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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:53 PM Jan 2015

First Beheading Under New Saudi King Stirs Attention

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/saudi-arabia-carries-beheading-king-28492388

First Beheading Under New Saudi King Stirs Attention

Saudi Arabia on Monday executed a man convicted of raping several girls in a case that has captured the kingdom's attention and marks the first beheading carried out under the newly enthroned King Salman.

The Interior Ministry said Moussa al-Zahrani was executed in the city of Jiddah. The ministry statement, carried by the official Saudi Press Agency, said al-Zahrani was convicted of luring underage girls, intoxicating them, forcing them to watch pornographic videos and then physically and sexually assaulting them.

His alleged victims were children assaulted in 2011 in a string of attacks in Jiddah.

The case has caused a stir on social media — which is unusual in Saudi Arabia for cases of violent crimes — in part because al-Zahrani claimed his innocence throughout the trial and two later appeals.

Last year, al-Zahrani appealed in a 20-minute video for Saudi King Abdullah, who died on Friday, to intervene. In the widely-viewed video, the 45-year-old Arabic teacher claimed he was framed by police and that a man — a neighbor of 10 years — who accused him of molesting his daughter was also a police investigator in the case.

An Arabic hashtag on Twitter, "We are all Moussa al-Zahrani" garnered thousands of comments by Saudis with conflicting opinions over the case.

Al-Zahrani's relatives appeared on Saudi talk shows, saying the case was riddled with inconsistencies and that the judiciary did not weigh all the evidence. They claimed a medical report found the investigator's 10 year-old daughter had not been assaulted and that several cases of assault against young girls took place in Jiddah while al-Zahrani was already jailed.

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First Beheading Under New Saudi King Stirs Attention (Original Post) Karmadillo Jan 2015 OP
Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #1
yet Obama and his state department Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #2
I'm not expecting the US to declare war on capital punishment abroad. Orsino Jan 2015 #6
False equavalence. ........Yet Gitmo tortures are OK ON CUBAN SOIL? Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #8
What should we argue about? Orsino Jan 2015 #9
Obama's lack of consistent scolding Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #12
You're kidding yourself if you honestly think foreign policy is that simple YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #13
You're kdding yourself if you see no moral problems with this. Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #16
Foreign policy is not-and has never been-run on "morals" alone YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #19
the 'saudis' are a royal family........ not a nation Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #21
Well, that was my point. Orsino Jan 2015 #14
OK....... read your post wrong n/t Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #17
it was Indian citizens who wanted Obama to bring up rights JI7 Jan 2015 #25
Oh....he was just talking off the cuff Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #29
Didn't let any grass grow under his feet, did he? merrily Jan 2015 #3
Is the problem with the degree of punishment, the means of punishment, or the trial itself? oberliner Jan 2015 #4
My best guess would be that "due process" hifiguy Jan 2015 #27
The problem is a government that cedes the Ministries of Education and Justice to the religious clerics. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #5
Tyrants Octafish Jan 2015 #7
The unrest grows. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2015 #10
Meet the new head-chopper. Same as the old head-chopper. Iggo Jan 2015 #11
"convicted of raping several girls" Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #15
Convicted with evidence that proved he didn't do it is the claim. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #18
Just look at how their court system works... google is your friend Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #23
Yes, us Westerners need to bring Civilization (TM) to those 'barbaric nations" in that region YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #20
OH........the saudis who promote terrorism is your buddy now? Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #22
That's a caricature, obviously, but it's a caricature of a position that's basically right. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #26
When apartheid was going on I lost money by boycotting South Africa Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #24
Energy independence would certainly help oberliner Jan 2015 #28
They own part of the banking and media cartel Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #30

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
2. yet Obama and his state department
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 02:04 PM
Jan 2015

scold India and Cuba on civil rights......

Why dosen't he take this opportunity on the world stage to say somehting to
this evil kingdom for the world to see and hear?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
6. I'm not expecting the US to declare war on capital punishment abroad.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 02:49 PM
Jan 2015

Not convinced that beheading is much more terrible than what America does daily.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
8. False equavalence. ........Yet Gitmo tortures are OK ON CUBAN SOIL?
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:04 PM
Jan 2015

What about the rapes in america which is higher than India per capital?

The number of women voting in Saudi Arabia, none there is no voting, driving cars ...etc?

Your arguement is bullshit its not just about beheadings......and you know that with your weak rationalization.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
16. You're kdding yourself if you see no moral problems with this.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jan 2015

and choose these assholes as allies because Obama says so.


I know the saudis help run the world banking systems and our media.

give me the 28 pages.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
19. Foreign policy is not-and has never been-run on "morals" alone
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jan 2015

"The Saudis" are a monolithic group now? How conveniently simplistic and stereotypical. Maybe they think "the Americans" are a monolithic group, too!

As for "the 28 pages"...Graham is selling a book. He was the former Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee-you know, the one that among other things, helps stop terrorist attacks. Like 9/11.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
21. the 'saudis' are a royal family........ not a nation
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:32 PM
Jan 2015

so that' arguement is dead

graham is selling his book........... are you really using that right wing point young democrat who posts all day?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
14. Well, that was my point.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jan 2015

America loves executions and corrupt ideologies. If our president were suddenly to detour into condemning such things, it wouldn't be for a dead ally.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. Is the problem with the degree of punishment, the means of punishment, or the trial itself?
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jan 2015

Or perhaps all three?

It seems like the biggest issue here is that this person was convicted of the death penalty on what appears to be flimsy evidence.

Secondarily, the punishment might be considered too harsh for the crime (if guilty).

Lastly, it seems like a less than enlightened way to implement the death penalty.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
27. My best guess would be that "due process"
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 04:16 PM
Jan 2015

in SA is they tell you what you're charged with, promptly find you guilty and then execute you.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. The problem is a government that cedes the Ministries of Education and Justice to the religious clerics.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jan 2015

The other problems are all that ultra low cost production sweet oil, being an ally of Israel and a sworn enemy of Iran.

Paradoxes abound.

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
15. "convicted of raping several girls"
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:24 PM
Jan 2015


That's a step up from the barbaric nations in the region who stone women for getting raped.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
23. Just look at how their court system works... google is your friend
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jan 2015

Its a fucking kingdom........ I can't belive we have Saudi defenders now. And you are right

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
22. OH........the saudis who promote terrorism is your buddy now?
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:52 PM
Jan 2015

We don't need to bring civilzation to them....... they own part the corrupt system you defend

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
26. That's a caricature, obviously, but it's a caricature of a position that's basically right.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jan 2015

Those countries ought to put diplomatic, cultural and economic pressure on other countries to adopt liberal values on gay rights, women's rights, freedom of speech and religion, etc, that are often called "Western", and are currently more prevalent in the West than in the non-West (although by no means unique to it), but should actually be universal.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
28. Energy independence would certainly help
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jan 2015

Maybe that conversation can be re-opened. Though for most people, they are just happy to see cheap gas prices and don't want to do anything that may jeopardize that (and don't particularly care why it's happening).

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