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Fri Apr 27, 2012, 09:53 PM

are you better off than you were four years ago?

The economy was shedding 750,000 jobs per month when Obama was sworn in. It has had 25 straight months of growth, averaging +200,000 over the past 6.

There are half as many troops in Iraq/Afghanistan than there were in January of 2009.

The Dow was at 6500 the day Obama's stimulus passed. It is over 13,000 now. Your 401k has doubled under Obama.

The U.S. auto industry was about to dissolve in the spring of 2009. It is healthier than it has been in decades now.

America was loathed throughout the rest of the world. It is respected now.

Osama was alive, and al Qaeda was reconstituting. He is dead and al Qaeda barely exists now.



Are we better off than we were 4 years ago???


HELL YES!

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Reply are you better off than you were four years ago? (Original post)
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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 09:56 PM

1. Actually, no. But that wont keep me from voting D. nt

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 09:58 PM

2. My son found work (not spectacular, but ok).. and he is still on my healthplan.

And my younger son can stay on my plan until HE'S 26 too.

Those are two big fucking deal things to me.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 09:59 PM

3. Ask me when I am four years old. n/t

 

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:00 PM

4. About the same, but my kids are doing much better at last.

Finally the younger generation is starting to get a toehold on the "American dream"--- I hope!

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:03 PM

5. No doubt about it

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:04 PM

6. And gas was $3.99/gallon.

I just took a look to see what we were on about four years ago.

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Response to Robb (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:13 PM

11. Skittles was still complaining about health care and buses.

Skittles (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-13-08 04:35 AM
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13. I would if we had national health care and better mass transit n/t

Big baby.


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Response to rug (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 11:00 PM

30. Spam deleted by ScreamingMeemie (MIR Team)

 

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:07 PM

7. I was ready to hide my money in the mattress.

With economy on the verge of complete failure there was real fear that banks would collapse. I'm a helluva lot less nervous today.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:09 PM

8. Personally no

We're still sweating bullets...but that individual experience is different from statistics. We also know why we are in this boat.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:10 PM

9. no, organized crime still runs this country....n/t

 

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Response to unkachuck (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 08:45 AM

58. +1

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:12 PM

10. ROTFL! n/t

 


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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:19 PM

12. personally no...but I am a zillion times happier unemployed with Obama than employed with idiot son!

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:19 PM

13. Oh, crap yes

I inherited my dad's stocks in 2006, saw them peak in 2007 and then crash in 2008. Four years later, I have not only what I inherited but an additional 20% on top of it.

So HELL yes, I'm better off. My friends are slowly starting to find jobs and the ones who own businesses are starting to see those businesses improve and are talking about being able to retire before they drop dead in harness.

The only way we're all worse off than before 2009 is in health insurance. Only about half of us are insured at work now, down >20% in the past 10 years. This is unacceptable and I hope we're able to give Obama a Congress that is willing to do something about it.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:19 PM

14. Yes I am.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:20 PM

15. No.

But then again, I didn't expect my President to change everything for me.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:29 PM

16. Yes.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:33 PM

17. Imagine if Dumb and Dumber had gotten themselves elected.

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Response to Swede (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:56 PM

26. That's old, and over played.

What is, is.

Let's focus on THAT for a while, shall we?

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:57 PM

27. Why forget history?

Recent history at that.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:37 PM

18. Yes, no question

I make a little more money and owe a little less, but mostly I've simplified and reduced expenses. Much of the town I live in could say the same - things aren't all bigger and better and increasingly fabulous, but what we do have is on sound footing and going in the right direction.

Personally, I am in much better mental and physical shape (deliberately) having gotten rid of a couple bad habits and taken up a couple of good habits.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:37 PM

19. Why yes!!

Yes I am.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:40 PM

20. No.

I've lost an average of $725 - $750 in monthly income over the past 4 years, my insurance premiums have doubled while benefits were drastically cut, and travel expenses have gone through the roof.

I am owed some serious beer and travel money.

