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Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:01 PM

Three Words In The Bible That Some People Totally Ignore

Or maybe it’s just the meaning that they don’t get!


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Reply Three Words In The Bible That Some People Totally Ignore (Original post)
Playinghardball Apr 2012 OP
Speck Tater Apr 2012 #1
freshwest Apr 2012 #4
freshwest Apr 2012 #2
LineReply !
sakabatou Apr 2012 #3
jemsan Apr 2012 #5
Cleita Apr 2012 #6
fascisthunter Apr 2012 #7
tedbear Apr 2012 #8
mojowork_n Apr 2012 #20
jwirr Apr 2012 #22
Drsdman Apr 2012 #28
harmonicon Apr 2012 #36
Drsdman Apr 2012 #38
Drsdman Apr 2012 #39
flvegan Apr 2012 #44
hobbit709 Apr 2012 #9
ErikJ Apr 2012 #10
n2doc Apr 2012 #13
lonestarnot Apr 2012 #21
REP Apr 2012 #16
RufusTFirefly Apr 2012 #19
SwampG8r Apr 2012 #32
white_wolf Apr 2012 #33
SwampG8r Apr 2012 #35
spanone Apr 2012 #11
coldbeer Apr 2012 #12
Bohunk68 Apr 2012 #14
jwirr Apr 2012 #23
raouldukelives Apr 2012 #43
jwirr Apr 2012 #45
coldbeer Apr 2012 #51
AllenVanAllen Apr 2012 #15
REP Apr 2012 #17
AllenVanAllen Apr 2012 #18
AllyCat Apr 2012 #30
AllenVanAllen Apr 2012 #47
bhikkhu Apr 2012 #24
Whisp Apr 2012 #25
JAbuchan08 Apr 2012 #26
hifiguy Apr 2012 #27
AllyCat Apr 2012 #29
SwampG8r Apr 2012 #31
donheld Apr 2012 #34
Oromneya Apr 2012 #37
sulphurdunn Apr 2012 #40
aquart Apr 2012 #41
Namvet67 Apr 2012 #42
AlbertCat Apr 2012 #46
PatrynXX Apr 2012 #48
Brooklyn Dame Apr 2012 #49
Peacetrain Apr 2012 #50

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:22 PM

1. I WANT that shirt!

 

Oh, right, "Thou shalt not covet they neighbor's shirt."

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:25 PM

4. Maybe you can buy one? I'd like one, too. Got a link Playinghardball?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:22 PM

2. Sometimes you need to spell it out! Thanks, Playinghardball.


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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:25 PM

3. !

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:43 PM

6. Great message on that shirt! n/t

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:52 PM

7. The Left can do it.... so Why Can't the right?

Why do they hate America?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:54 PM

8. What confuses me is:

The idea of loving one's neighbor is a religious idea, and yet the Republican Party voters and those they vote for, will say they vote Republican because of "religious issues" and yet they vote for Republicans who have only one issue - that is to take from the poor to give to the rich.
Explain that, or better yet read the bible people and you will see in no uncertain terms that Jesus doesn't want you to take from the poor. Don't hold yourselves out as Christians talking about abortion and gays and every other issue you pretend to foster, when you are the exact opposite because that t-shirt has your number.

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Response to tedbear (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 09:16 PM

20. Tough question. Best short answer I can think of...

...is that the Gospel Message ("Love One Another") is also reflected in the core beliefs of
any number of other religions. From Confucius' Golden Rule (which sounds an awful lot like
the "Do on to Others" message in Christian teaching) to the respect for Others and the Earth
taught by 'primitive'/indigenous people, it would appear that there's at least a little bit of
consensus on the meaning of spiritual values, no matter where or from what religious tradition
different people are from.

But what also seems to show up, in looking at Christianity and other belief systems as well,
is that the basic message is often received differently, in sharply contrasting ways. Some
people are able to accept that "it's not all about you," that the real meaning or purpose of
life is bigger than the recipient. Other folks are more afraid, more angry or full of themselves
or whatever, so they tend to confuse their own personal outcomes with the fundamental
meaning.

For whatever it's worth, that contrasting world view also seems to be echoed in political
life. Hard line Republicans (I'm talking about today's Republicans, not the leaders who once
helped define that party, like Eisenhower or Dirksen or Percy) now emphasize "You're on
your Own" when it comes to critical decision-making, and Democrats prefer to consider
"we're all in this together" when the answer to the question is really important.

As a professing Christian, myself (I'm Eastern Orthodox, and have to admit that I honestly
value weekly get-together's with some of my most valued personal friends, on a regular
basis) it bothers me that that's the way things go, established-religion-wise.

But what are you going to do?

Decide if fear, isolation and anxiety are going to rule your life, or maybe there's more to
it than that.

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Response to tedbear (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:17 PM

22. They are more centered on the Old Testament than the New Testament but even then they are

missing the point.

