TSA to Require Secured Identification to Board Flights in 2016

[n2doc]

Security for flying in this country is tightening up. And your driver's license just may be your ticket to boarding airplanes in the future. Sometime in 2016, the TSA will require you to show a security enhanced driver's license called a Real ID card or a passport to board flights.

"It is a choice," said David Fierro, Public Information Officer for the Department of Motor Vehicles. "It's not mandatory. It's a choice for secured identification. If you use a passport when you're traveling you don't have any problems. If you use your driver's license as identification, you'll need to either apply for the Real ID card or get a passport."

The Real ID has a white star with a gold circle around it in the right top corner of the ID; the regular driver's licenses will be stamped with "Not for Federal Official Use."

"That has caught some people by surprise when they get their licenses in the mail," Fierro said.

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[hifiguy]

1. I always use my passport as ID when traveling

even within the US. It's one document that never gets questioned.

[KentuckyWoman]

3. I have a passport and resent it

I think needing ID that never gets questioned for traveling within my own country is a problem. I have a passport for the same reason as you though.

[hifiguy]

6. i didn't have one until 2003 when my editor asked

if I wanted to go on a free audio junket to France to visit some manufacturers. I pounced on that puppy pronto and France was wonderful! Just found out I am getting a free trip to Istanbul in April to visit a hi-fi manufacturer there.

[onecent]

14. Make sure you update your passport, they are only good for 10 years

Just an FYI in case you did not know.

[hifiguy]

16. Did that in 2013 when I went to China to

investigate a job opportunity that didn't pan out.

Curiously, it was far easier to get into China with a US passport - three person line, one minute wait, woman behind the counter looked at my visa, passport photo, me, and waved me through - than it was to get back into the US. That took three lines and nearly an hour in the Seattle airport.

[onecent]

25. I know the feeling. I travel to Manila one month

out of every year, because my 2 sons live there and I have grandchildren there. My God you would think I was a terrorist...especially in Tokyo. I ALWAYS get pulled out of the line and I will be 70 years old this year...LOL....

Gonna try to fly philippino air NON stop from the west coast this year. When I get to Manila I just flash a 20 american dollar and say get my bags and help me get thru customs...DONE DEAL.
LOL...THEN MY son has to rescue me from the others that have ears...and he does...lol

Figured you knew it...but Hate to see anyone get to the airport and be surprised.

[Ron Obvious]

29. The Seattle airport is the worst in the country when it comes to customs

I fly internationally a couple of times a year, and I always dread coming home to SeaTac. In the past I've flown via New York or other places just to avoid the place.

Most other countries are a piece of cake in comparison. You just show your passport and you walk with your suitcase through the "nothing to declare" gate and you're done. The customs official usually says good day and nothing more.

American airports (and Sea Tac specifically) make you feel like a criminal being processed for prison. I've heard from lots of my European relatives that they won't visit the US any more because of it. Hour long waits, forms to fill out on the plane, being interrogated and fingerprinted, iris scanned and a high chance of having your suitcase searched. It feels like you're entering a police state (and maybe you are). My brother-in-law was told to line up against the wall with his wife and they were patted down and sniffed by dogs on their last visit. I can't blame him for not wanting to come here any more.

[a la izquierda]

39. Dallas is nightmarish as well

[GP6971]

54. I also travel internationally in and out of Sea Tac

Other than long lines, I haven't experienced what you have, but know people that have. One thing going for me is that I know about my travel well in advance so I can book a seat up front after first and business class. Of course, it's a moot point if a number of international flights all arrive at the same time.

[BrotherIvan]

17. You will just love Istanbul

It is so beautiful and so exciting. The people are wonderful and the food is amazing. I had the best meal I've ever had in my life by the docks at a hole in the wall. Hoping to make it back there some day but am trying to visit places I haven't been first. Please share some pictures when you get back.

[hifiguy]

20. I think the reason I got the invitation

was that I met the owner of the company at a party at the Consumer Electronics Show a few years ago and we wound up discussing the Hagia Sophia. He was more than a little surprised that an American knew what it was and its historical significance. I've heard the food is fab from a friend who now lives in Turkey with her professor husband.

[BrotherIvan]

23. That is so cool

The Blue Mosque and Süleymaniye Mosque are just amazing too. But yes, the food was like a revelation (and I'm not shy about how much I like food). I did not know until we arrived that it is considered the third cuisine of the world because of the breadth of techniques and dishes created for the royal court. It is amazing and so sad that it is very difficult to find in the US. Have a wonderful trip.

[pangaia]

26. I would assume Chinese is the 'first Cuisine,"

What is the second?

