Just as I feared. Justice delayed is Justice denied. Trayvon situation is getting out of hand.

as, "the shooting in Sanford of the unarmed teenager.' Makes it sound as if Trayvon might still be alive. How about 'the killing' or 'the murder of'...nah that wouldn't do.

a big clue about the spin of the whole article

he is afraid of more backlash and fallout...but how he describes Martin (unarmed teen shot) is the way I see the RWing machine describe Martin (exact wording) so I am instantly suspicious.

will undermine the point that we both hope he's trying to make.

suck it up because some hoods did what they do all the time, anyway, and mentioned Trayvon?

Sensationalist bullshit imo.

...... your point?

I never read anything that gave me the impression he was a right-winger. If you have a bio that says differently, I will be happy to read it, since I don't care to push that agenda either.

you can take racism completely out of the picture and it is STILL the cold blooded murder of a kid walking home from a gas station.

I purposely take the race out of the equation and focus on what we cannot argue about; Zimmerman aimed a handgun at a child and pulled the trigger. Those are FACTS and ultimately will be what ends up putting him behind bars imo.

People can go on and on about RACE...but that won't change ANY facts in the case - a murdered boy, a cover up. THOSE are the factors in the case a jury is going to listen to imo.

He just doesn't support beating up people to avenge Trayvon.

nobody supports beating up anyone to avenge anything or they shouldn't, right? That is kinda like common sense. Maybe it is to me and it is not how ordinary people think, but all the people I've ever met would agree with your statement - because we don't live in a society based on bloodlust and anarchy. Do you see how people can 'feel' this is just another setup? No matter what the race actually with me, it is an ALERT when someone purposely WANTS to make the issue about race. Got to watch out for those dog whistles.

How can he write an article which is so spot on one month, and then write another one which is full of trigger words?

Definitely makes one wonder where this guy is coming from.

as if the lies are somehow true o if a "black man" says them.

Please don't post disgusting right wing dogshit here.

In the past articles I've read (admittedly, not all of them) he's done a good job of presenting a side of the argument which often gets overlooked and which has been popularly accepted by this forum.

it acceptable. that's just so obvious, I'm amazed that you don't grasp it. Oh, and you're not making any sense. You don't seem to be able to convey your thoughts cogently.

I'll be happy to explain.

I do go out of my way to let minorities speak for themselves. (I happen to be one.) Sometimes, I am dismayed by their responses because I don't think they realize how their comments will be twisted. Like the Black woman who said something to the effect, look at me, I'm black, and I'm telling you that there were burglaries in the neighborhood committed by black youths. Sure enough, her quote was used to support an article that was leading up to the conclusion that Zimmerman had a right to profile Trayvon.

If this columnist turns out to be a Clarence Thomas, it will become evident over time. But he is also the same columnist who wrote a compelling article that explained why Black Americans were up in arms over the Zimmerman shooting. That one went over very well on DU.

However, now that this is posted, I am also seeing things from all sides. It's a learning experience.

that you can't see how dishonest and repugnant this article is, says everything.

And once escalated, a self-fulfilling prophecy will be created that will allow White America to legitimize their prejudices.

You saw something else. I'm okay with that and I respect it.

that you found this article acceptable in any shape or form, tells us exactly what you are.

But that's okay. It's impossible to navigate these waters without some form of misunderstanding eventually erupting.

I understand your outrage.

Mon dieu......

Poor Trayvon. Now the child thug is responsible for all crimes against white folks.

shame on you. SHAME.

The author, for instance, makes shit up about the man who was beaten in Mobile.

Is he making up other shit? Probably.

a rightwing piece of shit paper.

Don't post shit like this again.

He also wrote this:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-23/news/os-darryl-owens-homepage-20120323_1_black-parents-survival-guide-wrong-word

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Tribune#Editorial_policy

I already know the entire history of the Orlando Slantinel since I have been following them since 1985. If you have information that Darryl is a right-winger, I would love to hear it and I promise you I will never link another thing he writes. May do that anyway.

Just my suggestion.

Thank you, Rex.

What is your point with this post?

If these events he's talking about are accurate, they are distractions that we don't need right now.

the case in Mobile. There is a lot of doubt that anyone mention Trayvon in this horrible incident. The only person claiming that is the victim's sister.

