Oh my---heads explode at DU as the email story begins to fall apart.

[trumad]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by one_voice (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Hey I know what we can do---let's employ Republican tactics and talk about other things Hillary has done that errr have nothing to do with the original non-scandal.

How fucking Republican!

[stevenleser]

1. I think when the actual state department employee who posts here explained it, it became obvious

that the accusations were B.S. I have no idea why folks continued to push it after that.

Wait, scratch that, I do know why they pushed it. But folks who did should still be regarded as non-credible.

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. Or, if someone had posted ...

most indelicately ... a name-check of those repeating the claim and a 90 day subject matter review. I'll beat the obvious would jump off the screen.

[Wellstone ruled]

2. Amazing how the United States State Department is still

running around with 1970 technology. Wonder if they still use Cobalt?

[stevenleser]

3. LMAO, COBOL, COmmon Business Oriented Language.

What you said was hilarious! I love it. Not laughing at you, laughing at the unintended comedy!!!

[Wellstone ruled]

23. OOps!!!

Ancient Tech,forgot the spelling. One step above Soup cans and store string.

[Leith]

33. Hey!

Programming in COBOL taught me how to type. I could never get the hang of it before I had to use that verbose language.

[TheBlackAdder]

26. CoBOL and HLASM performs faster and is 1/3 the cost to support and debug.

Laugh all you want that it is not Java-based, though newer versions interact with Java.

If you work in a multi-national firm that has thousands of servers, while folks can develop code as quickly using RAD-type tools, when there is a problem, you'll have a team of people trying to figure out issues with complex two-phase commit transactions--especially if they are crossing machines and platforms.

Let's not bring in the cost of ownership with having server farms when it comes to disaster recovery planning and the extended downtime during recovery, the lack of adequate performance monitoring, security, auditing, and dianostics... but hey... it's the future, so it must be better.


oh, product development... 1/4th the implementation time to deliver.

Let's not forget that 2nd world countries are only teaching Java now, so they can offshore US data centers.

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Oh, but we can take the code that costs hundreds of millions of dollars to develop and rewrite it in Java, having systems as stable as Healthcare.gov... just so we can be fashionable. The system's work, they are rock solid and have been performance tuned, running on systems that can workload balance them at a transactional level... but let's rewrite them just for shits and giggles. Let's spend billions toing this... just to be fashionable.

[riqster]

49. Testify! COBOL and big iron still have a place.

I use vintage and new tech, whichever works better for the purpose at hand.

[tridim]

9. I prefer FORSKIN

jk

[madinmaryland]

25. Hey! It is Cobol and they are probably running an older version of Fortran!!

[calimary]

39. Could it be, maybe, that cutting back on the government, and then cutting back some more

on the government, could be at least partly to blame? If we're trying to shrink government down so small we can drown it in a bathtub, then maybe we need to stop doing that so relentlessly? It costs money to get new computers and up-to-date equipment, AND to STAY up-to-date with all the technology that seems to update itself every minute on the minute...

That does take funding. It takes funding for equipment and funding to hire people to do this, run this, install this, troubleshoot this, and patrol this - helping the State Dept people learn it and work with it without fucking up too much, and keep it updated - AS WELL AS the increasingly critical monitoring of it for security purposes and protect it from hackers.

That takes money.

[riqster]

50. +1!

Nothing is free.

[Romeo.lima333]

4. the du helpers are already at it -

The Daily Beast has apparently published a report that substantially undermines the NYT story on Hillary Clinton's email habits while at State. Fair enough, we'll let that play out.

Fact:

Because she didn't abuse the email rules doesn't mean she didn't vote for the Patriot Act (like a Republican);

Didn't vote for the Iraq War (like a Republican);

Didn't push the Keystone XL pipeline (like a Republican);

And isn't in bed with Goldman Sachs and their criminal friends.

Like a Republican.

This is what passes for a Democrat these days.

from an earlier post

[1StrongBlackMan]

11. while neglecting ...

all of her UN-republican like votes ... votes most of interest to, and in line with, the non-activist Democratic base.

Wait ... I'm not support to distinguish between the "activist base" and the Democratic Base. Sorry.

[FSogol]

5. I agree, but the panic by some neophyte HRC supporters was funny too. n/t

[wyldwolf]

32. What you call 'panic' the real world calls...

Presenting facts.

[FSogol]

37. No some people presented facts, but some people tried to deflect by blaming

Jeb Bush, the NYT, and Fox News. If fact, didn't I ask why you were panicking?

At any rate, glad you are feeling better.

[wyldwolf]

40. No one blamed Jeb Bush. See, responses to right wing memes have many facets.

I realize 'progressives' have trouble with strategy, but here's how it works.

1. Expose the people pointing fingers who've done the same thing as hypocrites. CHECK!
2. Examine the source for factual inaccuracies and omissions. CHECK!
3. Point to the other sources pushing the story and their motives. CHECK
4. Make the case there was no wrongdoing, CHECK and DONE.

[FSogol]

42. This isn't your Jeb post from this morning?

I had forgotten you had one on Walker too.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026304079

No idea what your point is in the rest of your mess, but you seem to think highly of losing your mind. At the same time you were in super-defensive mode, level headed people were saying the things you figured out 12 hours later. Like a rabid skunk, you don't know what to attack first. By all means, pat your self on the back.

