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Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:33 AM

Shocking letters hidden for 76 yrs reveals Edward VIII's Abdication was orchestrated by

the Archbishop of Canterbury Cosmo Lang.

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The cause of the conflict between the King and his Archbishop appears to have been a question of style as well as traditional morality.

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He stooped to blackmail and rumour-mongering, falsely alleging that the King was mentally ill and an alcoholic.

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A devastating private letter was sent to Dawson that said: ‘My dear Dawson, I have heard from a trustworthy source that His Majesty is mentally ill and that his obsession is due not to mere obstinacy but to a deranged mind.

More than once in the past he’s shown symptoms of persecution-mania. This, even apart from the present matter, would lead almost inevitably to recurring quarrels with his ministers if he remained on the throne.’




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136672/The-madness-King-Edward-VIII-Shocking-letters-hidden-76-years-reveal-Archbishop-accused-Monarch-insanity-alcoholism-persecution-mania--forced-abdication-crisis.html#ixzz1tOtwfOBZ












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Reply Shocking letters hidden for 76 yrs reveals Edward VIII's Abdication was orchestrated by (Original post)
snagglepuss Apr 2012 OP
Suich Apr 2012 #1
snagglepuss Apr 2012 #4
eppur_se_muova Apr 2012 #21
msongs Apr 2012 #2
snagglepuss Apr 2012 #5
MADem Apr 2012 #3
jberryhill Apr 2012 #7
MADem Apr 2012 #8
GCP May 2012 #32
MADem May 2012 #36
Seeking Serenity Apr 2012 #16
patricia92243 Apr 2012 #10
eridani May 2012 #34
roguevalley Apr 2012 #23
MADem Apr 2012 #25
Major Hogwash Apr 2012 #26
MADem Apr 2012 #28
DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #6
ashling Apr 2012 #9
MADem Apr 2012 #11
roscoeroscoe Apr 2012 #14
LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #12
renate Apr 2012 #13
TalkingDog Apr 2012 #15
obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #17
obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #18
jberryhill Apr 2012 #19
snagglepuss Apr 2012 #20
TorchTheWitch Apr 2012 #22
obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #24
GCP May 2012 #33
MADem Apr 2012 #27
Bob in CT May 2012 #31
UTUSN Apr 2012 #29
Skidmore Apr 2012 #30
Manifestor_of_Light May 2012 #35

Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:41 AM

1. Small point: It was Edward Vlll, not Vll.

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Response to Suich (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:46 AM

4. Thanks. I've made the correction.

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Response to Suich (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 04:21 PM

21. He craves Your Majesty's pardon. He has had a long journey here and miscounted... nt

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:43 AM

2. hmm sounds like his "persecution-mania" was entirely justfied lol nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:46 AM

5. LOL How true.

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:45 AM

3. Well, the guy did a good thing, at the end of the day.

Eddie and Wally were fans of Hitler. Had Germany won the war, they would have been the Puppet Royalty of the British Empire.



...In 1941, while they were holidaying in Florida, the exiled former king and his consort, now the Duke and the Duchess of Windsor, were spied upon by the FBI on the orders of President Franklin D. Roosevelt. These FBI files, written in the 1940s and now released under America’s Freedom of Information Act, detailed that the Duchess might have been passing secrets to a leading Nazi with whom she was thought to have had an affair and that His Majesty’s Government had known for the fact for some time.

Following Edward’s accession, the German embassy in London sent a cable for the personal attention of Hitler himself. It read: “An alliance between Germany and Britain is for him (the King) an urgent necessity.” In October 1937, the Windsors visited Nazi Germany, met Hitler at his Obersalzberg retreat (above), dined with his deputy, Rudolf Hess, and even visited a concentration camp. The camp’s guard towers were explained away as meat stores for the inmates. The visit was against the advice of the British government and during the visit the Duke gave full Nazi salutes.

At the outbreak of war, the duke served as a military liaison officer in Paris. Hitler made an abortive attempt to bring Edward and his wife to Nazi-sympathetic Spain, and greatly alarmed, the British establishment finally packing the duke off to the Bahamas from 1940-45. Deeply disenchanted by the society that had spun him, the Duke made his Nazi sympathies explicit, once telling a journalist that “it would be a tragic thing for the world if Hitler was overthrown”. In another break from his usual unassuming boyish behavior, he remarked, “After the war is over and Hitler will crush the Americans. We’ll take over. They (the British) don’t want me as their King, but I’ll be back as their leader.”