But at least Bush isn't in the WH anymore, that's a huge plus.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:43 PM

21. yes, we are.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:48 PM

22. You have a mouse in your pocket?

 

Who is "we"? It certainly isn't me. I am far worse off than I was four years ago. My industry is decimated. Of the forty months that Obama has neen in office, I've worked in 16 of them. I'm now at nine months out of work with no prospects in sight. I've had to tap my retirment money three times just to survive. Under Bush I never missed any time at all and had my best year ever in 2006. But I recognize it is the residual effect of Bushco that has done this and I know that Romney would do nothing but make things worse. So, President Obama gets my vote but I'm not going to pretend I'm better off than I was because I'm not. Not even close.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 11:25 PM

34. +1000. n/t

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:50 PM

23. You ask two questions here: "are you" and "are we."

If you want to use the "are we" answers, don't ask "are you".

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:54 PM

24. Employed full-time and sad to say but no.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:55 PM

25. not me.

haven't had a real job in 4 years.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:58 PM

28. Much better off

I do suspect that my particular skill set and industry has made out better than most during this horrible time.

I am much better off than I was four years ago - my whole family is. But I know that some aren't. I think we need to hold course.


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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:59 PM

29. Technically no, as gross sales at my very small 35 yr old business

dropped 40% in 2009 but we someway managed to survive and we are having modest gains this year and have rebounded about 15% total since the free fall. I am cautiously optimistic. If Plutocrat-in-Chief Romney wins this fall my liquidation sale will begin Nov. 8. I do not have the stamina, determination or heart to go through this again.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 11:00 PM

31. No. I lost my job. No income. Cashed out retirement account to pay for surgery and health insurance.

The economy sucks for me. Sorry if I'm not joining in your enthusiasm.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 11:06 PM

32. Yes...

More importantly though. The vibe on the street is much better. But, that might be because I am back in Minnesota. Four years ago I was living in Tennessee. I know for a fact, I would not have been able to attend college if I had stayed there. I got a job and got my student loan out of default here, the job situation in Tennessee very likely wouldn't have allowed for that.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 11:23 PM

33. Objectively speaking - yes.

I believe that the country is as well - without that idiot alfred e newman son in office.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 11:30 PM

35. No

Despite the government's reassurances, everything is more expensive, and wages havent gone up at all.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 11:40 PM

36. I am. I retired in 2010 ...

 

Retired is better than working.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 11:47 PM

37. Yes - when I turn on the tv and the President is talking I get this:



instead of this



Seriously - I am better.... house prices have rebound where I live - just in time for me to sell my house.
I have an online business and things have picked up over the last few months.
And I do have some stocks - which is much, much better than it was 4 years ago.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:42 AM

38. No!

 

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 02:04 AM

39. Absolutely NOT

But it's much, much more a result of my own doing than for any political reasons.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 02:38 AM

40. I know this much...better off than if McCain/Palin had won. nuff sed.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 02:40 AM

41. same job same pay

higher prices on everything
i myself am not
ymmv

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 02:46 AM

42. About the same, unless Repukes kill Medicare and cut Social Security

BTW, it's better to be in a recovery phase than in a recession. However, what are we recovering TO? A "new normal" of 8% unemployment? Fuck that!

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 02:59 AM

43. I am, about to buy some land and build a house.

Have a bunch of savings.

I don't credit Obama though.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 03:41 AM

44. Yes and no, the top .1% are doing exceptionally well, the rest of us are awaiting the trickle.

But, as I never had faith in vodoo economics, I believe their largess will more likely result in the usual tinkle down piss than it will trickle down prosperity (things like cutting medicare and SS to pay for a lower top tax rate as per Simpson/Bowles).

Perhaps we can try traditional Democratic economic solutions soon and just admit that the chicago school of economics is only good at producing wealth disparity.

Have the New Democrats even heard of John Maynard Keynes? I know the Republicans hate him so at least they have heard of him.

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.
John Maynard Keynes

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 03:53 AM

45. um... fukishima disaster was three years away then.

Not sure what that truly means.....yet, but it is something to consider, (well I do at any rate).