[BrotherIvan]

40. I think it's rather Eurocentric and puts French first, then Chinese

Because of the breadth of different cooking techniques and variety of dishes. I am sure Indian food is in there somewhere for the same reason. It seems that most of the notable cuisines were developed for a powerful monarch or emperor with the obvious exception of the English. I was very surprised by how incredible the food was. I definitely just scratched the surface on my visit.

[pangaia]

43. I would put Chinese ahead of French, for what it is worth.

It is not uncommon for French chefs to visit China to learn how to REALLY cook. :&gt )

You know where my sympathies lie.

The exquisite variety of styles in Guangdong, Shanghai area, Shandong and Sichuan, etc. is just stunning..

And then there is....sushi... but, that's for another time.....

time for lunch....

Guangdong baby bok choi and mushrooms with garlic, la mien with Guilin chili sauce and....hummm.... something else...

[BrotherIvan]

44. I wouldn't disagree

I would love to learn how to cook the different styles of Chinese food. I bet your lunch was delicious!

[pangaia]

46. My ex-wife is Chinese.

We are still good friends.
lucky me...

Cooking basic 'Chinese,' it is not difficult to make delicious, healthy meals.
It is the next steps where it gets interesting..

bok choi and Chinese mushrooms-or shitake --'bok choi' is Cantonese. In Mandarin it is yóu cài.---

Get the SMALLEST ones you can find..

- clean and slice in half vertically OR seperate leaves.
- clean and slice mushies- less than 1/4" think
- thin sliced ginger and minced or sliced garlic

- WOK !!
-fire on HIGH
- heat a little peanut oil until just smokes
- add ginger and garlic- maybe 20 seconds tops-stir
- add veggies and a little salt
- cook..moving everything around-- not very long
- add just a little oyster sauce --not much-try to find good oyster sauce
- MAYBE add a smidgin of light soy

that's it... variations as you like..

never use KIKOMAN anything. :&gt ))

-amounts you can learn as you do it a few times...

.......................
Some pretty good easy to find 'prepared' sauces are made by LEE KUM KEE
- Guilin Chili Sauce
-Hoisin
-Sichuan Spicy Noodle sauce

and--Tuong Ot Toi Viet-Nam Chili Garlic Sauce

- Important basic ingredients
-scallion
-garlic
- ginger
- light soy
-dark soy
-sesame oil
- peanut oil
- rice vinegar
-Chinese cooking wine
- fresh chilies

What did I forget.

oh WOK..

USE very little soy.. My wife always complained I used too much soy sauce.

I've been to China and Taiwan a lot.. on business BUT really to EAT !!

[BrotherIvan]

47. Thanks for all the tips

Being in Los Angeles, I am surrounded by great markets that carry everything. I am also surrounded by great restaurants so I haven't learned to cook it myself as much as I would like. I have everything you list in my kitchen right now and will definitely try your recipe! I agree with your wife about too much soy taking away from the flavor sometimes and I do use light soy more often or just a little rice wine or vinegar.

I am working my way through dumplings right now because dim sum is one of my favorite things ever (my first favorite being sushi and all Japanese food). It's so time consuming though, I only make one or two at a time. I have read about the all night gigantic dim sum places in China and Taiwan and that just looks like so much fun. When I travel, eating is the top of my list. I think you learn quite a lot of history/culture that way as well. And then I can walk it off looking at the sights and museums. I am dying to visit China and also Korea. Have been to Japan more than a few times and some other countries in Asia. Growing up on the West Coast, I am partial to Asian food and love how easy it is to find. Now that we are moving to Europe, that is my worry, though I know it is improving.

Share more recipes whenever you feel like it. I love to cook because I want to make sure what I eat is very delicious.

[pangaia]

48. Dumplings OMG !!

Now you've gone and done it..

Jiaozi !!!!!!

First time was in Taichung in Taiwan on Decemberr 8, 1998. . restaurant served ONLY jiaozi and beer. 8 of us..need I say more.....

There is also really good jiaozi in Shanghai.. One place is supposed to be the best in the world... well.. I know right where it is but.. don't know how to explain...

With all my trips to China I have never been to Beijing..

So...GO for sure GO.. eat in big places, small places, street food..
Go to Chengdu for Sichuan.. it is not all hot...
Guilin for great noodles.... Qingdao for very simple fish.. ummm.....


Dim sum... !!!
Tan zao cha, or zao cha... or.. whatever..
Guangzhou !!! Big, Loud restaurants happy families EATING.

One way of greeting people, a rather old way, is "Have you eaten, yet?"

You are in LA.. you lucky dog, you...... My sister in in LB. There is a great Yunnan restaurant in Pasadena.. very different from most other styles.. but the real deal... some pretty good Chinese food in LA area, as you know. But,, I must qualify that... close, very close....