[wyldwolf]

47. Point #1 above: Expose the people pointing fingers who've done the same thing as hypocrites.

See, the idea of strategy is so alien to you that you glossed right over that point.

[Mike Nelson]

7. Get ready for an endless glut of "Bad Hillary!" stories from...

...all sides.

[Phentex]

8. and while we're at it...

is there any way to blame Obama for this?



FYI

[brooklynite]

10. Psssst...I understand there's this place called BENGHAZI where she's REALLY vulnerable...

[1StrongBlackMan]

13. LOL ...

I know, huh ... kind of transparent. Isn't it?

[hrmjustin]

12. It is so amusing.

[nichomachus]

14. Fall apart how?

She sent state department emails on unsecure servers
She commingled personal and government emails
She's letting her staff decide what the government deserves to see

Sounds pretty irresponsible to me

Doesn't sound like a leader

I've been working with email for decades. I have never mixed personal and business on the same account. If you do, you end up with a mess like this. Not to mention that it exposes sensitive messages to hackers.

The Hillary supporters who are twisting themselves into knots trying to figure out how to extract her from this sound more like Republicans when they were defending every misstep of the Bush administration.

[louis-t]

16. ...who also used personal email accounts for business and

deleted millions of emails that should have been archived.. Did I finish your sentence ok?

[m-lekktor]

15. nope i would say it is the Hillary supporters who are having a non stop major meltdown

completely freaking out all over the place because of the criticism , starting thread after thread after thread...nope the dectractors seem pretty calm in comparison.

you have it backwards.

[trumad]

18. Im not exactly a Hillary supporter...

I just hate Republican tactics.

[KittyWampus]

30. the "meltdown" was Warren supporters not being able to handle some mild commentary from Dean

[Cha]

54. I'm not a Hillary supporter at this point in time.. but, I don't like the pitchfork mode derived

from sloppy reporting by the NYT and breitbart, etc.

[uponit7771]

17. THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT HILLARY DID; BELIEVE A NON CREDIBLE SOURCE ABOUT SOMEONE ...

... they didn't like

[Orsino]

20. Oooo. Score! n/t

[H2O Man]

21. There have been

a few rational, objective OP/posts about the new "crisis." (My OP is an outstanding example.) It is generally better to wait until you know what you are talking about, before taking any position on such things. Even if the NY Times reports on a "breaking" news story like this, one should take the time required to access it, based upon more than a handful of initial reports.

But, the quiet voice of reason is usually drown out on DU:GD these days. Those who strongly support and/or oppose Hillary Clinton make their views known, on sometimes mildly entertaining threads. But there is plenty of loud, aggressive nonsense, too.

(By the way, all reports indicate that Floyd's camp is solid, and the Champ is really dedicated to making a statement on May 2. I recommend that you drive north for the weekend.)

[trumad]

22. Two things are inevitable my friend...

Floyd kicking Manny's ass and Hillary kicking Repub ass.

[Number23]

24. Some of these folks are so full of shit, I'd really hate to be around when those heads explode

[PedXing]

27. Only the empty heads. I'm not ready for Hillary but I know she isn't stupid.

[ColesCountyDem]

28. She's not my preferred candidate, but these cheap attacks on her are ridiculous!

I'm growing VERY annoyed at certain very vocal members of the "Anyone But Hillary" brigade.

[Maedhros]

29. I just checked, and my head didn't explode.

I also checked my voter registration card, and it doesn't say "Republican."

[Android3.14]

31. My head's intact

Hadn't noticed the story falling apart. I did notice the cognitive dissonance, though.

[Rex]

34. LOL!

My emails won't go through....argggghhh!!!!! Shitty Hotmail!!!!!

[cstanleytech]

35. Meh, at the end of the day though for me I will vote for her over just about any single Republican.

[Warpy]

36. I think she was pretty savvy if she did use a non secure, mass email account

because we know the NSA has been monitoring Congress and presumably all other parts of government, also. Using a mass market account would accomplish one thing: hiding a needle in a haystack. The NSA would pay attention to the "important, official" accounts. A private account would get lost in the general noise.

[msanthrope]

38. They should have waited 24 business hours. nt

[DeSwiss]

41. I suppose......

...a 3rd-wayer would see things like that. I knew she had no principles so no exploding head here.

I'm not surprised in the least.

- This is what it comes to when you reach the bottom of the barrel.




Baaaaa........

[trumad]

48. yawn

[PeaceNikki]

43. BENGHAZI!!!

[Nye Bevan]

45. VINCE FOSTER! DON'T EVER FORGET!

[mmonk]

44. I'm not a Hillary supporter but thought it all the usual noise from the media machine.

I'm rather drawn to the historically horrid actions of the Congress today undermining US foreign policy.

[Nye Bevan]

46. Lots of similarities between certain DU posts and Breitbart today (nt)

[spanone]

51. the media is doing it's job...gin it up boys

[Logical]

52. Point to ONE POST where heads were exploding!!! nt

[one_voice]

55. Locking. META is not allowed in GD...

consensus is this is meta.