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Fri Apr 27, 2012, 03:28 PM

One Guy Totally Predicted What Today's Big Problem Would Be—94 Years Ago!

He nailed it!!


Found on Imm.io/MoveOn.org

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Reply One Guy Totally Predicted What Today's Big Problem Would Be—94 Years Ago! (Original post)
Playinghardball Apr 2012 OP
Fla Dem Apr 2012 #1
coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #2
TBF Apr 2012 #14
PDittie Apr 2012 #3
jtuck004 Apr 2012 #4
siligut Apr 2012 #5
freshwest Apr 2012 #6
tclambert Apr 2012 #17
freshwest Apr 2012 #20
Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #7
marshall gaines Apr 2012 #8
99th_Monkey Apr 2012 #9
Diclotican Apr 2012 #10
surrealAmerican Apr 2012 #11
truedelphi Apr 2012 #31
Clouseau2 Apr 2012 #12
TBF Apr 2012 #13
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #15
baldguy Apr 2012 #18
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #22
grahamhgreen Apr 2012 #16
Namvet67 Apr 2012 #19
tooeyeten Apr 2012 #21
WillyT Apr 2012 #23
FarCenter Apr 2012 #24
WillyT Apr 2012 #26
FarCenter Apr 2012 #27
WilliamPitt Apr 2012 #25
socialist_n_TN Apr 2012 #28
slackmaster Apr 2012 #29
Mendocino Apr 2012 #30

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 03:46 PM

1. Good find....also Eisenhower's military-industrial complex warning


"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist."

But we never listen or learn.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 03:51 PM

2. See also Honore de Balzac: "Behind every great

 

fortune lies a great crime"

From the French: "Le secret des grandes fortunes sans cause apparente est un crime oublié, parce qu'il a été proprement fait" (Literally, 'The secret to large fortunes with no discernible cause is some forgotten crime, because it was committed legally.")

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:05 PM

14. +1 nt

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 03:54 PM

3. What a socialist.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 04:05 PM

4. Thank you. K&R n/t

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 04:05 PM

5. Seems this has been happening since "money" was established. nt

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 04:26 PM

6. They also write the history books to control perception early on in life. When real life doesn't fit

The narrative, the media steps in to keep it going.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 06:56 AM

17. Anybody can write a history book. But publishing corporations will only print the ones they like.

Maybe e-books can change that. Otherwise the for-profit book publishing business model makes money an important element in the decision-making process. Which books appear in a book store is a money decision.

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Response to tclambert (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 11:21 AM

20. I should have been clearer. 'Early in life' is school. Referring to text books, such as here:

Last edited Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:01 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11241639

Fox media domination there and hate radio take up the slack brainwashing when the people leave school. It's half the reason they got away with this, the other half is political indoctrination in the schools, increasingly being privatized, corporate-run with corporate methodology and also religious ones. There are exceptions, teachers bringing progressive books for students to view, since the history is not going to be taught now. A teacher in Tucson got an award from a Zinn group for expanding cirriculum.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 05:13 PM

7. Yes he did. I don't think we can really understand how far we've fallen

 

because we are so terribly ignorant of our history.
K&R

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 05:21 PM

8. history

 

this is history. and told the truth

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 05:28 PM

9. Yah, but Debs was a Commie, so he must be ignored or suppressed

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:19 PM

10. Playinghardball

Playinghardball

Sad we haven't learning it yet - and made it so, that no one can rob others - and have the power to legalize it..

Diclotican

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:33 PM

11. It wasn't a prediction ...

... but a description of the then current conditions.


It's too bad so little has changed.

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Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 02:43 PM

31. Oh a great deal got changed -

From 1915 n we started to see the end of twelve hour work day, without paid holidays, health insurance benefits, retirement programs, end of child labor, et al.

All due to the tremendous amount of people who put their lives on the line. And the fact that BOTH political parties we have today legtitimized the workers. During the Haymarket Strike era - the Republican Party had huge newspaper ads in Chicago newspapers, demanding change for the working class. The Republcian Party was sort ot f the "Occupy" of the era.

Now since the Nineteen eighties, and especially with the Big Bank Reform acts that were brought about end of Clinton's Presidency, we no longer have Glass Steagal. Jobs are outsourced, with the "experts" saying that is just the way it has to be. Everything that was accomplished has been undone.

