Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:32 PM
spanone (72,273 posts)
Ex-CIA counterterror chief says Pelosi ‘reinventing the truth’ about waterboarding...jose rodriguez
In an explosive memoir released today, former CIA counterterrorism chief Jose Rodriguez provides new evidence that Rep. Nancy Pelosi lied when she declared she had not been briefed about the use of waterboarding.
Recall that in a Capitol Hill news conference three years ago, Pelosi (D-Calif.) vehemently denied being told about the use of waterboarding at a CIA briefing in September 2002. “We were not — I repeat — were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used,” Pelosi said. She later changed her story, telling reporters, “We were told explicitly that waterboarding was not being used.” She claimed she learned about the use of waterboarding the following year, only after other lawmakers were told by the CIA. “I wasn’t briefed, I was informed that somebody else had been briefed about it,” she said. If Rodriguez is right, each of these statements is false. But other than a chart released by the CIA noting that Pelosi, then the ranking member of the House intelligence committee, and Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.), then chairman of the committee, had been given a “description of the particular that had been employed,” there was little public evidence to contradict Pelosi’s claims. So she got away with it — until today. In his new book, “Hard Measures,” Rodriguez reveals that he led a CIA briefing of Pelosi, where the techniques being used in the interrogation of senior al-Qaeda facilitator Abu Zubaida were described in detail. Her claim that she was not told about waterboarding at that briefing, he writes, “is untrue.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ex-cia-counterterror-chief-pelosi-lied-about-waterboarding/2012/04/30/gIQAQFGtrT_print.html
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| spanone | Apr 2012 | OP | |
| The Magistrate | Apr 2012 | #1 | |
| Egalitarian Thug | Apr 2012 | #3 | |
| The Magistrate | Apr 2012 | #4 | |
| Egalitarian Thug | Apr 2012 | #6 | |
| The Magistrate | Apr 2012 | #7 | |
| Egalitarian Thug | Apr 2012 | #15 | |
| spanone | Apr 2012 | #11 | |
| mitchtv | Apr 2012 | #2 | |
| tabatha | Apr 2012 | #5 | |
| LASlibinSC | Apr 2012 | #8 | |
| rocktivity | Apr 2012 | #9 | |
| Bolo Boffin | Apr 2012 | #10 | |
| spanone | Apr 2012 | #12 | |
| Bolo Boffin | Apr 2012 | #13 | |
| Motown_Johnny | Apr 2012 | #14 | |
| countryjake | Apr 2012 | #16 |
Response to spanone (Original post)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:36 PM
The Magistrate (80,938 posts)
1. No Reason To Assume This Criminal Sadist Is Telling The Truth, Sir
Response to The Magistrate (Reply #1)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:43 PM
Egalitarian Thug (7,898 posts)
3. These conflicting statements were documented at that time.
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Last edited Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:44 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) As was the fact that Senator Clinton was on the Senate Intelligence Committee, and on and on and on. We have to remember what these people have done, all of it, before we form expectations of what they're going to do once we give them power.
The 21st century has been a thoroughly bi-partisan crime so far. |
Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #3)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:46 PM
The Magistrate (80,938 posts)
4. A Man Has To Choose A Side, Sir
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And then stick to it.
If I have to choose between this apparatchik and Speaker Pelosi on a question of truthful statement, I stand by her. |
Response to The Magistrate (Reply #4)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 04:01 PM
Egalitarian Thug (7,898 posts)
6. Yet the facts remain. This is the source of my/our dilemma,
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Last edited Mon Apr 30, 2012, 04:02 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Pelosi and Feinstein are both prime examples that should dispel the fallacy that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". To blindly follow a feckless leader into battle just gets you killed.
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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #6)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 04:12 PM
The Magistrate (80,938 posts)
7. You Let Me Worry About Me, Sir: You Worry About Yourself....
Response to The Magistrate (Reply #7)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 06:15 PM
Egalitarian Thug (7,898 posts)
15. I wasn't speaking of you specifically. I merely included you in the group of
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"us" that would like to make things better with an eye toward re-balancing society. You are free to do as you please, of course.
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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #1)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 05:29 PM
spanone (72,273 posts)
11. i watched his interview on cbs last night. i have no reason to believe this is the truth at all.
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he doesn't like Obama and i'm sure he doesn't like ms. Pelosi
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Response to spanone (Original post)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:42 PM
mitchtv (17,399 posts)
2. that guy is a war criminal`
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Last edited Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:46 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) and apparently a liar. I saw him on 60min last night. He was mouthing cheney's line. according to him the CIA is telling the truth and the FBI is lying. yeah right!
Although he did not mention it, when I heard about him being a chief of the Latin American bureau, I smelled murder, torture, and the School of the Americas. |
Response to spanone (Original post)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:51 PM
tabatha (18,795 posts)
5. Jose Rodriguez came across as a shyster on 60 mins.
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I was with my neighbor when the program was on, and she, too had a very negative reaction.
I know that this is just emotional - but his body language was fake, especially when he said BS. |
Response to spanone (Original post)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 04:57 PM
LASlibinSC (269 posts)
8. He's selling a book..
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on torture! The more high profile names he can tie to his war crimes the more books he sells. If he could he'd tie this shit to Justin Bieber! Pppfffttt
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Response to spanone (Original post)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 04:58 PM
rocktivity (36,684 posts)
9. The nerve of her
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Last edited Mon Apr 30, 2012, 07:50 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) after all work they did inventing the truth about waterboarding to begin with!
Besides, Pelosi was being blackmailed: If she'd revealed what she'd been told, they were going to charge her with revealing classified information. rocktivity |
Response to spanone (Original post)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 05:18 PM
Bolo Boffin (22,568 posts)
10. Jesus Christ, that's an op/ed by Marc "Torture Apologist" Theissen!
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Last edited Mon Apr 30, 2012, 05:26 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) What the hell are you dragging this trash back to DU for?
ETA: At least give us a little warning in the OP that it's that fruit loop Theissen we're also dealing with. Sorry, that just shook me up a bit. |
Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #10)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 05:30 PM
spanone (72,273 posts)
12. this is what passes for discourse at the washington post.
Response to spanone (Reply #12)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 05:36 PM
Bolo Boffin (22,568 posts)
13. Yeah, Rodriguez and Theissen should keep their bloodthirstiness out of sight.
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Instead, WaPo gives them premium op/ed space. Ick.
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Response to spanone (Original post)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 05:51 PM
Motown_Johnny (15,520 posts)
14. Pelosi should have called for impeachment,
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it doesn't really matter what the specifics of this one meeting are. She didn't do her job and there is no getting around it.
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Response to spanone (Original post)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 06:28 PM
countryjake (4,795 posts)
16. Whatever this piece is saying about Rep. Pelosi...
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please, try not to forget that the author here is the very same man whose job it was to put words into the mouths of both Shrub and Rummy. In other words, he is a creator of those past "forked-tongue" speeches and adept at spreading messages meant to deflect, deceive, and destroy our democratic processes.
I had to switch off the Sixty Minutes program last evening, due to Rodriguez's sheer glibness in promoting his wares and it disgusts me to read this trash from Marc Thiessen, too, or anything else that purports to justify their excuses which support and ultimately defend, the use of torture by our government. |