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 05:54 AM

46. No.

My industry (meetings & conventions) was hammered by 9-11, then made a slow, steady recovery until the Great Recession. Then it evaporated. It's been recovering again, but the large events are few and far between.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 06:07 AM

47. The 1% is doing fantastic, everyone else not so much

 

I just worry about what will be left for those that come after me and how little there is for those currently with me.



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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 07:02 AM

48. Somewhat

Economically just about the same. My day job pays a little less, my business is doing a little better, my investments as still small but larger. Tuition is rising quickly, but that comes from my Repug Gov and Legislature. Fortunately my daughter is a senior and will be done before it get really bad.

I don't spend my days wondering what hideously stupid and harmful thing will come out of the Whitehouse next.

All in all, I would say it is a small plus personally, but a bigger plus for the country.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 07:23 AM

49. No.

Been unemployed since 2008, unable to pay student loans, quality of life has gone to shif. Still voting but just had to be honest

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 07:30 AM

50. My savings have grown

under Obama and before I was losing money under republican rule.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 07:43 AM

51. Relatively yes BUT there are all those other things we generally don't talk

about like the invasive laws that continue, or were added, expanded. Then the lack of action on so many things like breaking up the banks, going after really any of the people responsible for the bust, etc.

If you look at it just by your pocketbook most would probably say yes BUT there are a lot of people still suffering/recovering from what the downturn did to them. Be it having lost a job, been laid off, lost business, etc coming back for those that never lost a job is one thing and probably much easier than for someone coming back from losing a job who may have had to take a worse job if they even found employment.

In my mind the short answer is yes, but I know a lot of other things that are worse, much worse and have no sign they will change. From the money in politics to the hard right pull of the republican party and the lack of much, if any, of a fight from the democratic one.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 07:45 AM

52. No. Education has become a whipping boy

for the last four years, so being a teacher is becoming a trial, rather than a joy. Endless bowing and scraping at the alter of the standardized test and common core. We are reaping what we have sown. Stop enabling the Republican policies just so the Republicans become more extreme. It makes losing the next election more likely.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 07:59 AM

53. Yes, as a whole, we are much better off.

But there are still millions of individuals who are unemployed or underemployed and they are not doing better. However, given the situation 4 years ago its not surprising it is taking a long time to recover from the worst economic crisis since the great depression.

What many refuse to hear is that even if the economy appeared to be better under Bush, it was a bogus economy built on unrealistic housing values and an out-of-control massive real-estate investments ponzi scheme. That is not something to aspire to. The challenge is to build on economy on something that is sustainable. Another bubble is not the answer.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 08:06 AM

54. Not only no but HELL NO!

Household income has decreased 75%. You mean my 0.401K? I haven't had a real job since 2002.

I'm still voting Democratic but I'm not a happy camper about some of the current administration's policies.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 08:27 AM

55. No- I am much worse off then I was 4 years ago

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 08:31 AM

56. No. My Tea Party governor is pushing me out of my job

State employees have been decimated across the country. In my office they see it's the republicans who at fault, and I assume that's true elsewhere.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 08:45 AM

57. No better, but mercifully, no worse n/t

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 08:59 AM

59. NO, but I blame George Bush, the Republicans, and some weak ass Democrats.

President Obama does deserve some of the blame, but certainly not most of it.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 09:13 AM

60. Simply this response

 

From 2000 to this present date, Bush and the full republican party screwed this country up but good. Taking a surplus and turning it into the biggest deficeit in history. Two wars...9/11..gas prices ....job lost...deceit and ignorance from the repugs. Then comes a new President...perfect NO...compassion YES...regular..YES. This President has done more for the people.. no all people in this country than any other in the history of the USA. Blame him for some things but don't blame him for the things Bush and the rethugs has created from 2000 to this date. YOU CAN'T MOVE A BOULDER WITHOUT HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to A wise Man (Reply #60)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:27 PM

75. but stopping a boulder calls for extraordinary measures

we have some top economists who stated that recovery money needed to be more. Most of us are now working for peanuts, compared to the jobs we once had. But, little boots labor team attempted to fudge his numbers. Remember when they wanted to make burger flippers count as manufacturing jobs? Which reminds me when little boots was talking at a labor meeting and said something like "if we do this we will surely fail err, I mean succeed." Did he really mess up his words or was it his intention? Well, he gave his friends that obscene tax break, just so most could take the money and run. Anyone who still thinks giving the wealthy more money creates jobs, is delusional. Well, yeah, it may create more jobs in other countries.