Sure, why cook if you can go out.... where I am.. near Rochester, NY blehhhhccckkkk cuisine armpit of the NorthEast.


god I can't stand it.
If you reply please do not mention food..

good luck in Europe.... you know, you can still fly from anywhere in Europe to China.... :&gt )

[BrotherIvan]

50. I am going to bookmark this for when I go to China

I also looked up Yunnan restaurants in Pasadena too, thanks for recommendation I will have to try them! I'm sure whatever I can get here is good, but not the real thing. I can't wait to try it all. There is so much to see and do in that country and so much history. I've been to India many times and the food there is mind blowing but you do have to be careful. Eat as spicy as you can stand, until you're sweating, and it helps to not get sick. That's ok, because I love spicy food.

And yes, you're making me so hungry!

[hifiguy]

63. Kikkoman will do in an emergency

but I have used Pearl River Bridge soy sauces for years. Koon Chun is also very good. Fortunately Minneapolis has a bunch of first rate Asian markets where quality sauces and condiments can be found very easily.

[hifiguy]

53. Though it's a smaller cuisine, relatively speaking,

Vietnamese food hits some Platonic ideal blending French finesse and Asian flavors. And the banh mi is the greatest sandwich ever invented just as pho is the best soup ever invented. About that there is no argument.

1. Chinese
2. French
3. Italian
4. Thai and Vietnamese

are my top cuisines, at least of those I have experienced and cooked myself.

[pangaia]

60. Can't argue that those are all great cuisines...

I love pho. We actually have a very good Cambodian restaurant nearby that makes super pho.

And then there is... sushi.... as I think I mentioned..
totally separate category...

You know, speaking of Chinese and French, the food in Tahiti can be out of this world-- various mixes of French, Chinese and Tahitian.. ooohhh....

What was the original OP? I forget...

[WinkyDink]

55. And no invite?! Thanks for just making me hungry! :-)

[pangaia]

59. Come on over at half time.

I whip up some la mien and yu choy with mushrooms and cashews.

[Xipe Totec]

7. Sorry, but a passport is not enough in Texas

I just had to get a Texas driver's licence and they require, besides the out-of-state driver's licence you're about to surrender, two forms of official identification in order to receive a valid Texas licence. Passport counted as only one. I had to present my social security card, for which I had to drive home to retrieve.

The Texas DPS website says otherwise; you only need a passport. But the local DPS offices make up their own rules.

[hifiguy]

9. Texas really is another world.

Never was in TX until last September. Saw the hotel, the place where the presentation/event was, a restaurant and Dallas Symphony Hall and that was it. Which was fine with me.

[Xipe Totec]

31. And South Texas is a whole 'nother Texas

South Texas used to be the Republic of the Rio Grande; a failed republic that lasted less than two years. Texas eventually incorporated part of it after the Mexican American war.

[mythology]

22. It took me 3 days to get my first driver's license in Texas

At least at the time, it was possible to get a small motorcycle license at 15. So we went down to the DMV, waited in line for hours, got to the front and was told that I couldn't. We asked to speak to the supervisor who again repeated that I couldn't even when we pointed to the relevant section in the law. He wandered off and spent a long time calling around trying to get somebody to say that I couldn't. He managed to waste enough time that I couldn't get a license that day.

The second day, we go through the same, he finally agrees that I can get the license, I get to the front of the line and some asshat calls in a bomb threat and the DMV gets shut down.

So I have to go back a third day, spend several hours waiting in line to finally get the license.

My mom loved having to take 3 days off to get my license.

[napi21]

52. You should try a different testing location.

Different people have different personalities. Some are just a PIA every day! Some others are actually human!

Here in Ga. I always advise people to go to oe of the more rural testing locations. My granddaughter went to one pretty far south of Atlanta and had no wait at all. My DIL did the same thing. Those near the larger cities and towns sometimes have a wait of a month just to get an appointment and HOURS on the day of the test.

[kestrel91316]

51. I have a passport card rather than the book and it certainly DOES get questioned.

Idiots still ask to see a driver's license. Mine is expired (since the car got stolen I don't bother) and they don't seem to care about that, lol. But that passport card ain't legit to them.

[hobbit709]

2. Another reason for me not to fly any more.

Pretty soon they will be asking for your papers everywhere you go-even walking to your mailbox at your house.

[Major Nikon]

8. It's too late for Texas

Only 7 states have yet to implement the new requirements, so if you have a Texas driver's license, you already have a biometric ID that meets the TSA requirements.

[rjsquirrel]

36. Alex Jones must love that

I remember him protesting DMVs and magnetic stripes on licenses 20 years ago.

[Major Nikon]

38. Wingnuts seem to have a love/hate relationship with them

The so-called civil libertarians are against them, but the anti-immigrant crowd seems to think they are a swell idea.

