a vote for Hillary in the general.'

It's all a plot, I tell you!

[lark]

17. Yeah Canada, you really f#ed up this time.

Please never do that again. Keep the Canadian crazies on your side, we have way more than enough of our own, don't need you exporting them here.

How can he run for President when he's Canadian?? Does the constitution not count if the Repugs want to ignore it? WTF??

[the devil]

22. Can't blame Canada.

For Cruz to enter the United States of America from Canada, he would have had to pass through U.S. Customs, not Canada Customs. Your guys let him in.

Sorry about that, eh.

[lark]

60. Yes, just generally angry that he's here, how it happened is basically irrelevant.

Can we pay Canada to take him back?

[treestar]

73. and right wingers usually want the border controlled!

"sealed" is their favorite word!

[mitch96]

18. The infamous "Yea But"

Yea but I wanna see his MOTHERS birth certificate……
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[Cleita]

19. This is what he needs:

http://www.immigrationdirect.com/us-citizenship/Certificate-of-Citizenship-Form-N-600.jsp



I have one. My father was an American from birth and I was born in a foreign country, and if his party has a right to demand President Obama's birth certificate, we have a right to demand this.

[trueblue2007]

31. but,,,, what if he won't supply & show his birth certificate???

[Nay]

34. He doesn't HAVE a US birth certificate. He has to apply for and get the substitute form

(that 600 form, or, when he was born, I believe it was the form "Birth of a US Citizen Abroad." There is no reason why he does not have one or the other of these forms.

[Nay]

35. Yes, we do. This form, or the older version, needs to be produced or Cruz has no proof

he is a natural born US citizen. It's that simple.

[riverbendviewgal]

20. Good riddance. Cruz is Sen Joe McCarthy reincarnated

It only cost him a mailed letter and $100 To renounce his Canadian citizenship.

A Canadian baby born in border hospital in the USA must wait until he/she is of age to renounce. They must go to a US Counsel ( a year wait for the appointment) file 6 years of banking records, 6 years of US Tax files and pay $2,350 US to renounce. Then they will need a CLN, Citizen Loss of Nationalty paper from the State department (6 - 12 month wait and must be requested in a US counsel) . The CLN is needed togive to thei banks so their banks willnotclose their accounts because the are dual citzens.


The sooner the better to renounce, many who are duals are not aware theymust file US taxes.
The USA usCitizen based taxation, the rest of the world ( except Eritrea) uses resident based taxation.

I think the USA should not allow dual citizenship.

[mwooldri]

21. Mr. Cruz is definitely a citizen of the Americas.

Just as much as Vladimir Putin is a citizen of Europe.

Those two things we can be certain of.

If we can then pinpoint Mr. Cruz's actual citizenship to Canada, the United States of America, or Cuba .... that is the question.

In any case, I don't think he qualifies as being eligible for the office of the President of the United States of America. He wasn't born on American soil, and only his mother is a US citizen. John McCain qualifies since he was on US soil in a foreign country to two US citizens. Barack Obama qualifies since he was born on US soil to one US citizen. If Mr. Cruz qualifies for that office, then I want to see Arnold Schwarzenegger run.

[Cleita]

26. Be careful for what you wish for.

Back when Gov. Gropenator was in office, there was a movement in Congress to change the law so he could run. That law would shoe horn in Cruz as well. Then what would be next? Netanyahu as President? God forbid!

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/alvin-felzenberg/2011/05/26/benjamin-netanyahu-for-president-in-2012

[mwooldri]

39. Could be worse - people could elect me then .....

And of course there's a massive squadron of porcine aviators flying in from Atlantis right now....

Cruz won't be President. Schwarzenegger won't become eligible to run.

[gregcrawford]

23. As long as one parent is a US citizen...

... the offspring - or, in this case, hellspawn - is a US citizen. Funny how the dipshit birthers continually screeching about Obama's citizenship conveniently overlook that little fact.

[Bartlet]

29. Not quite...

Citizenship at birth is only guarantee by birth on US soil, that's guaranteed under the 14th amendment. Several other birth situations can grant citizenship at birth (birthright citizenship or natural born) but those are dictated by Federal statutes as outlined in section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 USC 1401) and those statues have changed numerous times. The relevant statute at the time of his birth did have stipulations, so you are mostly right but it depends on the technicalities of the the relevant statute at the time of his birth.

I think the only question here is did his mother file the required form FS-240 (Consular Report of Birth Abroad).

And yes you are very correct, the birthers seem to be conspicuously silent on the Cruz matter.

[Nay]

36. The birthers are indeed quiet, and Cruz has yet to prove that he is a natural born

citizen! What's odd is that it would be easy to contact the State Dept and get his citizenship confirmed, but he hasn't done it. Why not? It's simple. Very weird.

[liberal_at_heart]

38. The reason the birthers lost the debate about Obama is because he was born in the US, not

because one of his parents was a US citizen.

[treestar]

75. There were some who even argued that born in the US with one

noncitizen parent may make you a US citizen, but not a "natural born" one.

