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Sun Apr 29, 2012, 05:40 PM

"The world is made up of givers and takers. There is no in-between."

I made a little trek to Pismo Beach yesterday to walk on the new boardwalk, watch the beach bunnies at play and poke around the stores. I got an ice cream cone and sat at a bench next to an older woman, a stranger. We struck up a conversation and since it trended towards what is wrong with the world today, she made the above statement.

It got me to thinking. If this is true, then half of us are trying to make the world a better place and the other half of us are trying to tear it down. How can we have hope if we are so radically divided? If those of us who are givers can never get ahead because the takers ruin everything, should we get tough and start considering them the enemy? If there is this battle between good and evil, right and wrong, how do we win? It seems the takers are winning right now and have the rest of us in retreat.

Any thoughts?

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 05:43 PM

1. that's very black and white...I think there are degrees of both in all of us...

 

That sound like a line from a Hollywood script of a Joan Collins potboiler.

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Response to rfranklin (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 05:45 PM

3. Since I really didn't know this lady, I have no idea what she's been reading. n/t

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 05:43 PM

2. Worse than that....even some of the givers expect something in return.

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Response to RagAss (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 05:46 PM

5. Shouldn't they in a way though? Maybe like a better society for everyone in return? eom

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Response to Cleita (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 05:47 PM

6. That would be an optimistic view.

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 05:46 PM

4. I believe there is an "in between," as well.

Thanks for the thread, Clieta.

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 06:09 PM

7. The comment is...

...ludicrous on its face.

I hope the ice cream cone was good...

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 06:15 PM

8. I think she was speaking from a deep wound that was more about personal loss than anything else...

Especially as we grow older, we lose alternatives in the traditional sense. We are no longer in the thick of things, don't have as many choices. What she stated is a very narrow defense for maintaining the status quo.

She sounds bitter about losses, or perhaps adopted that to excuse what she did to someone else. Takers think they are doing something good, because they may not be feeling any pain from the transaction. Pain can be shared or denied as we choose.

We can't live our lives according to a catchy phrase about how there's no hope, to dismiss the pain and refuse to change. Each loss is a gain, but sometimes we don't know what we gained by it.

I like the phrase 'the gift of goodbye,' about things and people I left behind or who left me behind. Trying to change that past prevents moving forward. I am no longer that person. The present is always there to use to make a future, but if we tie ourselves to a dead thing that no longer wants us, who's to blame?

Although I found the words on a bumper sticker funny, 'Since I gave up all hope, I feel so much better,' it was also instructive. In other words, accept things have changed and didn't go the way you wanted. Now take stock of what you have, right now, in this moment.

Then, perhaps, one can find another way to be what one believes they are meant to be. Much of our hopes are fanciful and we decieve ourselves drawing our castles in the sky that are never built. It's not anyone else's fault, it's just a passing thought.

Making black and white statements is like the place where people just stop thinking because they're tired and want a slogan to take its place.

'America, love it or leave it,' 'Restoring honor to America,' 'The Bible said it, I believe it and that's the end of it,' 'Guns, god and gays,' 'These colors don't run.' There are many, spoken in a tone of finality and conviction with strong passion.

None of those statements mean a damned thing. Any of those can be reasonably argued and defeated. The person has only announced that they are refusing to listen, they're hiding behind dead words and phrases.

People do that when they've run out of ideas, are tired physically or are clinging to the past. But people have to change or die. The world is not made up of any two single actions or philosohies. It's made up of infinite happenings and infinite ways of looking at it. IMHO.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 06:17 PM

9. Good assessment. It doesn't make life seem so hopeless. n/t

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 06:31 PM

10. I think that there are...

alot of inbetweens. I think we make decisions between giving and taking constantly as situations change around us. I just hope that we all want to be givers. Laugh if you want, it does sound silly, but there it is. Just saying...

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 07:36 PM

12. Fox's John Stossel uses those terms

Givers (Makers, Creators) and Takers are Stossel's favorites.
The "takers are mad that some people are rich" and will "suck the life out of America", blah, blah, blah....

Just a rewrite of Ayn Rand's "producers" and "looters".

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Response to spedtr90 (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 07:41 PM

13. TG I don't watch Fox, but good to know. n/t

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