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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 08:33 PM Feb 2015

Bernie Sanders steps up: I am not Hillary, ‘trust me’

HARRISBURG, Penn. – Organizers with Keystone Progress invited Hillary Clinton, Martin O’Malley, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders to speak at the annual conference here this weekend. Sanders showed up.

The Independent senator from Vermont is actively considering a presidential run in 2016, and hopes to tap into progressive grassroots networks like this one for a potential underdog challenge to all-but-declared Democratic frontrunner Clinton.

The desire for an alternative to Clinton was clear among the 800 rank-and-file activists, labor organizers, and local elected officials here. But he’s stuck between Clinton on one hand and Warren on the other, who so far tops many progressives’ fantasy draft presidential ticket.

“Hillary Clinton doesn’t come up in our conversations as being a progressive,” said Franklin Country Democratic Party Chair Sheri Morgan, who was manning the Progressive Democrats of America booth offering “Run, Bernie, Run” swag.

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Bernie Sanders steps up: I am not Hillary, ‘trust me’ (Original Post) n2doc Feb 2015 OP
I'll have to look her up! Thanks haikugal Feb 2015 #1
Bernie is trustworthy. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #2
+1000 n/t MissDeeds Feb 2015 #6
Oh, Hillary is trustworthy, all right. CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2015 #36
K&R for Bernie Sanders. woo me with science Feb 2015 #3
+10000 Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #45
Should be a top post here Ramses Feb 2015 #4
A heart for the toon posts. TheBlackAdder Feb 2015 #5
I think it will take a power failure for him to win. Downwinder Feb 2015 #7
I trust you, Bernie... you are NOT Hillary. nt antigop Feb 2015 #8
Bernie would have to be more popular than SmittynMo Feb 2015 #9
For as many Democrats that would support Hillary INdemo Feb 2015 #13
The only way he'll win is for SmittynMo Feb 2015 #16
Never underestimate Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #21
And on the flip side, never underestimate the power of the people when they sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #32
The "win" is that if he's in the running he will change the conversation and pull Dems leftward, cui bono Feb 2015 #38
I trust Bernie. 840high Feb 2015 #10
K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #11
Bernie Will Win watoos Feb 2015 #12
Got that right. Just watch, Bernie will catch fire & leave Hilliary in the dust (dust bin of history that is). InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #27
He's extremely likeable... people just don't know him yet. fbc Feb 2015 #34
kick for the truth Ramses Feb 2015 #14
K&R ReRe Feb 2015 #15
I'm guessing he will run on the democratic ticket. SmittynMo Feb 2015 #18
Thought Bernie already said he would. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #28
If he runs, of course he will run as a... ReRe Feb 2015 #31
PLUS ONE, a whole bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #25
Oh yes I trust Bernie Autumn Feb 2015 #17
Me too BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #19
k&r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #20
Sanders is who Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #22
Hillary was on the Board of Directors of WalMart 1986-1992. She was also a Goldwater Girl. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #23
And Liz Warren was a Republican up into the 1990s... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #30
It isn't when someone began to see the light, it's always a good thing when they do. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #33
But Warren also supports Hillary... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #37
She supports her party, that is expected of her. Being polite about Hillary doesn't mean sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #40
Voting against a ban on the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas Mnpaul Feb 2015 #44
K&R Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #24
Yay, Bernie! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #26
He's not and I do. K and R n/t Smarmie Doofus Feb 2015 #29
He should declare now, or ASAP fbc Feb 2015 #35
Excellent humbled_opinion Feb 2015 #39
Unlike Hillary, he's unelectable ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2015 #41
People said that about a black candidate in 2008. n./t n2doc Feb 2015 #42
K&R Thespian2 Feb 2015 #43
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #46
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #47

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,588 posts)
36. Oh, Hillary is trustworthy, all right.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:44 PM
Feb 2015

I trust her to support ideas and issues that support the one percent.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
3. K&R for Bernie Sanders.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 09:04 PM
Feb 2015


This nation cannot afford, cannot survive, any more predatory corporatists in Democrat costumes.

TheBlackAdder

(28,183 posts)
5. A heart for the toon posts.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 09:54 PM
Feb 2015

Perhaps you can post them in Topics-Offbeat-Humor since they won't give you a toon topic.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
9. Bernie would have to be more popular than
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 10:17 PM
Feb 2015

Ross Perot to win. I fully support everything this guy stands for. But for him to win, he would have to have some major air time, to get his word out the the public. That would take a sh*t pot of money. Personally he'd get my vote over Hilliary.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
13. For as many Democrats that would support Hillary
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:24 PM
Feb 2015

there will be (numbers of Democrats?) that will not because she is too much like a Republican. A Republican lite.
If Hillary wins the nomination we will be disadvantaged because a Republican will win the White House. But wait there are many other
qualified Democrats that could attract the liberal voters and defeat Hillary for the nomination.
Bernie would have my support but it would take deep pockets from the middle class Democrats. Hillary will have a big advantage over all Democrat challengers though because she will have Wall St funding

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
16. The only way he'll win is for
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:58 PM
Feb 2015

Hilliary not to run. I personally wish she would not run. I think we've had enough of the Clintons and Bush's. As for the GOP, there is NO ONE on the clown bus that could compete against either one.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
21. Never underestimate
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:47 AM
Feb 2015
As for the GOP, there is NO ONE on the clown bus that could compete against either one.


the ignorance and the apathy of the American voter. As we know all too well, this country is filled with people who not only don't know the meaning of the word "socialist", but they also don't know how government works and they take voting for granted.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
32. And on the flip side, never underestimate the power of the people when they
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:01 PM
Feb 2015

actually want something. Right now, I see little enthusiasm for the 2016 WH race. But if Bernie were on the ticket, I am certain it would motivate people as Obama did, also not well known nationally, in 2008.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
38. The "win" is that if he's in the running he will change the conversation and pull Dems leftward,
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 04:34 PM
Feb 2015

where they belong.

