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BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:56 PM Feb 2015

Russian Newspaper publishes Kremlin strategy paper on plans to annex the Ukraine

Drawn up before the fall of the government in Kiev.

First the link to the original publication in Russian: http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/67389.html

Translation of the article and document as published on a Ukranian website:

"Novaya Gazeta" is publishing Russia’s plan for the annexation of a number of territories of Ukraine, which were drawn up when Yanukovych was still president of this country.

The document that has come into the possession of Novaya was presumably “brought in” to the Presidential Administration in the period between February 4 and February 12, 2014.


Now excerpts from the document:

2. Russia’s policy toward Ukraine must finally become pragmatic.

First, the regime of Viktor Yanukovych has gone totally bankrupt. Its political, diplomatic, financial, and information support from the Russian Federation is no longer meaningful.

Second, as a sporadic civil war in the form of urban guerrilla of the so-called “supporters of the Maidan” against the leadership of a number of the country’s eastern regions has become a fact, while the disintegration of the Ukrainian state along the line of geographical demarcation of regional alliances - “western regions plus Kyiv” and “eastern regions plus Crimea” - has become part of the political agenda, [and] in these circumstances, Russia should in no way limit its policy toward Ukraine only to attempts to influence the political situation in Kyiv and the relationship of a systemic opposition (A. Yatsenyuk, V. Klitschko, O. Tyagnybok, P . Poroshenko, etc.) with the European Commission.

Third, in an almost complete paralysis of the central government, unable to form a responsible government even facing threats of default and of Naftogaz lacking funds to pay for Russian gas, Russia is simply obliged to get involved in the geopolitical intrigue of the European Community directed against the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

First of all, this is because otherwise our country risks losing not only the Ukrainian energy market, but also indirect control over Ukraine’s gas transportation system, which is much more dangerous. This will endanger the position of Gazprom in Central and Southern Europe, causing huge damage to our country’s economy.

3. The Constitution of Ukraine is in no case able to provide for a mechanism that could legitimately initiate the integration of Ukraine’s eastern territories and Crimea into the state-legal framework of the Russian Federation.

. . .
Current events in Kyiv convincingly show that the Yanukovych’s time in power could end at any moment. Thus, there is less and less time for an appropriate Russian response. The number of dead in riots in the capital of Ukraine is direct evidence of the inevitability of civil war and the impossibility of reaching consensus if Yanukovych remains president. In these circumstances, it seems appropriate to play along the centrifugal aspirations of the various regions of the country, with a view to initiate the accession of its eastern regions to Russia, in one form or another. Crimea and Kharkiv region should become the dominant regions for making such efforts, as there already exist reasonably large groups there that support the idea of maximum integration with Russia.

4. Of course, taking the burden of supporting Crimea and several eastern territories, Russia will be forced to take on budget expenses, which would be cumbersome in the country’s present position.

Undoubtedly, this will affect macroeconomic stability and the prospects for [Russia’s] economic growth. However, geopolitically, the prize will be invaluable: our country will gain access to new demographic resources, [and] highly qualified industry and transport personnel will be at its disposal. In addition, it can count on the emergence of new eastward Slavic migration flows - as opposed to the Central Asian migration trends. The industrial potential of the Eastern Ukraine, including the military-industrial sector, once included in the Russian military-industrial complex, will allow for the faster and more successful implementation of the program of rearmament of Russia’s military forces.

What is equally important, Russia’s constructive, “smoothing” participation in the highly probable disintegration of the Ukrainian state will not only give new impetus to the Kremlin’s integration project, but will also allow our country to retain control over Ukraine’s gas transportation system, as mentioned above. And at the same time, it will allow there to be significant changes in the geopolitical situation in Central and Eastern Europe, allowing Russia to regain its major role there.

5. To start the process of a “pro-Russian drift” of Crimea and eastern Ukrainian territories, [certain] events should be created beforehand that can support this process with political legitimacy and moral justification; also a PR-strategy should be built that draws attention to the forced, reactive nature of the actions of Russia and the pro-Russian political elites of southern and eastern Ukraine.