The victim is felonious racist who threatened kids with kitchen knives whilst spewing racist shit. An enraged mob attacked him subsequently.

It has zippo to do with Martin.

The author is conveniently twisting shit.

He's a right wing lying piece of crap.

Given that set of information.

is an opinion writer for a right wing outlet, it follows that he's right wing himself. And the article certainly demonstrates that.

And, actually, Mike Thomas, before he left the paper, said he was the only Republican to write for the paper.

this guy seems to be all over the map.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-17/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-darryl-owens-031712-20120316_1_black-boy-unequal-justice-black-life

Not sure I would do it again.

What sport? Let's call it Trayvon Piñata.

How's it played?

Simple. Gather at least two or up to 30 players (usually black, but not always). Target some unsuspecting, blameless white person. Confront. Spout some racial pap. Stomp the stuffing out of him in Trayvon's name.

Rip-roaring fun!

fuck darryl owens. fuck posting this kind of disgusting shit on DU.

a case that appears to be murder. They seem to be trying to legalize lynching.

In those kind of environments, good ole boy justice will prevail as people make networks and use those networks to make phone calls to ask for favors. Until now, no one has looked into it deep enough to expose it. But we have to remember, no matter how much we think we're making headway, there is a staunch group here who are too indoctrinated in this way of thinking that they won't admit they're wrong.

Look, they make up the rules around here. There's a strong military retiree presence here which resonates with the legal enforcement agencies because they both "serve America." They give each other bending room, and are Nazis with everyone else. And to see how crazy they can get, a small local group of the privileged inner circle were allowed to assign a flag, an AMerican flag, as a monument for all those who served America. So when you drive into the community and see the American flag waving in that community, know that it doesn't represent a country of united states, because the flag has been commandeered by the ex-military group here who can never get enough recognition for the sacrifices they made for us.

Never mind that we would all be happy to pitch in money for a monument to be commissioned and built in a park. They want their American flag. One that has nothing to do with the rest of us.

So, don't underestimate how crazy things can get around here, because people are following their own drummers.

Check the signature line.

I also suggest you look up my other posts to find out that I am very much aware of how the racists in this country think, which is why I'm afraid that any attacks on whites to avenge Trayvon will undermine us in the long run--because it plays into their prejudices.

However, I also recognize that the author of that article may not have gotten all his facts right, and should have been more careful with his choice of words.

between your comments and the op, I just want to

I remember the first few months after Obama was elected and inaugurated it seemed that casual inter-racial interactions in public places like supermarkets or restaurants took on a friendlier feel. What I noticed specifically was an increase in eye contact and greetings as people passed each other.

Then the teabaggers rose out of the ashes of the KKK and we went right back to looking past each other.

In my opinion, there has been a great deal of harm done by the rightwing use of racism as a political tool against Obama. I know that I resent it mightily and I'm white, so it is my assumption that in general the feelings of minorities of all persuasions are at least as predisposed towards anger as my own. With that in mind, it is understandable that many could believe Treyvon's killing could very well be the spark for a far wider reaction. Anyone that lived through the riots of the 60s knows that sometimes people can take only so much of this type of abuse before they collectively react.

I think this is a good article and that the claims of it being a right wing screed are totally off target. I can see how it might be perceived that way if you are reading it looking through a lens hyper-focused on a few key concepts. For example, the slight against the Reverend Al, is something that could legitimately be read as coming from the standard right wing playbook. I think the author is mistaken on that point because I recall him at the press conference on the day they announced the charges; he was definitely calling for public calm and imploring people to recognize that the judicial process was, albeit delayed, working. However that alone doesn't make it a right wing POV and it really requires a narrow focus to not detect the dripping sarcasm that accompanied the sentence "Rip-roaring fun!".

I don't think Treyvon's murder is going to be the spark that sets off wide spread racial violence, but it is one more stick on an overloaded camel's back. What is most worrisome is that such violence, were it to become widespread, would play directly into the political ambitions of the right. In public policy and economics that is called a "perverse incentive" and I believe it is proper to be on guard against those who would try to create the impression of it hoping to ratchet tensions ever higher.

