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sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 09:36 PM Jan 2015

Everybody Matters

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.


President Barack Obama, State of the Union, January 20, 2015

Talk...meet walk.







More Here~ http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2015/01/everybody-matters.html
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Everybody Matters (Original Post) sheshe2 Jan 2015 OP
once again, great post sheshe! napkinz Jan 2015 #1
thanks napkinz. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #3
K & R, a great post. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #2
That little girl in the wheelchair mcar Jan 2015 #4
kick napkinz Jan 2015 #5
K & R! Iliyah Jan 2015 #6
for an opposing opinion here is Iowa's own Steve King rurallib Jan 2015 #7
Steve King napkinz Jan 2015 #8
+10000 sheshe2 Jan 2015 #9
a "deportable" ? treestar Jan 2015 #167
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #10
Thank you WillyT sheshe2 Jan 2015 #146
I've been thoroughly frustrated with some actions, inactions and decisions; but ultimately he's... rwsanders Jan 2015 #11
Yes, and it matters so much that we have President Obama who actually feels that way.. thank Cha Jan 2015 #12
I loved that part of his speech Cha! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #13
Yes again.. and to those who are saying it was "meaningless".. I say Cha Jan 2015 #16
I saw Amelia in the balcony with Michelle last night. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #17
A life lived with honor, and honor recieved. People who walk the high road... Beautiful. freshwest Jan 2015 #43
Well said, fresh~ Cha Jan 2015 #47
seeing Michelle Obama at the SOTU last night, and then here in this pic KMOD Jan 2015 #14
What about the doubling of homeless students? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #15
Talk is cheap. I agree. So..... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #18
1. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #20
Dayum! I knew of the satire Manny's KMOD Jan 2015 #24
Oh, Manny's pretty well had it with the rapacious Predator Class MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #29
Lol~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #126
They've redefined "homeless" so the districts get more money--that's what is happening here. MADem Jan 2015 #48
Are you claiming that "homelessness" was redefined MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #53
I am TELLING you that homelessness was first redefined by NCLB, and MADem Jan 2015 #58
Yet another attempt at an "adult conversation" goes down in flames Number23 Jan 2015 #63
Hah! MADem Jan 2015 #67
Thank you Number23! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #80
Whoop. There it is! bettyellen Jan 2015 #117
Thanks MADem. I think the hope was that no one would actually bother to read the link. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #76
These are very old, very lame arguments being dragged out, all they're doing is derailing. MADem Jan 2015 #85
"I feel sorry for people who are like that--imagine having to go through life looking for Cha Jan 2015 #86
Boom! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #128
Next to last paragraph is THE definition of a concern troll. Or just a plain troll. freshwest Jan 2015 #91
Agreed sheshe2 Jan 2015 #98
First sign of derailment or utter cluelessness, use this to alert those that their posts are: freshwest Jan 2015 #121
Pitch Perfect as always. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #123
Superb illustration!!!!!!!!! nt MADem Jan 2015 #124
Those values need to be discussed. The love they express resonate around the planet: freshwest Jan 2015 #130
Thank you freshwest~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #144
gathered from RW memes treestar Jan 2015 #172
Oh wow, thank you for that! treestar Jan 2015 #171
so get congress to pass a law that will help with that treestar Jan 2015 #169
2. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #21
3. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #22
I already knew this. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #25
3a. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #28
Poor thing.. desperately reaching for straws .. trying to bring others down to his level Cha Jan 2015 #31
As usual, a totally fact-free attack on the messenger MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #35
K~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #147
Lol!!! bravenak Jan 2015 #198
I'd love to hear a substantive response as well. /nt Marr Jan 2015 #45
Care to answer the OP Marr? sheshe2 Jan 2015 #129
There's no question in your OP. Again, a substantive response to the info that Manny Marr Jan 2015 #134
Actually Marr this is my Op. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #136
Why should you have responded? Marr Jan 2015 #151
What an arrogant post. Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #177
That was a very lame attempt at changing the subject. Marr Jan 2015 #178
Thank you MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #184
"I'm glad some other folks see things the same way I do." Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #185
On what specific issues do Boehner and I agree? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #186
THREAD. WINNER. Number23 Jan 2015 #190
You're very welcome. Marr Jan 2015 #187
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #179
Excellent reply Marr. Not everyone agrees that Obama's actions match his words Vattel Jan 2015 #181
Thank you. Marr Jan 2015 #182
This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Jan 2015 #204
Poor thing.. a "messenger" of ***.. Cha Jan 2015 #37