Read more on UNIAN: http://www.unian.info/politics/1048525-novaya-gazetas-kremlin-papers-article-full-text-in-english.html

The document lays out the strategy for annexation of Crimea and parts of the Eastern Ukraine, as well as Russia's clear economic and geopolitical motives--"the prize"--for doing so.
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Russian Newspaper publishes Kremlin strategy paper on plans to annex the Ukraine (Original Post) BainsBane Feb 2015 OP
Not suprised! Putin is power hungry and willing to steal territory to make himself happy. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #1
Cue the Putinistas in 5..4..3..2..1.. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #2
Actually, no. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #67
Deafening and telling BainsBane Mar 2015 #71
Damn.....damn. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #3
Blue Tires posted about this a few days ago BainsBane Feb 2015 #4
It does explain why Russia was so happy to give Yanukovych a place to live. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #5
Hmm, no mention of John McCain. R B Garr Feb 2015 #6
The Kremlin lays out talking points we have heard here BainsBane Feb 2015 #7
Sometimes the Putin Explainers fail to even hide it uhnope Feb 2015 #19
It even specifies the neo-nazi talking point BainsBane Feb 2015 #23
We are a federation. Nothing wrong with a federation. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #26
Some here have been talking in honest about this strategy.... NCTraveler Feb 2015 #8
"Meanwhile, people suffer." BainsBane Feb 2015 #12
Sure a lot of silence from a certain corner. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #9
Yes BainsBane Feb 2015 #10
Sometimes I wonder if they are waiting for a TPM or if uhnope Feb 2015 #27
Truthfully BainsBane Feb 2015 #28
When can we expect RT to report on this? William769 Feb 2015 #11
Right after Fox reports on the improving economy under Obama KamaAina Feb 2015 #21
The silence is deafening. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2015 #25
I plan to continue discussing it BainsBane Feb 2015 #34
Good. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2015 #35
Great! This thread alone has cut through R B Garr Feb 2015 #60
But, but... it was only a "contigency". OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #13
A contingency that just happened to unfold precisely as planned BainsBane Feb 2015 #14
Shades of the Downing Street Memo. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #15
Hooray for whistleblowers and leakers!!! grasswire Feb 2015 #16
And the boot lickers' talking points go up in smoke. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #17
Those very talking points are outlined in the document BainsBane Feb 2015 #18
Putin creates an official holiday to celebrate the role of special forces in Crimea. pampango Feb 2015 #20
Interesting how it all starts to fit together BainsBane Feb 2015 #22
Phantom troops. Only Russia could be so confused. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #30
Not really BainsBane Feb 2015 #31
I should have used a sarcasm label. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #32
Leader of opposition murdered in cold blood today. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #24
I saw that BainsBane Feb 2015 #29
Bookmarked! Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #33
A new one is at it BainsBane Feb 2015 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #37
"Pro US/EU/Monsanto administration!" LOL FSogol Feb 2015 #38
The first link goes to the original in Russian BainsBane Feb 2015 #39
Not only did you not read the first sentence of the OP BainsBane Feb 2015 #40
Socks get confused sometimes. It comes from all that tumbling around in dryers. FSogol Feb 2015 #41
!!!!! zappaman Feb 2015 #42
Well, in his defense BainsBane Feb 2015 #43
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #45
... NuclearDem Feb 2015 #46
Damn you beat me to it! zappaman Feb 2015 #47
Referring to Democrats... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #49
And we already know Obama's plan to annex the Ukraine nichomachus Feb 2015 #44
Not much with budgets are you? BainsBane Feb 2015 #48
Poster's not much with anything. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #63
facts do not matter to Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #65
I realize now you meant the aid package BainsBane Feb 2015 #50
over 20 + years Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #51
One thing has become clear BainsBane Mar 2015 #64
Very true statement nt Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #66
exactly. Ukraine belongs to 'murika! m-lekktor Feb 2015 #55
Russian tanks and guns BainsBane Feb 2015 #57
You forgot cookies, "fuck the EU", and a picture of John McCain. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #56
kick BainsBane Feb 2015 #52
extra kick MBS Feb 2015 #53
Kick the third. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #54
Oh alright. zappaman Feb 2015 #58
They are avoiding this like the plague BainsBane Feb 2015 #59
I noticed that, too. R B Garr Mar 2015 #69
One positive result BainsBane Mar 2015 #70
KICK Cha Mar 2015 #61
John McCain eating $5 billlion cookies with Nazis argle bargle! Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #62
K&R nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #68
kick BainsBane Mar 2015 #72

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,164 posts)
67. Actually, no.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:16 AM
Mar 2015

We had one MIRTed fellow come by and a couple of quick one liners, but the silence for the most part has been deafening.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
4. Blue Tires posted about this a few days ago
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:12 PM
Feb 2015

an article that discussed an interview with the editor of the newspaper saying he would publish the document. Now he has. This shows the apologists for war on Ukraine have been completely wrong, just as we have been telling them.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
6. Hmm, no mention of John McCain.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:16 PM
Feb 2015

That was sarcasm about McCain after all the conspiracy theories put forth here.

