AFA comes out with "Christian Hate Map"

[Archae]

You see, anything that doesn't let Christians have official status, or lets them discriminate is "persecution!"



The AFA Strikes Back With Its Own Anti-Christian 'Bigotry Map'

Submitted by Kyle Mantyla on Tuesday, 2/24/2015 10:43 am

Ever since the Southern Poverty Law Center designated the American Family Association as an anti-gay "hate group" back in 2010, the AFA has vehemently objected to being designated as such. In addition to regularly attacking the SPLC, the AFA has also taken a few half-hearted steps to try and distance itself from Bryan Fischer, who was almost single-handedly responsible for getting the AFA placed on the SPLC's hate list in the first place, in an effort to salvage its reputation. Now, it seems, the AFA has decided to take a page out of the SPLC's playbook by releasing its own "Bigotry Map" which seeks to highlight organizations that it claims "openly display bigotry toward the Christian faith":

- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/afa-strikes-back-its-own-anti-christian-bigotry-map#sthash.MUChbkTN.dpuf

[cleanhippie]

1. Sadly, there are many of those same types right here.

You see, anything that doesn't let Christians have official status, or lets them discriminate is "persecution!"

Spot on! Head to the Religion Group to see it in action.


Or they may just show up here in 3...2...

[Arugula Latte]

8. It was just strongly suggested to me that non-believers shouldn't spread their

opinions on the Internet.

[cleanhippie]

10. I strongly suggest that you ignore that advice.

[Arugula Latte]

11. Done.

*dusts hands*

[hrmjustin]

31. Tell them it is a free country and they need to get over it.

[el_bryanto]

2. What a dissapointing map - I thought it would track actual incidents

But really it's just a map of organizations they don't like. And it doesn't even seem very complete.

Bryant

[Fred Sanders]

4. The SPLC map is of folks pretending to be "Christian", but are just hate organizations...and is accurate.

This map by the AFA is a petulant response, probably borrowed from Fox.

[el_bryanto]

5. I guess I just thought it would be more about incidents than organizations

Particular as there is no context - rather the existence of an atheist group seems to be a threat to Christianity. That's weak.

That said, when they try and point out actual incidents of anti Christian hate, those don't tend to hold up under examination either, so maybe this is a better approach.

Bryant

[cleanhippie]

9. That's kinda the point here, don't ya think?

And that point being that here in reality, there really is no Christian persecution taking place.

[el_bryanto]

12. I wouldn't say no, but the vast majority of such incidents are drummed up nonsense

by people looking to pick a fight.

I'm glad I left the religion forum, if as you say, there are people arguing that Christians and believers should have a special place in America and that such persecution is rampant - that's not what I recall from my time there, but it's been quite a while since I trashed that forum.

Bryant

[cleanhippie]

15. We agree that "the vast majority of such incidents are drummed up nonsense"

but not by people looking to pick a fight, it's people who are angry that their personal beliefs are not being taken seriously and used to form law and policy.

Yes, Religion is a cesspool, but right now, it's a little better as one or two posters have left, even if for temporary religious reasons. I'm sure they will be back and the suck-level will resume normality.

[el_bryanto]

19. I personally don't understand why any believer would bother with the religion forum

I know I've been much much happier since I left. I mean why subject yourself to those sorts of constant attacks if you don't have to.

Bryant

[cleanhippie]

21. I'll point you back to the point of the OP for that answer.

Seems perfectly clear to me.

[el_bryanto]

24. Nods - figured that's where you would come down. nt

[cleanhippie]

25. Thanks?

[hrmjustin]

32. Not in the US.

Claims of Christian persecution in the US are ridiculous.

See we agree on something.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. Let's look at incidents of hate crimes from FBI's most recently tabulated year, 2013...

Just a few highlights and a link:
An analysis of data for victims of single-bias hate crime incidents showed that:

49.3 percent of the victims were targeted because of the offenders’ bias against race.
20.2 percent were targeted because of bias against sexual orientation.
16.9 percent were victimized because of bias against religion.

Of the 1,223 victims of anti-religious hate crimes:

60.3 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Jewish bias.
13.7 percent were victims of anti-Islamic (Muslim) bias.
6.1 percent were victims of anti-Catholic bias.
4.3 percent were victims of bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group).
3.8 percent were victims of anti-Protestant bias.
0.6 percent were victims of anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias.
11.2 percent were victims of bias against other religions (anti-other religion).
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2013/topic-pages/victims/victims_final

[cleanhippie]

23. I'm willing to bet that most of the offenders were Christian.

IOW, it's Christian on Christian hate and bias.

[cleanhippie]

7. Sorry, while you (and I) may not agree with their ideology, they are not "pretending"

to be Christian. They ARE Christian. Just as Christian as anyone else that claims to be Christian.

[csziggy]

13. Christians like them give all Christians a bad name

Similar to how ISIS gives Muslims a bad name.

I wish more mainstream Christians would call out extremists like the AFA. By their silence they are tacitly agreeing with their radical beliefs.

[cleanhippie]

16. "By their silence they are tacitly agreeing with their radical beliefs." BINGO!