More fact-free hate from you MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #39
Love you Cha! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #145
Pay no mind. MADem Jan 2015 #50
Yes it does make DU suck. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #81
Thank you. MADem Jan 2015 #83
Thanks for all of that! Every word rings true. freshwest Jan 2015 #92
Why quote AARP for anything? Those are the bastards who endorsed the drug donut hole for seniors. MADem Jan 2015 #49
Do you disagree with their numbers? nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #54
I don't believe them and wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them, and you shouldn't either. MADem Jan 2015 #55
If Ted Cruz said the Earth is a sphere MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #56
When you have to bring TED CRUZ into the discussion to justify your adoration of AARP, you've MADem Jan 2015 #57
Bravo! Jeff Rosenzweig Jan 2015 #59
So you don't refute the numbers given, MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #66
Oh boy...now you're trying out the "So you don't..." canard! Damn, you got a whole MADem Jan 2015 #70
Beautifully done Number23 Jan 2015 #69
Yes ma'am! MADem Jan 2015 #71
Damn that was fine! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #82
Bravo! Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #154
Brilliant MADem. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #64
I love music...any kind of music!!! MADem Jan 2015 #65
Ooooooh! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #84
4. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #23
DO NOT THROW SENATOR WARREN IN MY FACE! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #32
You asked for documentation of my assertions MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #33
Got it. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #40
So you agree that Sen Warren backs my assertion? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #41
STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #127
And... I simply did what you asked MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #42
Bull, sheshe2 Jan 2015 #72
Oh Manny~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #137
That looks like an interesting story from the Chicago Tribune on Obama-Warren for the Dems in 2016.. Cha Jan 2015 #87
She is not running Cha. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #88
I know she's not but they don't know that.. and, yet they're still trying to divide. not smart at Cha Jan 2015 #89
Not smart Cha~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #90
5. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #26
Let me know if there's anything else you need. nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #27
So now that I've documented each statement I made, MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #30
Using right wing lobbyists in bed with the GOP as your "proof".... MADem Jan 2015 #61
You are free to refute any numbers, although MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #68
Ha ha ha! MADem Jan 2015 #78
Oh @#$%!!! Jan Schakowski is a right wing lobbyist in bed with the GOP!!! MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #94
Check out who's running AARP, why doncha? A 1981 Reagan appointee. MADem Jan 2015 #108
Americans need to know about Jan Schakowski, no? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #110
Ooooooooh, why don't you start a thread, then, if you feel they "need to know!" MADem Jan 2015 #113
Given how passionate you are about the AARP's numbers being right wing propaganda MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #115
Now you know what to do with your little Jan Scakoswski goalpost, don't you, Manny? MADem Jan 2015 #116
And as you may already know... MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #118
Gee, Manny, are you advertising your good luck, or boasting about your bad behavior? MADem Jan 2015 #120
Holy~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #141
Holy Cow! Even Elizabeth Warren's a right-wing lobbyist in bed with the GOP!!! MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #100
Holy Cow!! Using citations that are almost TWO YEARS OLD to try to get people upset! MADem Jan 2015 #106
It's amazing. How do you do that? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #107
Really, Manny? You've never seen goal posts moved like that? Take a look at your conduct in this MADem Jan 2015 #111
I think the homeless, the elderly, and the poor matter, too. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #112
Well, gosh, there Mister Irony--you might have thought about that before you derailed this thread. MADem Jan 2015 #114
You took a dump... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #142
Take your damn cow out to pasture. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #159
BOOM! glasshouses Jan 2015 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #19
LOL, do some research... it's well known why the stats have shot up. Jeeze, what bullshit. bettyellen Jan 2015 #119
What program was not implemented? treestar Jan 2015 #168
The *** is strong with that one.. I got just the Cha Jan 2015 #34
Kick kick kick! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #36
Consider this one, sweets: freshwest Jan 2015 #44
Thank you freshwest sheshe2 Jan 2015 #52
That seems to be *all* you have. /nt Marr Jan 2015 #46
I'm half Native American Terra Alta Jan 2015 #51
EVERYBODY matters--and you are right. He does relate to people. MADem Jan 2015 #133
Kicking for Native Americans!!!! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #158
I am so sorry that your lovely thread, with such great pictures, was derailed so precipitously. MADem Jan 2015 #60