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Response to tedbear (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:22 AM

28. Be unconfused

It is not a religious idea. It is God's COMMANDMENT, the summary of all the others found in Exodus and Leviticus.

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Response to Drsdman (Reply #28)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 04:36 AM

36. Like not eating shellfish or coming into contact with menstruating women? nt.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #36)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 06:43 AM

38. If you choose overcoming sin using the old law

I assume you are trying to point out contradictions. If you choose overcoming sin by using the old law, then do it all, including all the animal sacrifices. But that was presented that method first, before the new law (described in the volumes we call the Old and New Testament), in order to show us, by experience, just how impossible it is for stay "right" with God.

The new law overrides the old for those of us who CHOOSE to believe in God, and His book to us.

I am NOT trying to start a discussion or argument about religion, and won't use this forum to discuss it or my beliefs, other than to let you know that I know the RELIGIOUS RIGHT is being run by a bunch of non-believing hucksters and arrogant hypocrites who are in love of power and money (not necessarily in that order), and who prey on the intellectually weak. They will get what they deserve someday.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #36)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 07:02 AM

39. Not all Christians are Republicans

Nor are they really Christians. The church is full of people who are there for self-serving reasons. But by invoking God's name in order to attempt to elevate themselves by association, these people are using God's name in vain, and will be punished.

The Republican party teemed up with the imMoral Minority in the late 70's and infected Christianity with scums who use God as a stepping stone to power and wealth by tricking others who are also power-hungry, or who can't think for themselves.

I saw a study a couple years ago that concluded the American public, in general (including atheists), felt Christians were sincere and trustworthy. Something like 82%.

Now that the church, at all levels is contaminated by politicians, the number was around 40%, with liberals checking checking in below 20%.

That just about completely describes how bad the blowback is to the sincere Christians. Many of us have become disenfranchised with the "Church".

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Response to tedbear (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 11:27 AM

44. Regardless if Gandhi said it or not,

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. The materialism of affluent Christian countries appears to contradict the claims of Jesus Christ that says it's not possible to worship both Mammon and God at the same time."

It rings far too true. Not all Christians, mind you. There are a great number of Christians who do their best to live up to the positive teachings of Christ. It's far too untypical though.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:58 PM

9. Similar picture

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 07:17 PM

10. What about Thy Teabagger Neighbor?

who has an eight foot wire fence with barb wire, vicious guard dogs, "Shoot on site" No trespassing signs and the American flag flying high above?

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 08:08 PM

13. Yes

It is a hard message to follow, sometimes. That's why it is so routinely ignored.

Also
Love Thy Nazi Neighbor
Love Thy KKK Neighbor
Love Thy Wife- and -dog-beating Neighbor

But it doesn't mean accept what they do as good or right. It doesn't mean ignore their crimes.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:08 PM

21. with the rich and having done nothing all their life, wealth plundering, firing people, company

smashing for profit therefore job smashing, war start'n on lies,kill a whale for caviar eat'n, slob, coast killing for oil profit, no osama bin ladin kill'n, climate change denyin' neighbors? I think I could be going to hell.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 08:27 PM

16. One of my favorite commentaries regarding "love thy enemies"

"Jesus's teaching has nothing to do with miracles. If his mission had been simply to demonstrate a new method of restoring lost eyesight, the miracle of curing the blind would have been entirely relevant. But to say "You should love your enemies; and to convince you of this I will now proceed to cure this gentleman of cataract" would have been, to a man of Jesus's intelligence, the proposition of an idiot." - Androcles and the Lion, Preface; George Bernard Shaw

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 08:50 PM

19. Yes. Absolutely.

If it were easy, the message would be unnecessary.

Same goes for the First Amendment, actually. It's easy to protect the rights of those you agree with and to love those who are your friends. But what demonstrates our potential to actually rise above our primitive nature is to protect the rights of those whose ideas we abhor and to love those who are our enemies.

(I say all this as a card-carrying atheist. I don't believe the Jesus myth, but I'm a big, big fan of the guy's ideas.)

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:34 AM

32. the man is so much better than the god

worst thing they did to jesus was to make him divine

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Response to SwampG8r (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:41 AM

33. I recently read a book by Charles Templeton...

who used to be very big in the Evangelical movement in the U.S. and Canada. He was also a very good friend with Billy Graham. Anyway his book is called "Farewell to God: My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith." Anyway in the books he says that one of the worst things the Church did was to turn Jesus the man into a god, because it actually robs his message of its power.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:57 AM

35. i so agree

jesus message is whatever happens to you happens to me
whatever you do to another you do to me
and to steal the final proof of it
his kangaroo trials and the charges made
his gruesome murder for political gain
all is lessened by divinity
ascending him to heaven was wrong
the message was "dont make earth suck"

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 07:20 PM

11. k&r...

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 08:05 PM

12. Love thy neighbor?

Tells you to hate the people who are not your neighbor?
There are always loopholes.