The One Big Money Party and its doctrine of Greed has brought about a return to the Dickinsonian conditions of the late 1880's.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 07:37 PM

12. Don't forget Dogbert

(paraphrasing)

"What's the best way to become rich?"

Dogbert: "Crime and inheritance are the most popular methods."

"Which one is better?"

Dogbert: "It's best to have your parents do the crime, and then inherit the money."

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:04 PM

13. Big K&R for this post - thank you!! nt

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:20 PM

15. Since Debs was talking of his present

Hardly a prediction.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 07:24 AM

18. That just means this shit has been going on for a long time.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:03 PM

22. Longer than the United States.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:38 PM

16. agree

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 10:40 AM

19. Debs is from my hometown.......isn't spoken of much around here

They're scared

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 11:22 AM

21. And the delivery device for the 1%?

SCOTUS

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:05 PM

23. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!



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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:08 PM

24. But what he said has been true since at least 1776

Just look at the founding fathers -- mostly propertied, influential men. Merchants, brewers, shipowners, plantation owners, and media barons (Franklin).

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:29 PM

26. I Hear What You're Saying... But For Them It Was On A Such A Smaller Level...

Mergers and acquisitions (abbreviated M&A) refers to the aspect of corporate strategy, corporate finance and management dealing with the buying, selling, dividing and combining of different companies and similar entities that can help an enterprise grow rapidly in its sector or location of origin, or a new field or new location, without creating a subsidiary, other child entity or using a joint venture. The distinction between a "merger" and an "acquisition" has become increasingly blurred in various respects (particularly in terms of the ultimate economic outcome), although it has not completely disappeared in all situations.


<And...>

The Great Merger Movement: 1895-1905

The Great Merger Movement was a predominantly U.S. business phenomenon that happened from 1895 to 1905. During this time, small firms with little market share consolidated with similar firms to form large, powerful institutions that dominated their markets. It is estimated that more than 1,800 of these firms disappeared into consolidations, many of which acquired substantial shares of the markets in which they operated. The vehicle used were so-called trusts. In 1900 the value of firms acquired in mergers was 20% of GDP. In 1990 the value was only 3% and from 1998–2000 it was around 10–11% of GDP. Companies such as DuPont, US Steel, and General Electric that merged during the Great Merger Movement were able to keep their dominance in their respective sectors through 1929, and in some cases today, due to growing technological advances of their products, patents, and brand recognition by their customers. There were also other companies that held the greatest market share in 1905 but at the same time did not have the competitive advantages of the companies like DuPont and General Electric. These companies such as International Paper and American Chicle saw their market share decrease significantly by 1929 as smaller competitors joined forces with each other and provided much more competition. The companies that merged were mass producers of homogeneous goods that could exploit the efficiencies of large volume production. In addition, many of these mergers were capital-intensive. Due to high fixed costs, when demand fell, these newly-merged companies had an incentive to maintain output and reduce prices. However more often than not mergers were "quick mergers". These "quick mergers" involved mergers of companies with unrelated technology and different management. As a result, the efficiency gains associated with mergers were not present. The new and bigger company would actually face higher costs than competitors because of these technological and managerial differences. Thus, the mergers were not done to see large efficiency gains, they were in fact done because that was the trend at the time. Companies which had specific fine products, like fine writing paper, earned their profits on high margin rather than volume and took no part in Great Merger Movement.


Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mergers_and_acquisitions#History_of_M.26A

Add to that, Mass Media Marketing through Newspapers, Radio, TV, and now the Internet, and you have a whole new bigger monster.



Don't forget to check out this example: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002619831


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Response to WillyT (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:28 PM

27. On a smaller scale relative to population? Probably not.

The population of Boston in 1822 when it was chartered was about 46,226. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston

Being a prominent silversmith made you a pillar of the community.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:12 PM

25. Stealing.

Thank you.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:58 PM

28. Kick........

for a RWer Debs had some pretty good ideas. BTW, that was irony.

He's to the right of me, but my younger brother is a big fan.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 02:01 PM

29. I thought this would be about Thomas C. Mendenhall's empassioned arguments that the USA...

 

...should fully adopt and embrace the Metric System.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 02:26 PM

30. "When fascism comes to America

it will carrying a bible and wrapped in a flag"

Attributed to Sinclair Lewis, but it really isn't known who said it.

However it seems so very true today.

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