So they could have Cruz but for those making that argument, he's not natural born either, due to the foreign father.

[itsrobert]

24. Looks like Ted Cruz is a ANCHOR BABY

One parent from Cuba and another from the US.

[liberal N proud]

27. How will the birthers handle this?

[Zen Democrat]

37. I want to see his mother's birth certificate.

[Colorado Vince]

42. what i wanna see?

His mother's birth certificate! Every cotton-pickin' line of it! And if she spent FIVE MINUTES outside this country or Canada while incubating the Antichrist, let's make Taitz and Trump look like wimps!

[B Calm]

43. Oh no, but they will ignore that

[Paka]

44. Second good laugh this morning.

Thanks for the post.

[MosheFeingold]

46. McCain had this issue, too.

He was born in Panama. As did George Romney.

And, yes, one can trip over to Freeperland, and they ARE making a big deal about this.

The law, however, says if your mother is a citizen, you are a natural born citizen.

Alas (in this case).

[unc70]

51. The law does not say that.

The law currently says you are a citizen at birth (and with certain later actions), not a citizen by birth.

[treestar]

69. I looked all that up debating Freeper-types at the time

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, at that time a US territory. As long as one of his parents was a US citizen, so was here. I challenged the idiots as to why they were not hot to demand of McCain

1- his birth certificate and
2 - his mother or father's birth certificate.

Both such documents would be needed to prove McCain is a citizen. Strangely, they never needed to see those.

[MosheFeingold]

76. They already hated McCain

So, they were probably on other things.

I attempted to make a shlep through Freeperland to get a link to show them objecting, but got ill in the process, so I can't post the link. The stupidity was vast.

The law is very clear if you are a citizen at birth without any further action, you are a natural born citizen. This is how all the stupid birther cases got dismissed (as Obama's mom was American, regardless of the BS about being born in Kenya).

[treestar]

77. Managed to find this before getting ill

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3271146/posts

I wonder if that OP is a DU troll. Love this one:

So if Obama being born in Kenya supposedly matters, why does Cruz being born in Canada NOT matter?
Because Emperor Zero was twice elected as President. The libs got what they wanted: establishing that anyone whose mother is an American can legally be President.

Okay, now we go Alinsky on them, and use it against them.

[workinclasszero]

47. Where the hell are the birthers???

Damn republican/teabagger racist scum!

Cruz is WHITE so its all good eh, fuckin hypocrites!?

[tomm2thumbs]

52. his father's middle name translates into "WELCOME"

Isn't he basically saying 'WELCOME' to dangerous foreigners into the country by having a foreign-born father with a name that translates to WELCOME? He's born on foreign soil, in a foreign hospital, eating and drinking foreign food, taught in foreign schools, learning a foreign way of life, being secretly whispered to by foreign influences?

OMG -- I had a terrible thought. What if he's been planted here by a terrorist-cell!? A dangerous foreign anchor baby, trying to break into our White House to take over the country for another government?!! Born in Canada... to a Cuban father. HE's got us on both sides. OUR COUNTRY IS SURROUNDED!!!

MAN THE BATTLE STATIONS!!!!!




(We want our country back!!!!)

[joanbarnes]

56. Isn't that a Socialist place?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

68. Yeah,...but it's full of white people.....

Then again,....some are French.

[A Simple Game]

57. I knew it, I knew it. You let one furrinur be President and now all of them what a turn! n/t

[matt819]

58. I'd like to see one document

His so-called American mother should have registered him at the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa or the nearest U.S. Consulate - The document is called Report of Birth Abroad. It would pretty much solidify his American citizenship.

Also, what is a geophysical consultant, and has that been verified?

[sarge43]

59. According to the State Dept, Counsular Affairs //travel.state.gov

If an individual is born outside of the US or its possessions between 1952 and 1986 and one parent is a US citizen, that individual is a US citizen by birth if the parent resided in the US or possessions for a period of 10 years, five after age 14.

So, Mama Cruz's long form birth certificate and a detailed accounting of her whereabouts from date of birth until she popped out Tedders.

[treestar]

78. Amen!

And every one of those documents should be considered forgeries until proven otherwise!

[sarge43]

79. You betcha!

Let the games begin.

[KamaAina]

64. Beauty, eh?

[Stellar]

65. hmm...looks fake to me. n/t

[MADem]

67. Get out the PHOTOSHOP and start looking for pixels!

It was a town called CANADA....in Texas, I tell you!!! TEXAS!!!!!

[Stellar]

81. Touche`

LOL!

[MADem]

66. Gee, I never knew he was a Rafael...!! Why "Ted?" Why not "Raffie?"

Or Raf? Or Rafe? Surely Pops couldn't have taken all those nicks!

I should have thought he be afraid of being mistaken for a Democrat, using "Ted" as his nickname!

[Omaha Steve]

80. I thought I K&R'd this yesterday

Better late than never.

[greymattermom]

83. but if fetuses are people who can have attorneys

don't we need to know the location of conception, not the location of birth?