I do not think this article is doing that.

straight out made shit up about at least one of the incidents he talks about. The language is disgusting.

And making stuff up is sickening.

And sick, sick, sick.

About Al Sharpton. I heard his speech and thought it was short and to the point. He wasn't up there to incite a riot. His presence sent the message that the issue now had national attention.

But I understand how he is a closed book for some people. My Republican friend said she didn't like Sharpton and I got in her face. I told her that I have been around here long enough to see the favoritism and the hypocrisy and that if someone didn't bring Black Americans together to fight this issue, it was just going to get swept under the rug. I didn't care if it was Sharpton or Jackson. It wasn't our call. It was about getting Black Americans politically active in a way that would bring positive results. If they worked within the system, in the end we would all benefit. If they accept our support, more the better.

It's true, some words and some people have different meanings to different people. We just need to point it out, push it out of the way, and move in the direction where we can find results.

but a murder trial, let alone a celebrity one, takes months, are are extremely expensive.

If we are lucky this will be done with in three months. This case taking six months to nine would not shock me.

The ACTUAL case itself before a jury will take a few weeks.

how much of this do you think we would have averted?

Because of the extremely expensive discovery process in a murder trial.

One problem they will have is actually empaneling a jury. Why, finding folks who know little to none will be difficult. The Anthony Trial shows it can be done, but that alone took over two weeks, it usually takes less then a week, in a few cases same day.

But there is a reason a few first degree get pleaded down to second. DA's know the expense. So if I can have joe go to jail and admit his gilt, saving the state both money and time...sure.

Murder trials, due to how high the stakes are, take both time and lots of money.

I usually recomend law and order for procedures, the closest of these dramas to real life. But consistently they get one thing wrong, the time it takes to go before an actual jury.

To add, will be pleasantly surprised if this goes before a Jury before Christmas, and Omara, Zymmerman's lawyer, requested the delay to get this one to cool down, see the jury issues.

See coverage in the media for example.

Tick tock.

how counter-productive it is in the big picture.

Of course, since it was posted in the Chicago Tribune, some DUers will dismiss it.

and how naive not to accept the truth. some choose not to accept it, or like the one poster who simply thinks that hate crimes can't or should not be applied to crimes against whites.

The whole damned deck is stacked against you, you are always last in line, in the back of the bus, at the bottom of the heap: it is all just so damned unfair to white people, this country is....

"The mind wobbles...."

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Letting the nettle sting only makes you more obvious, and more laughable.

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And obvious as puppy mess on the carpet.

you'll find plenty of them wherever you find a message board. how does the world look from inside your bubble?

You have been caught at it, and it will be remembered when you come out of your cave to peddle your 'blacks rampage against whites' nonesense.

and of course you only focused on those like it was a white supremacist site. lets go back to the OP though. what do you think about the Chicago hate crime?

Here is that foum's 'race relations' sub-forum, for the edification of anyone interested in how this got started....

http://www.politicalforum.com/race-relations/

Damned odd company you keep....

From your post here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=609346


http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/243174-family-daniel-adkins-demands-shooter-arrested.html


" The White community in Phoenix must be on edge considering the amount of blacks that shoot and kill Whites on a daily basis in America. Now they're doing it without being arrested for it? The White community better hope and pray for protection. They don't have a Jesse Jackson or an Al Sharpton to represent them and they sure as hell don't have any Black Panthers to put out a bounty on "22 year old black male's" head"

"Where are the bleeding heart liberals in this one... Oh thats right they only stick up for BLACK thugs..."

"Liberals are like an afterbirth. Purged as useless once used.
Beware the Gubmint man saying "Ah am heah to hep you".Cause all he's helping is your money out of your wallet.
Barack Hussein Obama - a waste is a terrible thing to mind."

"So because the victim of this shooting wasnt black the bleeding heart liberals want nothing to do with it, yep there is no issue to grandstand on nor a race riot to stir up.
Libtards make me sick."

"He was hunted down like a dog and shot down on the street by a black man. (Isn't that how Democratic Congress Members described it?)"

you know, the subject of my post.

love how you gleaned the message board for the comments you find offensive. funny company you keep.

There is no need to give you any substantive reply, because you are not contributing anything of substance. You are here only to play up, and play to, nonesensical and malicious claims of 'black terror against white people'.