After the war, the duke and duchess returned to France. He died there in 1972, while the Duchess lived on until 1986....

http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/edward-and-wallis-with-hitler/

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Response to MADem (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 01:02 AM

7. Well, it's not as if "Windsor" was the original family name

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 01:07 AM

8. Yep, they were a long ways from their native land!

I always got the impression that Eddie was a bit of a twit and an idiot, and Wally led him round by the nose. She just luvvvved her some Nazis--not sure if it was the authoritarian attitudes or the snazzy uniforms that turned her twisted head!

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Response to MADem (Reply #8)

Sun May 6, 2012, 04:34 AM

32. It wasn't the nose she led him around by

Last edited Sun May 6, 2012, 06:27 AM - Edit history (1)

I've read he was more or less impotent until Wallis managed to do it for him.

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Response to GCP (Reply #32)

Mon May 7, 2012, 07:40 PM

36. Well, a nose by any other name would smell like....feet?

Or maybe worse!

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:04 AM

16. Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

Very German, dating all the way back to the Hanoverians (George I).

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Response to MADem (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:13 AM

10. Thanks for the post. I always heard that it was the Nazi stuff that made the powers

that be get rid of him. They would have found some way around the Wallace situation - but not the Nazi thing.

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #10)

Sun May 6, 2012, 05:38 AM

34. Very interesting

Didn't know that--thanks to all for the information.

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Response to MADem (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:34 PM

23. he also was a terrible racist telling government officials of the wrong color persuasion

to use the servant's entrances and the like. What a pathetic little unfit man. But then, he was raised lonely and unloved. His mother, Queen Mary was the last of the old time hide bound traditionalists in her role.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #23)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:35 PM

25. Not the nicest guy in the room, certainly. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:46 PM

26. I remember when he died.

And how some articles in the newspapers were very kind to him.
My parents weren't very kind after he passed away, though.
They both told me about his ties to the Nazis and how many people despised him right up until the day he died.

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 09:11 AM

28. That was owing to the romanticized "woman I love" speech!

All that Nazi business got swept under the rug as best could be managed, in order not to blemish the Family Franchise.

I'm guessing if the miserable bastard had a crystal ball and could have seen twenty years into the future, he would have dumped Wally like a three-day old fish. She gave him all kinds of crap in his later years (no pity from me on that score, though).

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 01:00 AM

6. I think the fact he was a nazi had a bit more to do with it. n/t

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 02:55 AM

9. Will no one rid me of this medlesome priest?

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Response to ashling (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:18 AM

11. Clever you! +1! nt

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Response to ashling (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 05:03 AM

14. en garde!

alle!~

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 04:19 AM

12. The Daily Mail is a sensationalist rag

It was always known that Archbishop Lang opposed the King's marriage and contributed to his abdication, though some of the details are new.

In any case, though the furore about his marrying a divorcee was rather ridiculous, it is just as well that he abdicated, since he had rather too many sympathies with Nazi Germany.

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 04:34 AM

13. oh, poo

The Yorks didn't set up a "rival court" in hopes of snagging the monarchy--they were horrified and upset about it. George VI cried on his mother's shoulder for an hour when it was clear that it was inevitable, and realized that he'd never been trained for the job, as being a naval officer was all he ever knew.

Once Wallis came into the picture (and while I don't particularly like her, I don't blame her--the obsessive love was one-sided), Edward/David was paranoid about anybody who didn't agree with him, and that included the Archbishop of Canterbury. He would have been a horrible, self-focused king along the lines of George IV, so if Cosmo Lang was dead-set against him, thank goodness for that. Every little bit helps.

The new Queen Elizabeth probably sent Lang a thank-you note out of politeness and gratitude for his emotional support, not for his having gotten them onto the throne. They didn't want it--she had turned Bertie (later George VI) down three times before accepting him, because she didn't even want the life of a royal duchess, let alone that of a queen) and she later felt that the stresses of kingship had shortened her husband's life.

Goodness, I need to get a life. But however pathetic it is that I have any feelings at all on this matter, this article is full of poo about people's motives, even if it's correct about what happened.

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Response to renate (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:53 AM

15. Nope. Post like yours are part of the best of DU. You know the subject well

you admit you have a bias and you are concise.

I found it interesting. Thank you.

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Response to renate (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:14 AM

17. You saved me from writing this, thanks

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Response to renate (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:18 AM

18. Also, as you stated, Wallis didn't even really want to marry him

She just wanted to enjoy the social power associated with being his mistress. HE was the one who was obsessive about her, even after she left the country and told him to drop the whole marriage thing. David was an emotionally immature, rather stupid man who was known to gleefully bed other men's wives as his "right."