Thank you MADem. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #62
Kick sheshe2 Jan 2015 #73
Kicking for exposure! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #74
Kick sheshe2 Jan 2015 #75
Thanks for this thread sheshe. You're the best. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #77
Love you Tarheel~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #79
Kick for exposure in more ways than one. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #93
Kick sheshe2 Jan 2015 #95
kick sheshe2 Jan 2015 #96
k&r... spanone Jan 2015 #97
I.... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #131
Kicking for this sweet child that another wanted to silence, sheshe2 Jan 2015 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #101
Kicking for the people that were mentioned here... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #102
That is the sweetest picture ever - thanks you! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #191
K&R ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #103
Hey, she, I love the way you stay involved in your threads, but you have to Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #104
Sigh. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #109
This thread is like Maya Angelou....And Still I Rise!!!!! MADem Jan 2015 #122
I Rise~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #125
This is Democratic Underground. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #105
So much inclusiveness. No one is left out. DU should support this message! freshwest Jan 2015 #132
pathetic need for attention JI7 Jan 2015 #138
Bingo! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #143
KnR my dears Hekate Jan 2015 #135
Agreed, it's why I'm vegan. flvegan Jan 2015 #139
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #140
Kick for the children. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #148
Kick for~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #149
what is amazing it how Michelle looks like Sasha in this pic Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2015 #150
And Kick for the fact that some people tried to derail a thread... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #152
No, we just think that all Americans should have equal opportunity for better lives MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #153
You just don't get it and never will. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #155
It is pretty obvious to anyone reading this thread what's going on here. MADem Jan 2015 #156
K~big breath. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #157
The admins won't do anything about it Number23 Jan 2015 #160
Good advice Number23. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #162
I'm not suggesting that you use the DU ignore function but the ignore function in your head Number23 Jan 2015 #183
I've got something to say about the hidden post... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #209
+100 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #216
Oh BS. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #188
That may be true. Hopefully she'll steer clear of you from now on Number23 Jan 2015 #189
And another lowbrow attack by you MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #192
0-7 jury results on your alert Number23 Jan 2015 #193
LOL MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #194
"Flailing" is what you've done all up and down this thread for the last five days. Number23 Jan 2015 #195
Do you have any specific disagreements with anything I wrote? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #196
Manny, go do this with someone that hasn't seen right through you for more years than you've been Number23 Jan 2015 #197
Kick! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #210
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Jan 2015 #205
for me, Manny, I think that all Americans should have equal justice under the law. grasswire Jan 2015 #200
No justice, no peace. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #203
Beautiful OP! Spazito Jan 2015 #161
What an awesome dude madokie Jan 2015 #163
I love you madokie! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #164
I love you too Sheshe2 madokie Jan 2015 #165
Kick treestar Jan 2015 #166
You~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #170
K&R Skidmore Jan 2015 #173
Hey Skidmore~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #174
Hey, she! Skidmore Jan 2015 #176
Kick! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #175
K&R for being absolutely right... giftedgirl77 Jan 2015 #180
K&R! Thanks for these beautiful images, she. They made my dreary day sunny again. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #199
I could never believe this about you. In_The_Wind Jan 2015 #201
Thanks for posting that link. Number23 Jan 2015 #206
Hi there Number23. I noticed in that thread that you referred to my post to you from this thread... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #214
posted to for later. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #202
K&R. Everybody *does* matter... YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #207
Yes, everybody matters. On a profoundly personal level. lovemydog Jan 2015 #208
I am so sorry your thread was trashed, sheshe2. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #211
You are so kind and thoughtful, sheshe2. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #212
Well, to be honest about it . . . Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #215
K&R! betsuni Jan 2015 #213
Beautiful. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #217
K & R. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #218
K&R. TexasTowelie Sep 2016 #219
Another late K&R NastyRiffraff Sep 2016 #220

