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WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 02:28 PM Apr 2012

This joke isn't funny anymore!

When the President/Democrats say, "These were good ideas when they were your ideas, but suddenly they're not any longer (big smile), ha ha ha..."

Not funny.

This is how the country continues to get pulled further and further to the right. We wind up espousing their ideas. They then have to come up with more ludicrous (hyperbole) ideas, e.g., their war on women, to make their bad ideas of years past look reasonable when Dems sign off on them.

It's their game. They are winning because Dems are afraid to look center left, whatever that means today, because as far as I can tell, Republican ideas are erroneously being termed "the center" rather than "right of center." The right is mere hyperbole, there to pull the country further to the right. And it works!

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This joke isn't funny anymore! (Original Post) WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2012 OP
Yep, one of the greatest tragedies of the past four years woo me with science Apr 2012 #1
+1 Vincardog Apr 2012 #2
They were never edhopper Apr 2012 #3
Exactly!!! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2012 #8
Don't worry, just have Obama say that the Republicans have a good idea and... Kalidurga Apr 2012 #4
They're crazy like a fox... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2012 #7
I've long said, that in the current political environment DJ13 Apr 2012 #5
I think the problem is that they were bad ideas when the Democrats Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #6
Look at it as an army conquering territory and holding it. To hold that territory, we have to alfredo Apr 2012 #9
Wait? The republicans have ideas? jillan Apr 2012 #10
Yep, here's how George W. Bush described them hfojvt Apr 2012 #12
don't you mean BAD ideas instead of good? hfojvt Apr 2012 #11

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
1. Yep, one of the greatest tragedies of the past four years
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 02:37 PM
Apr 2012

has been the utter corruption of the Democratic message.

What used to be considered right-wing positions - austerity budgets, supply-side tax policies, free trade agreements, the police/surveillance state, defense of pre-emptive war as administration doctrine - have all been embraced by corporate Democrats and made bipartisan.

Our message has been poisoned. It's way past time to demand our party back.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
4. Don't worry, just have Obama say that the Republicans have a good idea and...
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 02:53 PM
Apr 2012

then the Republicans will all the sudden think it is the worst idea in the world. They will even use it as a campaign issue. Rmoney is campaigning against his own health care plan, that is how crazy they are. I am sure we could come up with examples of this insanity all day.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
7. They're crazy like a fox...
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:09 PM
Apr 2012

They're stuck with Romney, in fact, Rs will vote for him despite his flip-flopping. That's all beside the point.

The bigger picture is that Dems play their game and the end result is the country gets pulled further and further to the right. Even our beloved pundits on MSNBC and progressive radio play their game: OMG! Did you hear what they said about women, today!!! (5 minutes later) President Obama is now in favor of cap-and-trade, a Republican idea!, but NOW they're against it because Obama is for it!!! Can you believe these guys?!?!?!!

Wait a minute.

Shouldn't the question be...Can you believe Obama?!?!?! He keeps espousing Republican ideas!

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
5. I've long said, that in the current political environment
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 02:56 PM
Apr 2012

When the GOP is in power they propose absolutely stupid shit, but enact very little of it.

When the Democrats are in power they take those stupid shit ideas and treat them as serious proposals, getting much of them enacted into law (welfare 'reform' and NAFTA are two examples).

Its like the two parties are operating out a scripted play, and we're their audience.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
6. I think the problem is that they were bad ideas when the Democrats
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 02:57 PM
Apr 2012

stopped them the first time(s) and they're still bad ideas now that the Democrats have embraced them. And this is what you get when you keep pursuing bad ideas.
K&R

alfredo

(60,062 posts)
9. Look at it as an army conquering territory and holding it. To hold that territory, we have to
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:38 PM
Apr 2012

respect the residents of that territory and win their support, or at least prevent an uprising. When the opponent is finally vanquished, we can pull some of our troops from the occupied territories. Still we have to respect the customs of the occupied territories to keep those territories passive.


Not long ago the Republicans wanted to destroy the Democrats as a viable party. They failed because they showed no respect for those in occupied territories.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
12. Yep, here's how George W. Bush described them
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 04:02 PM
Apr 2012

"Our enemies are innovative and resourcefull, and so are we. They never stop thinking of ways to harm our country and our people,


and neither do we."

George W. Bush, accidentally telling the truth



That was my email signature line in 2005.


I added this, about his re-selection

"I prophesy to you this evil man will plunge our Reich into the abyss and will inflict immeasurable woe on our nation. Future generations will curse you in your grave for this action." Erich Ludendorff


the abyss? Did I exxagerate? Be hyperbolic?

You decide. For myself, I think western civilization came that close, all too close, to going down with a crash.

http://timeline.stlouisfed.org/index.cfm?p=timeline&tlid=538#tl_538

immeasurable woe? Okay, maybe it is measurable, like 12.7 million unemployed even now. But nobody has really measured the number killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, nor the long term effects.

An election is coming up. Let's learn from our past mistakes, shall we? Don't vote Romney, don't vote Republican, don't return to the disastrous policies of George W, Bush and Ronald Reagan.

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