Bookmarked for later -- great read. Thanks for posting, BainsBane.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
7. The Kremlin lays out talking points we have heard here
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:28 PM
Feb 2015
Speaking under Russian flags, protesters should not insist on changing the constitutional order. They should impute strong condemnation of “Western separatists, jeopardizing the country’s territorial integrity at the will of their foreign masters,” as well as the demands for the swift development of “associative relations between the eastern regions of Ukraine and the Russian Federation”: “We are with Russia. No to civil war.”

Fair reluctance “to support with taxes the pro-fascist forces” from Western Ukraine and a government dependent on them, and guided by the requirements of the European Union rather than the needs of its citizens – these should become slogans for the moment.
It is advisable to consistently voice these three slogans, which stem from one another:

- A demand for “federalization” (or confederation) as a guarantee for these regions against the pro-Western and nationalist forces interfering in their internal affairs;

- The eastern and south-eastern areas joining the Customs Union at the regional level independently from Kyiv, which will provide for the necessary conditions for their industry’s normal operation and development;

- Direct sovereignty, followed by accession to Russia - the only guarantor of sustainable economic development and social stability.


Read more on UNIAN: http://www.unian.info/politics/1048525-novaya-gazetas-kremlin-papers-article-full-text-in-english.html
 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
19. Sometimes the Putin Explainers fail to even hide it
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:57 PM
Feb 2015

Examples

I am really wondering why they are against federalization?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1008312

"a peaceful solution that allows for federalization of Ukraine. Only then will there be peace." http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017243072

Surprise, surprise, John Pilger uses the term too http://www.democraticunderground.com/101690926



BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
23. It even specifies the neo-nazi talking point
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:38 PM
Feb 2015

which we have been told repeatedly justifies killing Ukrainians.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
26. We are a federation. Nothing wrong with a federation.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:44 PM
Feb 2015

It's the swallowing up of one part of a federation by Russia that is the problem.

Remember! We have a "federal" government. And it works well.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. Some here have been talking in honest about this strategy....
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:34 PM
Feb 2015

before ever seeing this. Thank you for bringing it here. There has been a lot of propaganda and assumptions being made from all sides, yet the facts that are know are understood by most and go against any ability of a liberal to support Putins game. It is only a small group of posters completely ignoring what is going on and they continue to tow the Putin line. He has them hook line and sinker. Meanwhile, people suffer.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
27. Sometimes I wonder if they are waiting for a TPM or if
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:55 PM
Feb 2015

there's a cash-flow problem at the Kremlin

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
28. Truthfully
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:58 PM
Feb 2015

I think there are people who will simply ignore any information that doesn't confirm their preexisting views. They are wedded to a certain worldview that to them is more important than the truth. I expect they will carry on posting their crap as though this never existed and might find some ways to attack the newspaper or Ukrainian news outlet. None of the discussion will be substantive.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
60. Great! This thread alone has cut through
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 09:54 PM
Feb 2015

what looked like weeks/days of really ridiculous propaganda and unbelievable conspiracy theories. It's nice to see the misinformation brigade being challenged by real facts.

This information and the recent murder near the Kremlin of the opposition leader should be enough to wake people up to the political realities of Russia's war on Ukraine.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
14. A contingency that just happened to unfold precisely as planned
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:17 PM
Feb 2015

Complete with the talking points we've heard around here for months now.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
18. Those very talking points are outlined in the document
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:29 PM
Feb 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6288850

They fell right in line.

Do you think any will actually start to rethink their position and why they were so eager to accept whatever the Kremlin told them?

pampango

(24,692 posts)
20. Putin creates an official holiday to celebrate the role of special forces in Crimea.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:04 PM
Feb 2015
Putin Creates Official Holiday on Anniversary of Crimea Annexation

February 27 will from now on be marked in Russia as Special Operations Forces Day, according to a decree signed Thursday by President Vladimir Putin and published on the official legislative website. The Special Operations Forces, a branch of Russian defense apparatus operating both inside the country and abroad, was formed in March 2013. The Chief of the General Staff said at the time of its creation that the new branch was inspired by the experience of "the world's leading nations," Russian media reported.