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. K & R, a great post.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jan 2015

If we use your thoughts and realize everybody matters then we will not have to spend wasted time trying to determine who we need to hate, thanks, yes it is okay to know everyone matters.

rurallib

(62,346 posts)
7. for an opposing opinion here is Iowa's own Steve King
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:43 PM
Jan 2015

“#Obama perverts ‘prosecutorial discretion’ by inviting a deportable to sit in place of honor at #SOTU w/1st Lady,” King wrote. “I should sit with Alito.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/state-of-the-union-2015-steve-king-114410.html

a truly disgusting human

rwsanders

(2,585 posts)
11. I've been thoroughly frustrated with some actions, inactions and decisions; but ultimately he's...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:15 AM
Jan 2015

a class act and I'm going to miss him.
Heck with Hillary, has anyone thought about drafting Michelle for 2016? Bernie as VP?
Would this be a good survey to start on the WH website? We could tell Michelle she wouldn't even have to pack up.

Cha

(295,915 posts)
12. Yes, and it matters so much that we have President Obama who actually feels that way.. thank
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:30 AM
Jan 2015

you, she.

Cha

(295,915 posts)
16. Yes again.. and to those who are saying it was "meaningless".. I say
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:40 AM
Jan 2015

they don't get it. It was not. So what the gop won't pass anything? We already know that.. but this is to tell America and the World what we Dems are all about and to set us up for 2016..and whomever the candidate is would be smart to build on it.

#Matters.. 2015 SOTU


President Barack Obama greets 103-year-old Civil Rights legend Amelia Boynton Robinson with Rep. Terri Sewell, D-Ala., at the U.S. Capitol before delivering the State of the Union address in the House Chamber in Washington, D.C., Jan. 20, 2015 (Photo by Pete Souza)

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/01/21/when-hope-and-history-rhyme/


sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
17. I saw Amelia in the balcony with Michelle last night.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:46 AM
Jan 2015

Civil rights legend at 103. Damn she is beautiful. I love seeing her with PBO!

Thanks for that picture Cha.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
14. seeing Michelle Obama at the SOTU last night, and then here in this pic
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:34 AM
Jan 2015

She's always been beautiful, but how is she appearing so much younger and more glamorous as time goes on.

Love her, but yeah, I'm jealous.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
15. What about the doubling of homeless students?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:37 AM
Jan 2015

The jobs destroyed by Obama's three free trade agreements signed so far, with the TPP, TTIP, and more in the works?

The elderly who'll be cold and/or hungry if Obama gets the Social Security cuts he seeks?

The millions who've lost their homes because the White House refuses to implement the programs they've promised, probably because it would make bankers grumpy?

The young black men whom the DOJ won't protect from unwarranted police violence?

Talk. Is. Cheap.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
20. 1.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:29 AM
Jan 2015
Number of Homeless Students Reaches All-Time High

"During the 2012-13 school year, 1,258,182 students enrolled in public school across the country were homeless, according to the data released Monday. That's an 8 percent increase from the previous school year, and more than an 85 percent increase from the 2006-07 school year."
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
29. Oh, Manny's pretty well had it with the rapacious Predator Class
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:51 AM
Jan 2015

and their paid help in the White House and Congress.

Much suffering and death, for a few pieces of silver.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
48. They've redefined "homeless" so the districts get more money--that's what is happening here.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:35 AM
Jan 2015

If you are living with granny, or in Auntie's basement apartment, you are now considered "homeless" by those looking for federal funding/grant money. If you are living in "temporary shelter" -- for example, a hotel room, often in a facility largely given over to families without permanent housing--you are regarded as homeless.

So yeah, whatever. When I was a kid, if you lived with your grandma, you lived with your grandma. That was your home. It didn't make you homeless if a relative took you into their home--it made you "living with a relative" and maybe your parent(s) weren't thrilled, but you had a roof over your head. If you lived in a hotel or a short-term rental, you lived in a crappy situation, but you also had a roof over your head, a place to receive mail.