I was hoping for FDR, not more reagan. But, I do know who caused this massive FUBAR; and now we know that the repugs had a nice little meeting after Obama was ELECTED and talked about making sure he got very little passed. That's how much the repugs actually CARE about the american people. They think if they hurt us, we'll just vote them back in, the ones who created this mess, to apparently finish us off.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 09:18 AM

61. I have grandchildren so not having a rapture ready Republican in the WH is a vast improvement

Not even a close call.

Don

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 09:45 AM

62. Yes

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 09:46 AM

63. No, the same economically, and worse as far as my civil rights go eom

n/t

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 10:06 AM

64. Absolutely not.

 

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 10:23 AM

65. Not economically, but in ever other way, yes

Now they usually mean economically. So I'm thinking Idiot Son is responsible and that it would be worse under any R. It would haven been better had we not let Congress go to the Rs in 2010.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 10:25 AM

66. I have a better job than I did four years ago, but one line in the OP gave me a major guffaw

 

America was loathed throughout the rest of the world. It is respected now.



Not that I really give a fuck about it, but here is some actual data.

http://www.pewglobal.org/database/?indicator=1&survey=8&response=Favorable&mode=chart

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:04 PM

67. No. n/t

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:35 PM

68. No, definitely not

I'm sure it matters so much for some people that the market is up that much.

I also think there are too many jobs that are permanently gone, and too many people who aren't reflected in the unemployment numbers but should be.

I'm also not so sure I agree about the opinion of America itself throughout the world. I think Obama is more liked than Bush was, and there was an immediate uptick in opinion polls because of that. Maybe that's what you meant.

Edited to add: All that I said wouldn't change my vote, by I guess I'm not as optimistic as you.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:36 PM

69. Much better I have

finished paying off my house. I am finally debt free. Things have gone up a little in price but my job has kept pace. He's getting my vote.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:40 PM

70. Yes - and I realize how fortunate I am. nt

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:42 PM

71. 3 years ago - yes

I guess it's good to have blocked the lunacy with Republican policy and corporatism for a 3 year breather.

WINNING!
:roll eyes:

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:02 PM

72. It's getting better for us

I just got a raise and promotion. And my husband just got a new job.

Life is getting better.

Under the Repukes it will get worse.

I know what life was like under them. This is better. Thank you very much!

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:06 PM

73. As a State of Wisconsin employee, that would be a very big "NO"...

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:14 PM

74. I personally am not

but I blame the fact that Republicans control this state.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:31 PM

76. I'm not

I've been losing ground for 4 years. Raises are only given about once every 18 months, and they aren't equal to the increase in cost of living. My 401k hasn't gone up in value at all - it's been flat for a long time. And there are 20 applicants showing up for every 1 job at my company. My company sucks to work for and the jobs are minimum wage. College graduates are applying for these jobs.

I'm glad you're doing ok though.

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Response to varelse (Reply #76)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:50 PM

78. The last sentence here unwittingly reveals the problem

Not only is it at the end of yet another entirely individually-based negative answer (almost all negative answers related individual tales; most positive ones had a broader mostly national aggregate view) but it assumed an individually positive slant on the OP's part when the OP offered absolutely no individual data at all.

It seems to be the normal MO for DU doomers to not only believe that individual stories can refute aggregate data, but to assume any view on aggregate data that, as it must to show sane understanding, reflects a positive direction in this time period, also necessarily indicates a positive individual story.

I make $8k a year less than I did 4 years ago. My retirement funds are much improved however, and I have better employment options should my current job disappear. I live in a smaller house but have more equity. That's a pretty much about the same" for me personally, but I personally am a couple hundred millionth of the answer, and I realize that.