[Fred Sanders]

14. Like Westboro United and the KKK claim to be? Your logic would mean they are also "Christians".

[cleanhippie]

17. They aren't? I'm sure that's news to them.

If someone says they are Christian, they are. Who are you to tell them that they are not?

[Fred Sanders]

18. Just say so.....and you are what you say you are, got it. Words over deeds, got it.

[cleanhippie]

20. Again, who are you to judge whether one who says they are Christian are or aren't?

Plus, last time I checked, all that's needed to be in that club is belief that Jesus is your personal savior, right?

[el_bryanto]

26. The key thing to remember with this argument is that a group is defined by its worst members

It's not just that the KKK or Fred Phelps are definitely Christians, its that they are the best examples of Christians. Christians that aren't engaged in hatred of their sort are in fact guilty of "intellectual dishonesty" or "cognitive dissonance" for not being as hateful.

Bryant

[Bluenorthwest]

27. I remember a thread about a Saudi cleric preaching against

snowmen, and you claimed it was a hit piece on Islam because it was not an official cleric so I told you what the official clerics were doing that week, public floggings of a blogger. You called that tit for tat.
Those are the deeds that are made out of words Fred.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014986754#post2

[randys1]

28. The AFA map is areas their people are not recommended to go to practice their child abuse

or spousal abuse.

That those areas may be more likely to be less tolerant of wife beating or child beating.

I mean your average rightwing xtian does believe that Women are inferior and children need beating, right?

[sinkingfeeling]

3. They left off NW Arkansas Freethinkers.

[Faux pas]

6. They're so wrapped up in in their own

BS that they don't get that it's not anti-christian, it's anti-asshole.

[rurallib]

29. "the AFA basically just listed every atheist, humanist, or freethinker organization it could find"

I appreciate this information.
I see there is one near me that I may check out.

Thanks AFA

[backscatter712]

30. Cool, a couple atheist groups I participated with are on their list?

What an honor!

[freshwest]

33. Did they include the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama?

About the 1963 Birmingham Bombing



On Sunday, 15th September, 1963, a white man was seen getting out of a white and turquoise Chevrolet car and placing a box under the steps of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church. Soon afterwards, at 10.22 a.m., the bomb exploded killing Denise McNair (11), Addie Mae Collins (14), Carole Robertson (14) and Cynthia Wesley (14). The four girls had been attending Sunday school classes at the church. Twenty-three other people were also hurt by the blast.

Civil rights activists blamed George Wallace, the Governor of Alabama, for the killings. Only a week before the bombing he had told the New York Times that to stop integration Alabama needed a "few first-class funerals."

Well, he sure got his wish, didn't he?

A witness identified Robert Chambliss, a member of the Ku Klux Klan, as the man who placed the bomb under the steps of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church. He was arrested and charged with murder and possessing a box of 122 sticks of dynamite without a permit. On 8th October, 1963, Chambliss was found not guilty of murder and received a hundred-dollar fine and a six-month jail sentence for having the dynamite.

The case was unsolved until Bill Baxley was elected attorney general of Alabama. He requested the original Federal Bureau of Investigation files on the case and discovered that the organization had accumulated a great deal of evidence against Chambliss that had not been used in the original trial.

In November, 1977 Chambliss was tried once again for the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church bombing. Now aged 73, Chambliss was found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment. Chambliss died in an Alabama prison on 29th October, 1985...

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/m_r/randall/birmingham.htm

These Christian girls were murdered while at Sunday school in 1963 by the 'christian knights' of the KKK. Will the AFA bring up these murders in their litany of 'anti-Christian hate groups' or are they only concerned about getting their feelings hurt?

Let's hear them talk about all those lynchings and the death of these girls at a CHURCH and then I might listen to their RWNJ squawking. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to talk about serious things.

They can go and defend Christianity in Daesh territory to prove their concern, instead of babbling here where they have a right to believe what they choose.

Not holding my breath on that...

EDIT: BTW, they could ask the SPLC:

Remembering the Birmingham Bombing

By Richard Cohen, SPLC President -09/10/2013

This afternoon, I had the privilege of attending the Congressional Gold Medal Ceremony honoring Addie Mae Collins, Denise McNair, Carole Robertson, and Cynthia Wesley (Cynthia Diane Morris) — the four little girls who were killed in the Birmingham church bombing by Klansmen 50 years ago this month.

The ceremony, coming just two weeks after the nation commemorated the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington and Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech, was a poignant reminder that great progress often comes at great cost.

Here at the SPLC, we remember Addie Mae, Denise, Carole, and Cynthia every day because their names are carved in the granite stone of the Civil Rights Memorial in front of our office. And though we take some solace in the fact that we filed a lawsuit that put the Klan group behind the church bombing out of business, we know that much remains to be done.

We honor their memories by serving those in our country who are victims of unfairness, those who are still judged by the color of their skin, rather than the content of their character. Thank you for standing with us and for all that you do to keep Dr. King's dream alive.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/remembering-the-birmingham-bombing

Or they might listen to a man who spoke out at that time:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/the-day-after-the-church-bombing

Take a look at the SPLC, AFA, and feel some shame, if your consciences are not already seared to the point they cannot feel anything good again. You and the Birchers like Alex Jones that repeatedly attack the SPLC, have some explaining to do. And if you can't see that, you are condemning yourself.