That said, if grant money depends on counting "homelessness" as having to live with relatives, or in a transitional housing situation, then that's the new definition.

Easy to make those figures go way up when you fiddle with the definitions. This is touched upon deep in your source:

The situation could be troublesome because the data released by the education department show an increasing number of homeless youth are living in hotels or motels, or doubled-up with friends or relatives. The percentage of homeless youth living in hotels or motels jumped by 9.6 percent from the 2010-11 school year to the 2012-13 school year, while the percentage of homeless students who were unsheltered - sleeping on the streets - decreased by 30.6 percent. The number of students living with friends or family also increased by 4.4 percent during the same time.


You can see how the topic is wrestled to the ground (if your home is "inadequate" then you can be counted as homeless) here:

http://www.homelesschildrenamerica.org/pdf/full_report/appendix_1.pdf

This Report Card uses the broader definition of homelessness as contained in the education subtitle of the McKinney-Vento
Act, Title X, Part C, of the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 and includes those who are living in motels and those who
share living situations temporarily because of loss of housing, economic hardship, or similar reasons.
This definition more
accurately reflects the reality of family homelessness by defining “‘homeless children and youth’ as individuals who lack a
fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence.” The term includes children and youth who are:1
Sharing the housing of other persons due to loss of housing, economic hardship, or a similar reason (sometimes
referred to as doubled-up);
• Living in motels, hotels, trailer parks, or camping grounds due to lack of alternative accommodations;

• Living in emergency or transitional shelters;
• Abandoned in hospitals;
• Awaiting foster care placement;
• Using a primary nighttime residence that is a public or private place not designed for, or ordinarily used as, a regular
sleeping accommodation for human beings;
• Living in cars, parks, public spaces, abandoned buildings, substandard housing, bus or train stations, or similar settings;
and
• Migratory children who qualify as homeless because they are living in circumstances described above.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
58. I am TELLING you that homelessness was first redefined by NCLB, and
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jan 2015

districts, counties and states have not all gotten on board with the new criteria all at the same time. This is why the numbers are going UP, even though actual "on the street" homelessness is plummeting as these agencies begin to apply the new guidelines.

You can read as easily as anyone else, and you've got Google--go do the work if you really want to learn.

This was discussed at length here on DU--before you arrived, I imagine. You can find the discussions in the archives if you're really interested.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
63. Yet another attempt at an "adult conversation" goes down in flames
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025934426



Your comments about homelessness and NCLB are definitely food for thought.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
85. These are very old, very lame arguments being dragged out, all they're doing is derailing.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:31 PM
Jan 2015

All heat--no light. And most of the heat is coming from GOP-friendly sources!!

It's so easy to tear down, and so much harder to lift up. Those who can, do, and those who cannot, or will not, will post garbage on the internet to try to make people as miserable as they are. It's a sad, sad situation. "I'm not happy, ergo, you must not be happy either!!"

I feel sorry for people who are like that--imagine having to go through life looking for happy little threads on DU to shit on, just to get that all-important FEEEEEEEDBACK!!!!! Because making people cry, or get irritated, or get upset, or be saddened...why, that's IMPORTANT!!!!!!! It makes the shitter feel ..... ALIVE!!!!!!! Wonder what people did before the internet? Make prank phone calls? Then Caller ID ruined their fun!!! Damn the bad luck!!!!

I'll throw in one of these, even though I know you take my point!

Cha

(295,915 posts)
86. "I feel sorry for people who are like that--imagine having to go through life looking for
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jan 2015
happy little threads on DU to shit on.. " And, with ignorant talking points, too. What a waste.

Thank you for highlighting all that info on Homelessness, MADem.. I was homeless once or twice and thanks the Dems and President Obama's policies I have help to not be. I really appreciate them for all the ways they're helping the Homeless and trying to help the poor.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
91. Next to last paragraph is THE definition of a concern troll. Or just a plain troll.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:30 PM
Jan 2015

It's behavior, not the subtext used that determines the act. It's pretty stale, textbook trolling by means of derailing.

I don't respond when I see propositions put forth easily disproved by facts, links and civics repeatedly to a poster. I've stopped doing the work for such posters, as it takes considerable time, such as the last one that got dozens of rebuttals.