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Response to coldbeer (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 08:16 PM

14. But scripture

then goes on to say just who is your neighbor. Google it. There is no loophole to that writing.

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:21 PM

23. Scripture even goes on to tell you that it is easy to love your friends - real love is when you find

it in your heart to love your enemies. One very hard challenge.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 11:09 AM

43. Indeed. Loving your neighbor could be a cake walk

compared to loving Sean Hannity.

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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #43)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:42 PM

45. LOL That is what I was thinking - rethugs.

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 06:43 PM

51. I googled, but did not learn anything

In "Jubilee 07:20" Noah teaches each one to love his neighbor. This
is before the Flood. (Therefor we neighbors are family) In
Jubilee 01:25 God teaches "And I shall love them." (This can imply
that love means "command")

Love your neighbor becomes command your neighbor. Since we are
one "enemy" becomes family. When it comes to Scripture there are
always loopholes.

Why else would a Christian nation destroy Babylon?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 08:24 PM

15. This passage is forgotten as well.




Matthew 5:43-48

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

I'm not a christian but love and kindness for my fellow man is very important to me.

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Response to AllenVanAllen (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 08:31 PM

17. King James Version is better

Probably not any more accurate, but much more pleasing to the ear:


 43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

 45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

 46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

 47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

 48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

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Response to REP (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 08:35 PM

18. Indeed REP



I remember that teaching was so profound to me the first time I read it. "Love thy enemy" Wow...
Easy to understand but hard to do.

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Response to AllenVanAllen (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:27 AM

30. Wow. That has so much meaning. And I am not Christian (or religious). Thank you!

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 02:03 PM

47. You are most welcome, AllyCat.

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The way I see it, because this world is so full of cruelty, hatred and apathy, is exactly the reason we need to be more kind to each other. You know, don't add to the negativity. Be the change you want to see in the world.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:25 PM

24. I've no use for religion, but I'd wear that shirt! n/t

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:29 PM

25. I guess love thy woman neighbour would mean

shagging her

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 11:54 PM

26. Got it, first guess n/t

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:14 AM

27. All of the religulous reichwingers never seem to have read

the Sermon on the Mount. Even this atheist has read that much. One of the few good bits in the bible.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:25 AM

29. I covet that shirt. How to get?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:31 AM

31. christ taught

you must love your neighbor to love god
if you cannot love your neighbor who is seen and known to you
how may you love god who is hidden and unknown?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:53 AM

34. We are fighting hard to keep the first one from becoming a crime

here in Denver, the city council is to vote on that issue in just a couple of weeks.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 06:21 AM

37. In my 50+ years of walking this earth

 

I have met , interacted and lived with people of all different cultures, religions and those without religion and the one thing they all had in common is that they acted more Christian then every single “Christian” I have even met.

The problem with Christianity is Christians.


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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 08:45 AM

40. Love Thy Neighbor

is the prelude to The Parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37). Which is ironic considering to whom that parable was delivered and the sign in the corner of the photograph.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 09:18 AM

41. Nice. Exactly where in the bible can I find it?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 10:43 AM

42. I think it was Mark Twain (my hero) who said..........."If Christ came back today.......

the one thing he would not be is a christian"

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:26 PM

46. Three Words In The Bible That Some People Totally Ignore

Well with all the thousands of words in the Bible everyone SHOULD ignore... wadda you expect?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 03:02 PM

48. good shirt...

Love Thy Neighbor. Which is a good indication of how much sinning the Republicans are doing. Spitting on thy neighbor isn't going to work. Hitting thy neighbor with a concussion grenade not good either.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 05:27 PM

49. People pay attention to the messengers more than the message...

...and if the messenger is some flashy preacher, all the better.

*Yuck*

http://borderlessnewsandviews.com/2012/04/god-inc/

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 06:08 PM

50. Its the true message of GOD found in nearly all religions..

much to the chagrin of the believers and those who hate the believers..no matter who they are and what religion they keep to be part of their community. So many turn a blind eye while claiming to be a believer.. which of course means that you cannot be a true believer and then deny the foundation of your belief.



All things that you would want done for you, Do for others.. Matt. 7:12
Christianity

What is hateful to you, do not to your fellowman...Talmud: Shabbat 31a
Judaism

Hurt not others in ways that you would not find hurtful Udana-Varga 5,18
Buddhism

This is sum of duty, Do naught unto others, which would cause you pain if done to you.. Mahaebharata 5,1517
Brahmanism

Surely it is the maxim of loving kindness: Do not unto others that you would not have them do unto you
Analects 15,23
Confucianism

Regard your neighbors gains as your own gains and your neighbors loss as your own T'ai Shang Kan Yingp P'ien
Taoism

That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself
Dadistan-I-Dinik 94,5
Zoroastrianism

No one os your is a believer until he desires for his brother which he desires for himself. Sumnah
Islam

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