[Brickbat]

4. What does this solve?

[Gormy Cuss]

10. Nothing except the 'problem' of states not being in compliance with RealID. n/t

[Major Nikon]

12. Compliance with a knee jerk law signed by Shrub

...and voted in my the vast majority of Rs and Ds.

[jmowreader]

15. It solves the problem of them not selling enough passports

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Zeigen Sie mir Ihre Papiere

[kydo]

11. You know the irony of this is just mind blowing

Aren't these the same people that are against a national ID card? Yet they demand all peoples not white enough or with funny last names to show papers to vote, get a driver's ID, and now fly. They don't want a national ID system because they don't want to be stopped and told to show their papers, yet they aggressively want to demand it from people they deem not American looking enough or too dark. Crazy ain't it?

[RationalMan]

13. And so the Security State continues to evolve.....

I am not opposed to ensuring that individuals have a reliable method of ID to travel. But the noose continues to draw tight. In order to vote you have to show a state-created identification document or a U.S. passport.

We cannot allow the noose to tighten. I have no problem in ensuring people are who they are and we can validate them against security lists but this goes beyond the pale unless the CIA accepts the fact they are failures. They cannot keep us safe without extraordinary measures.

It is clear the FBI, NSA, etc. are FAILURES. They did not detect the Boston Marathon, etc. We are paying for nothing.

[NBachers]

19. Yes, but you know, all that terrism they thwarted, but they can't tell ya about it . . .

Time to cook up some more boilerplate terrorist plots committed by marginal dupes.

[magical thyme]

61. we're not paying for nothing

We're paying for the noose around our necks.

The 1% owns the government. The 99% are the terrorist threat.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Let me know when they're ready to issue me a 2048-bit RSA private key

that I can use to vote, sign communications, etc.

Till then, this shit is stupid and pathetic, and won't even help anything.

[truebrit71]

21. That's fucking stupid.

But then the entire song and dance routine is stupid to begin with... it's all about control and bugger all to do with "security"...

[tabbycat31]

24. no idea if my own license is compliant or not

And this is the first I heard of it (mine expires in 2017).

Sucks to be people like me who prioritize eating over having a passport. (The cost of a passport is my monthly grocery budget).

[workinclasszero]

27. So I need a passport to fly from Detroit to Cleveland?

Damn when are they gonna set up checkpoints to drive to the next town??

[liberal N proud]

28. I only use my passport at TSA

Less questions

[Daninmo]

30. bummer

"your papers please"

Reminds me of something out of a WWII movie in Nazi Germany.

[rjsquirrel]

37. Yeah or any customs and immigration checkpoint in the world

Let's not Godwin this all to pieces.

Fact is the phone in your pocket lets the government know where you are at all times.

[HeiressofBickworth]

32. At least Washington did something right

Washington was one of the first states to legislatively prohibit participation in REAL ID, with the June 13, 2007, passage of SB5087.
The bill blocked the state from participating in REAL ID until a long list of financial and privacy metrics were met by the federal government.

We do have an "enhanced drivers license" which is a hybrid drivers license/passport. Since Washington borders Canada, it makes it easier for frequent travelers. An enhanced license is not required, but is offered as an alternative to having a passport for travel to Canada. I don't have one because of potential ID theft. The enhanced license carries all passport info and can be "read" by criminals with the equipment to do so. I have a passport that I don't carry with me unless I plan to pass through the border.

Not sure how this will work for air travel in and out of Washington.

[Ykcutnek]

33. Not seeing the issue here.

The holdout states are hotbeds of Sovereign Citizen types.

Maybe it's a good thing they won't be allowed on a plane.

[Major Nikon]

34. Maine?

[Caretha]

62. WTF

explain yourself...or go move to a non free country...either way, PLEASE NEVER VOTE.

[Avalux]

35. Real ID. I got a shiver up my spine when I read those words.

Humanity is a speeding train towards the horrors of our science fiction making.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

41. Wonderful, maybe they can teach these TSA hicks what a Global Entry card looks like

since I don't have a US drivers license anymore and prefer not to travel with my passport domestically.

[Major Hogwash]

42. Idaho is one of those states that is NOT complying with the TSA's standards!

So, there!

[dickthegrouch]

45. Does the fancy new Green Card count?

There must be a hundred different security features on my new Green Card. If it's not good enough ID to fly with, I'm sunk .

[winter is coming]

49. More Security Theater. This won't make us safer.

It's just an excuse to get everyone's fingerprints on record. Are we citizens, or inmates?

[tblue37]

56. When? I have to fly to VA in late March and late April. All I have is my driver's license. Should I

be trying to get other ID?

[tammywammy]

57. 2016.

There's supposed to be a review later this year which will set the date for the roll out. No earlier than 2016.

[tblue37]

58. Oops. I read the OP date while putting on my glasses. I thought it said 2015. Thanks. nt