George V stated that he hoped David never had children, so that nothing would keep Bertie (George VI) and Lilibet (Elizabeth II) from the throne. He knew David was a loose cannon frat boy who didn't understand duty. Imagine him during the Blitz???

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Response to renate (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:31 AM

19. Didn't they put Prince Albert in a can?

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Response to renate (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:39 AM

20. You are just spouting the spin that came with the Abdication. The Queen Mother was

far from the angel she was made out to be. She was manipulative and ambiguous. Your description of her is simply proof how effective the efforts were to spin the situation to protect the British monarchy.

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Response to renate (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 06:37 PM

22. All true

He was entirely self-focused and an embarrassment with his open womanizing and playboy lifestyle. He was never interested in being King in the first place and wasn't shy about who knew it... he used to frequently joke with Princess Elizabeth calling her "Queen Elizabeth" as he had already long been considering abdication even before meeting Wallis. He just wasn't interested in the job and was continually at loggerheads with his ministers about everything that he wanted to do (even the good things like the government helping out the poor miners in Wales which horrified the "1%" government), though it was his Nazi sympathies that were likely the most upsetting thing about him to the government.

The law forbade his marriage to Wallis as both her previous husbands still lived. He even offered to cut any children by him and Wallis from the succession, but according to the law he couldn't unless he wanted to cause a constitutional crisis which he wasn't willing to go that far and do. His choices were either dump her or abdicate, so he chose abdication, which was not such a big deal to him since he didn't really want to be King anyway. And thank goodness he did because he would have been a horror as King especially considering the huge problem of Germany at that time.


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Response to TorchTheWitch (Reply #22)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:45 PM

24. You know the Nazis planned to make put him and Wallis on the throne

If they had been able to invade Britain (it still amazes me they didn't), which is why The Government installed him as Governor as the Bahamas so the Yanks could keep an eye on him, far from Germany (He had to be forced to return to British soil after Germany invaded France. He was threatened with a court martial for treason).

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #24)

Sun May 6, 2012, 04:49 AM

33. They never invaded Britain because Hitler believed in Goerring

Goerring told him the Luftwaffe could get rid of Britain's air defences thereby making it an easy target for invasion, but the Luftwaffe's plan to bomb British airfields was thwarted by superior equipment in the form of Spitfire fighters which were faster and more manoeuvrable than the German fighter escorts. This was the Battle of Britain in 1940. Hitler had been all set to invade that year, but when Goerring's airforce was shown to be inadequate for the job, and lost many aircraft, Hitler switched to bombing cities, the invasion was indefinitely postponed and never happened because then he decided to invade the USSR and the rest, as they say, is history.

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Response to renate (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 09:06 AM

27. I'd wager you have a very nice life!

And for what little it is worth, I agree with your sense of the motivations of the principal players in this little royal drama!

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Response to renate (Reply #13)

Sun May 6, 2012, 02:55 AM

31. I agree

Renate, your analysis seems the most plausible to me. Yes, the Queen Mother blamed Wallis, but she often referred to her as the "woman who killed my husband." She believed that Edward's abdication and her husband's accession to the Throne shortened George VI's life. They never wanted to be King, so to suggest that they had set up a rival Court is absurd. Bertie did everything in his power to keep Edward on the Throne.

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 10:32 AM

29. Good for Cosmo that he dumped the Nazis (even if it wasn't his #1 goal); bad he saved the monarchy

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 11:49 AM

30. This author of the biography on this situation is on "The View" now.

What an amazing bouffant updo. Rivals Marie Antoinette in style. Interesting discussion.

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2012, 04:58 PM

35. Edward VIII/David did not want to fight his German cousins. Simple.

About George V, Elizabeth II's grandfather:
George's relationship with his eldest son and heir, Edward, deteriorated in these later years.

George was disappointed in Edward's failure to settle down in life and appalled by his many affairs with married women. In contrast, he was fond of his second eldest son, Prince Albert (later George VI), and doted on his eldest granddaughter, Princess Elizabeth; he nicknamed her "Lilibet", and she affectionately called him "Grandpa England".

In 1935 George said of his son Edward: "After I am dead, the boy will ruin himself within 12 months", and of Albert and Lilibet: "I pray to God my eldest son will never marry and have children, and that nothing will come between Bertie and Lilibet and the throne."

He must have been a very wise man to foresee what happened.

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