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Response to dmallind (Reply #78)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 03:38 PM

79. Most of the people I know personally are also worse off than 4 years ago

Many of them are struggling to pay off student loans, while working jobs that pay about as well as an entry level retail/service job.

A smaller number have unaddressed health problems because they cannot afford to use the health insurance our company subsidizes, or they can't afford to have it at all.

I think my parents are about in the same (socio-economic) condition they were 4 years ago, but nearly everyone else I know is worse off.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:36 PM

77. Hell, no.

Four years ago, I was working a full-time job and also collecting social security. I wanted to keep working to get more money into my 401K. But in 2010, I was laid off my job. Now, I am forced to live on social security alone. I have some savings, but that money is going to have to last me the rest of my life. No one is going to hire me now that I am 73 years old, so I am not even looking. And I sure as hell do not want to work as a WalMart greeter.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 03:59 PM

80. Kagan and Soltamayer werent on the supreme court yet.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 04:03 PM

81. No. Laid off from job I had for 20+ years. Spouse laid off. Son laid off.

I found part-time work at 50% of the wage I was making and about 60% of the hours. Am now working nights and weekends and I'm no spring-chicken so its been rather difficult, physically and mentally. Spouse hasn't really found replacement work, gets in odd-jobs once in a while. Son finally found decent paying job but its temporary.

We're hanging in there but retirement plans now shot all to hell. Will have to work until I drop.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 04:07 PM

82. Nnnnnope.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 05:08 PM

83. No

But I don't blame the President for it, we were rolling downhill starting in late '05 and it's just kept getting worse from there.

I sincerely hope that the President gets a friendlier congress in his 2nd term. Common working people are under a viscous assault and it has got to stop. Soon

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 05:34 PM

84. No. nt

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 05:38 PM

85. Hells yeah.

By a lot.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 05:59 PM

86. An emphatic No, and its weird how you ask the question

 

in a personal way and then seem to answer it for everyone with a yes.

Does that mean everyone who answered no in the thread (quite a few!) is being an unpatriotic Dem?

Regarding your points, um, you know unemployment is still high, right? And that people who have been unemployed for a long time aren't even counted in the statistics any longer, so the real unemployment number is much higher too.

Yes, its good we are finally leaving Iraq, but Afghanistan is still a monumental mess, and many of us who are Democrats are very much against drones. We don't think sending in drones that often kill innocent people in other countries is a great idea. You know, it even could be called terrorism. Just because its "our" drones killing people doesn't mean it isn't, though. I understand why people (read: Americans) don't want to see it that way, because that would make then uncomfortable.

Yes, the stock market has done well, which benefits the rich most of all. The wealthy have gotten a lot richer under President Obama, so I expect they should be very grateful to him. He even extended their disgusting huge tax breaks that Bush first did, remember?

Yes, Obama does get credit regarding the auto industry, good for him.

America has gained back some respect, but it is not back up to the levels it once was. Our drone assassination program is looked at very unfavorably by many countries and by the U.N. as well.

I never was worried about Al queda in the first place. That is a fear mongering type of talking point, which gives credit to the republicans brainwashing Americans into always being in a state of being scared of terrorists under their bed and in the closets.

Also, Obama has gone along with increasing the police state-ism started by Bush, I didn't like slowly but surely turning our society into a total surveillance society under Bush, so I'm not going to like it under Obama. This is one of my biggest problems with Obama, as someone who believes civil liberties and freedom should be one of the foundations of our democracy. The government has no business spying on people using drones flying around the United States in a big brother type atmosphere.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #86)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 06:56 PM

89. +1

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Response to quinnox (Reply #86)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:20 PM

91. +1

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 06:22 PM

87. Four years? No. Three and a half years ago? Yes.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 06:27 PM

88. No, but that's Scott Walker's fault.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 08:09 PM

90. This thread is teaching me something about DU.

I think we're mostly older folk. The young people are better off, but don't know what might have been, so, what's better off to them.

The older folks who lost their jobs and are now older in a shrunken young-loving work force. Jobs increase but the Fed is trying to hold it back, as our aged folks get older.

It's troubling and trouble-making.

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