Hillary will continue the rightward move and the Dem Party leadership will simply be right instead of center-right as they are now.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
12. Bernie Will Win
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:23 PM
Feb 2015

This country is not right center, center, it is left center.
The biggest hurdle for Bernie will be the M$M, but we control the vote.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
27. Got that right. Just watch, Bernie will catch fire & leave Hilliary in the dust (dust bin of history that is).
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:37 AM
Feb 2015

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
15. K&R
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:45 PM
Feb 2015

I know Republicans who would vote for Bernie, because he stands up with conviction on the side of the American people. We need REAL Democrats to primary HRC. Bernie may call himself and Independent, but we all know he's way far more of a Democrat than HRC. The Democratic Party MUST be wrested out of the hands of the Corporatists, once and for all.

Go Bernie!

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
18. I'm guessing he will run on the democratic ticket.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:00 AM
Feb 2015

I'd really like to see Warren team up with him. That would be an unbeatable combo.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
31. If he runs, of course he will run as a...
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 10:39 AM
Feb 2015

... Democrat. Yes, Hillary is a formidable opponent, but if both Bernie and Elizabeth ran (along with other Democrats), they would debate her out of the house.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
19. Me too
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:25 AM
Feb 2015

He has proven himself over and over. I don't trust the MSM or the American electorate however...

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
22. Sanders is who
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:49 AM
Feb 2015

MoveOn.org should've been donating to, not Warren. At least there is the possibility of him running in 2016, and he might even be further to the left overall than Warren.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
23. Hillary was on the Board of Directors of WalMart 1986-1992. She was also a Goldwater Girl.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 08:20 AM
Feb 2015

We know that she's a Corporatist, and that she ran to Obama's right in 2008.

Hillary is nothing we want, and nothing we need...

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
30. And Liz Warren was a Republican up into the 1990s...
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:39 AM
Feb 2015

What's your point? Trying to smear Hillary for being a "Goldwater Girl" before she was able to vote while giving others a pass is dishonest.

I should note that I like Liz Warren, and she has more than made up for her past.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
33. It isn't when someone began to see the light, it's always a good thing when they do.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:06 PM
Feb 2015

What matters is how the light changes their views on some pretty important issues.

Warren represents the people on major issues, such as the corruption on Wall St, the unprecedented power they have over this country's government and is not shy about speaking her mind AND doing something about it. Same thing on other major issues, such as the attacks on SS eg.

Hillary otoh, still supports Corporate America, is supported BY them, and doesn't appear to see how much damage they have done to this country.

So a better way to criticize those who once were Republicans, is not to determine WHEN they changed parties, but WHY and how their views reflect that change today.

Until this country fixes the problem of corruption on Wall St, nothing else can be accomplished. The power they have, over Congress, the WH, the Media, our electoral system, the SC, makes it nearly impossible to get any representation for the people.

Warren passes that test. Hillary not so much.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
37. But Warren also supports Hillary...
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:20 PM
Feb 2015

So by your logic, Warren supports Corporate America.

On the issues, Hillary has always been a liberal Democrat. Her voting record proves it. Warren is to the left of her on some issues, and others not so much. Regardless, they're both FANTASTIC politicians, and whomever wins the Dem primary will have my support. As for who I'm going to support in the Dem primary? No one is officially running at this point, so I don't have any reason to smear potential Democratic candidates. I didn't support Hillary in '08, I was behind Kucinich. Of course, I'm in FL so my primary vote didn't even count in the end.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
40. She supports her party, that is expected of her. Being polite about Hillary doesn't mean
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 07:02 PM
Feb 2015

she supports her on some of the most important issues facing the country today. But she has made references to those differences in subtle ways.

Hillary is liberal on the same three issues that are a requirement in order to be a Democrat. However, anyone who supports Wall St and War, does not really support women and minorities. It simply means they don't understand how those issues directly affect the people who will be required to make the actual sacrifices for generations to come.

I supported Kucinich also. He is way too far ahead of his time for this country at this point. We are in a very regressive phase of our history. He has vision, those in power are not interested in a better America, just what it can do for them.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
35. He should declare now, or ASAP
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:28 PM
Feb 2015

Even if Warren decides to run later, and Sanders doesn't want to compete with her, he can withdraw before the primaries and swing all his support to her.

But it would be good to start getting the progressive opposition to the DLC moving now in my opinion.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
39. Excellent
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 06:43 PM
Feb 2015

We definitely need voices Like Senator Sanders speaking for us. He is a man of true Principle that won't get snookered by the establishment Dems.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
41. Unlike Hillary, he's unelectable
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 07:18 PM
Feb 2015

...so yes, he's not like her at all. True enough.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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