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Tue May 1, 2012, 03:20 PM

Jimmy Carter's failed Iran hostage rescue mission..


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http://www.donhopkins.com/drupal/node/104

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8 helicopters, 6 C-130 transport planes, and 93 Delta force commandoes secretly invaded Iran. They were to rendezvous at a place in Iran they called Desert One, move out to another point called Desert Two, and then go on to Tehran to rescue the hostages. But Delta force never made it to Desert Two or Tehran. The mission was aborted after three of the eight helicopters failed, on the way to Desert One. The operation was a miserable failure, resulting in an accident that caused the loss of 8 American lives. Later investigation revealed a surprising level of negligence.

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At least three central figures in the Iran-Contra Scandal were involved with the Iranian hostage rescue mission: Secord, Hakim, an North.

General Richard Secord helped to organize the abortive rescue mission. After the first mission failed, he was the head of the planning group that eventually decided against another rescue attempt. Because the whereabouts of the hostages were unknown, the second rescue attempt (the October Surprise that the Reagan-Bush campaign was so worried about) never happened.

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Oliver North led a secret detachment to eastern Turkey. He was in the mother ship on the Turkish border awaiting the cue from Secord to fly into Teheran and rescue the hostages. After the first aborted rescue mission, he worked with Secord on a second rescue plan.
According to the October Surprise theory, Secord, North and Hakim did not intend Desert One to carry through. The miserable failure of Carter's Desert One rescue attempt may have been deliberate.

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kentuck May 2012 OP
HiPointDem May 2012 #1
teddy51 May 2012 #2
malaise May 2012 #3
RobertEarl May 2012 #4
hlthe2b May 2012 #5
kristopher May 2012 #6
kristopher May 2012 #6
kristopher May 2012 #6
hlthe2b May 2012 #11
former9thward May 2012 #9
kentuck May 2012 #10
malaise May 2012 #12
qkvhj May 2012 #13
kentuck May 2012 #15
JI7 May 2012 #14

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 03:22 PM

1. I thought that was already acknowledged.

 

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 03:28 PM

2. "he miserable failure of Carter's Desert One rescue attempt may have been deliberate." Why

 

would they do that?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 03:28 PM

3. Sabotage

What was GHW's role?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 03:29 PM

4. Sabotage

By soon to be exposed criminals - Secord and North. Traitors to the country. Still makes me mad.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 03:31 PM

5. Thanks for posting this... I'd forgotten (perhaps never knew) the details...

I have a great deal of respect for Jimmy Carter. It pains me to see how badly he has been treated over the years.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 03:39 PM

6. This belongs in the conspiracy theory forum.

Anyone that has a decent understanding of what happened knows that the cause of the problems had nothing to do with sabotage. It was operating in hostile conditions by people not trained in those conditions who were using equipment not designed for operations in those conditions.

I dislike the GOP operatives mentioned as much as anyone but the theory in the OP is total bullshit.

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Response to kristopher (Reply #6)

Tue May 1, 2012, 04:02 PM

11. No.. the OP is simply a reminder of the events.. The article may suggest there were intentional acts

that you think a ridiculous premise and perhaps it is. However, we certainly know that Reagan et al DID ultimately negotiate for the hostages behind Carter's back and in that manner sabotaged Carter's efforts to free the hostages. So while the mission may not have been at issue in terms of sabotage, that does NOT negate the validity of the thread.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 03:50 PM

9. Not every failure is a conspiracy.

Sometimes shit happens.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #9)

Tue May 1, 2012, 03:51 PM

10. Sometimes.

True.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 04:04 PM

12. Here's my question

How come Carter was blamed for that failure but Obama cannot claim success.
I smell an attempted swiftboating from RW ex navy seals. This one will fail.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 05:03 PM

13. The NAVY choppers failed

 

The mission failed because the NAVY choppers were never intended to, or built to fly through sand storms at low altitude. Too many of them failed. There were not enough of them left to transport the troops needed to carry out the mission.
There may have been some rangers in turkey but most came out of BFE in southern Egypt.
I'm a retired Ranger and served with Delta at that time. Politics were not a factor for us. Politics were not involved in this mission. We really wanted to extract those American citizens. Military personnel do not follow politics, they follow orders.

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Response to qkvhj (Reply #13)

Tue May 1, 2012, 05:09 PM

15. That's encouraging.

That is the official version that I remember. I confess that I do not know the difference between Navy choppers and Army choppers. It's good to hear that the military personnel do not follow politics, even if they like to listen to Rush Limbaugh on Armed Forces Radio Network...

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 05:05 PM

14. i was 1 years old when this happened and even i know about it now

i have problems voting for candidates , especially for President who know less than i do. especially if they have lived much longer and have a "better"education than i do.

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