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Nor is there any point to your posting but promoting nonesensical and malicious claims of white victim-hood at the hands of black marauders....

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there is only one of us who does.

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Maybe a double-bill, let you get you get all the kinks out....

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I am willing to point out this reality because I know inequality is alive and thriving in the U.S. The system is so stacked against minorities AND people who believe in diversity that we must recognize that this is not our country. Not in the sense that the laws will be applied to protect our interests. There have been too many examples to the contrary. My website is replete with them.

But we are Americans and WE DO HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPECT OUR COUNTRY TO RESPOND TO OUR PLIGHT, especially when that plight is being exacerbated by other Americans. The question is, how do we get the legal enforcement agencies and legal services to recognize our needs when law enforcement agencies are dominated by status quo thinking, and you need money to move the legal services?

I don't know the answer to those questions. But what I do know is that we have a narrow line, a very narrow line, which we can walk to stay on the moral high ground. It's the only thing that will help us prevail. It's the only way that we can avoid getting pushed back into the crab bucket.

I know that one answer is to expose their hypocrisies which is why I launched the website. But people are very slow to catch on how the problems that we face as minorities are compounded by the fact that you have an entire class of people who feel that the merit system means that you're a good buddy who is willing to support a corrupt status quo.

But there is an element, which can be found near-by, which is simply interested in pretending that any actions for justice in a current case, or to redress some standing or past wrong, is a danger to whites, and causes blacks to engage in attacking whites, and attempts to distort news reports to proclaim there is some nationwide wave of black terror against whites.

In the particular incident which occurred more than a week ago in the Chicago metro area, there was an improvised crime of opportunity in a park (use of a tree branch as a weapon suggests little advance planning), and one of the people arrested for it said he did it because the killing of Mr. Martin. It is clear from both the felony charges leveled, and the bail set, that this person has a criminal record of some substance (crowding in the Cook County Jail is such that just about everyone gets a recognizance bail; the standard is not 'are you likely to show up' but 'are you likely to get arrested for something before trial'). So what we have is someone who has done this sort of thing before being stupid, and on several levels, since the odds of his understanding he was talking himself into much more serious trouble by saying he did this 'for Trayyvon' rather than because 'he looked funny' or 'I wanted money' are pretty slim.

Thank you, Sir. It only stands to show the incredible obstacle course we have to walk. Herding cats doesn't even come close to the challenges we're dealing with.

“So far that is an uncorroborated report,” Hargrove said. “This involved two neighbors who lived on the same street who’d had problems in the past and who got into a fight over kids playing basketball.

“It is our understanding that the person who made the claim about the Trayvon case was not even on the scene Saturday night.”

Via the Press-Register: Police say 3 ‘active participants’ assaulted Matthew Owens; Jones reaches out to federal investigators

http://blog.al.com/live/2012/04/police_say_3_active_participan.html

Is Baitball the only game you play? Do you think we are stupid? You will find your bait thrown back at you smartly here.

like many columnists he just wanted to stir the shit and troll for traffic and mouse clicks...

Appreciate the information. I always welcome good information and have already acknowledged that Darryl may not have been a reliable source.

I lived through the Kent State shootings, so I know how quickly these things can turn with just one incident. To this day the right-wing thinks that action was justified. So I may be anxious, worrying that something similar may happen here.

Absolutely do not have any problem with people refuting the information and suggesting otherwise.

add thick skin to the list of desirable attributes at DU. We are like beaten spouses here, ready to snarl even at friendly strangers.

(and too often proved right in our paranoia.)

My advice is to wait awhile to use the ignore function. Then use it.

Those are the sources of the fearmongering about whites being in danger from mobs of Blacks seeking revenge for Trayvon. (The racist comments on the column are an eye-opener--and at least one advises whites to "stock up on ammunition.")

The wildly inaccurate description of the Mobile case after the early inflammatory reports had already been thoroughly debunked shows that the columnist didn't even bother to do his basic homework.

They use 'blog' in their address for reasons that must seem good to them. But it is a real local paper of record, directly quoting police and city officials.

I'll count on you and Librechik to correct me the next time I link to an unreliable source.