Answering its own question of why Feb. 27 was chosen as the day, an article in government newspaper Rossiiskaya Gazeta said: "Remember what happened and where a year ago. And how it all ended."

One year ago, mysterious troops bearing no insignia appeared in Crimea, which was shortly afterward annexed from Ukraine by Russia. The troops, who said little and declined to reveal their identity but ensured order during the annexation and subsequent referendum on joining Russia, quickly became known as "little green men" in the international media and "polite people" in Russia.

Putin initially denied that Russian troops had been dispatched to Crimea, but later admitted it.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putin-establishes-new-polite-people-day-in-russia-/516675.html

Russia honors those who it said were not there at the time, but made the annexation of Crimea possible.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
30. Phantom troops. Only Russia could be so confused.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:06 PM
Feb 2015

Too much vodka no doubt.

Not much finesse. Pretty clumsy and awkward. Oh, dear.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
31. Not really
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:15 PM
Feb 2015

The pretense that it was anything other than an invasion was for outside consumption. Besides, he knows his supporters don't care. Shit, a key opposition leader was just gunned down in front of the Kremlin, and someone comes along and sites RT saying how heart broken Putin is about it.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
29. I saw that
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:00 PM
Feb 2015

Challenging Putin is perilous.

He was on his way to a peace march protesting Russian war in the Ukraine. How sad.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
36. A new one is at it
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:11 PM
Feb 2015

This has to be kept at the top of GD. We cannot allow them to continue to spread propaganda exposed as lies, not without being called out on it.

Response to BainsBane (Original post)

FSogol

(45,470 posts)
38. "Pro US/EU/Monsanto administration!" LOL
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:34 PM
Feb 2015

You guys made more sense when you used terms like "running dog capitalist".

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
39. The first link goes to the original in Russian
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:35 PM
Feb 2015

That is why I begin with the link to Novaya Gazeta. Meanwhile, you provide no sources for your OP and repeat the very talking points that the Kremlin outlined in its strategy paper before the fall in Kiev over a year ago.

You've been exposed.

Response to FSogol (Reply #41)

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
49. Referring to Democrats...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:44 PM
Feb 2015

...as "the democrats" kind of betrays your political stance as anything but; and most likely Republican.

If you're a Democrat, don't give up so easily. If you're a Republican...feel free to hit the road.

For the record, you've had more than one post alerted and judged by a jury. Not everyone is against you.

On Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

pampango--Your source is questionable at best
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6290481

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The Putin troll back. Repeat disruptor.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:43 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter presumes something (a returning troll) I don't see in the post. I'm not familiar with the poster's history, but if he/she is a troll it will become evident soon enough. For now, I vote for benefit of the doubt.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Explanation: This poster is part of Putin's troll army. He needs to be removed from this website.
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Explanation: To the alerter: You believe everyone is a "Putin troll." If you have information proving that this is a repeat disruptor, you should probably alert MIRT. Or, you could just join MIRT and nuke everyone that doesn't agree with you...

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

TYY

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
48. Not much with budgets are you?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:13 PM
Feb 2015

if you think $5 billion pays for a country. And nothing approaching evidence. Just the very propaganda in the Kremlin talking points.

Thank God Putin's there to liberate the Ukrainians from Western economic influence by putting them six feet under.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
50. I realize now you meant the aid package
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 09:45 AM
Feb 2015

are you seriously going to claim there is no difference between economic aid and rolling tanks into a country?

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
57. Russian tanks and guns
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 04:38 PM
Feb 2015

would suggest otherwise. Putin did just declare a national holiday to honor the Russian soldiers who took Crimea. He knows what's going on, even if you refuse to.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
56. You forgot cookies, "fuck the EU", and a picture of John McCain.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 02:16 PM
Feb 2015

As long as we're completely Complete Irrelevance Bingo.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
59. They are avoiding this like the plague
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 07:51 PM
Feb 2015

So I would ask you all to paste the info from the OP (no need to link to this thread) in their threads, so they can't run away from the information.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
69. I noticed that, too.
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 12:34 AM
Mar 2015

Those conspiracy theories were obviously not credible, and now we're seeing why.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
70. One positive result
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 12:48 AM
Mar 2015

is they have decreased the propaganda proliferation. That may itself be an acknowledgment of error, even if they are not strong enough to admit they were wrong.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,164 posts)
62. John McCain eating $5 billlion cookies with Nazis argle bargle!
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 08:28 AM
Mar 2015

Victoria Nuland CIA IMF Monsanto GMO Benedict Cumberbatch!

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