That was just one instance of this. The poster did not respond to most of the answers, nor admit to the error, which might be understandable from being a bit embarrassed or confused, despite doubling down.

But jumped to another thread to spread the same misinformation gathered from RW memes. That said quite a bit about him. He had recieved a well deserved thrashing, as delicately doled out as the truth can be safely administered.

I'm glad you're capable of doing so within the bounds of civility, after a while, I just want to say:



But I don't bother to school anyone here. Here is my and to you.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
121. First sign of derailment or utter cluelessness, use this to alert those that their posts are:
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:35 AM
Jan 2015


A self-aware, cognizant person who read the OP and not the names, would realize this thread is clearly a celebration of the most cherished American values that have brought people from around the globe to live here. They believe, they hope and they do make their lives better.

OP is not a policy discussion, but meant to announce a return to the values BushCo discarded as he shredded the American conscience. He deliberately gave democracy such a bad name that he empowered fascists and bigots. Now some people will prefer fascism or theocracy. That's the end result of BushCo's acts and it was intentional.

Let Obama show these posters they are OFF TOPIC. Derailing by not commenting on the OP, denied people a chance to talk about Equality for all Americans and for would be Americans. The posters that have derailed are refusing to allow a discussion of the beauty of inclusiveness fostered by the Constitution and Amendments, and that reflects badly on them.

But what Obama said still speaks to a beautiful American Ideal. Have a good night.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
123. Pitch Perfect as always.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:42 AM
Jan 2015



The posters that have derailed are refusing to allow a discussion of the beauty of inclusiveness fostered by the Constitution and Amendments, and that reflects badly on them.



freshwest

(53,661 posts)
130. Those values need to be discussed. The love they express resonate around the planet:
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:43 AM
Jan 2015


Andrea Bocelli ~ Canto Della Terra

Si lo so
Amore che io e te
Forse stiamo insieme
Solo qualche instante
Zitti stiamo
Ad ascoltare
Il cielo
Alla Finestra
Questo mondo che
Si Sveglia e la notte e
Gia cosi lontana
Gia lontana

Guarda questa terra che
Che gira insieme a noi
Anche quando e buio
Guarda questa terra che
Che gira anche per noi
A darci un po' di
Sole, sole, sole

My love che sei l'amore mio
Sento la tua voce
E ascolto il mare
Sembra davvero il tuo respiro
L'amore che mi dai
Questo amore che
Sta li nascosto
In mezzo alle sue onde
A tutte le sue onde
Come una barca che

Guarda questa terra che
Che gira insieme a noi
Anche quando e buio
Guarda questa terra che
Che gira anche per noi
A darci un po' di
Sole, sole, sole
Sole, sole, sole

Guarda questa terra che
Che gira insieme a noi
A darci un po' di sole
Mighty sun
Mighty sun
Mighty sun


In English:

Yes I know
My love, that you and I
Are together briefly
For just a few moments
In silence
As we look out of our windows
And listen
To the sky
And to a world
That's awakening
And the night is already far away
Already, far away

Look at this world
Spinning with us
Even in the dark
Look at this world
Spinning for us
Giving us hope and some
Sun, sun sun

My love, you are you my love
I hear your voice,
And I listen to the sea.
It sounds just like your breathing
And all the love you want to give me
This love
That is there, hidden
Hidden among the waves
All the waves in the world
Just like a boat that...

Look at this world
Spinning with us
Even in the dark
Look at this world
Spinning for us
Giving us hope,
And some sun, sun, sun,
Some sun, sun, sun.

Look at this world
Spinning with us
Giving us some sun,
Mighty sun
Mighty sun
Mighty sun

http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/andrea_bocelli/canto_della_terra.html

And use the illustration above wherever you please, it's a good meme for this situation.

'Night, MADem!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
171. Oh wow, thank you for that!
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:14 PM
Jan 2015

Imagine that! Using a tool that was used for good to imply things are worse!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
169. so get congress to pass a law that will help with that
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:12 PM
Jan 2015

Maybe Liz Warren can fight for it.

That's not Obama's fault. It's our fault we can do nothing about it for electing a Republican Congress.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
22. 3.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:37 AM
Jan 2015
AARP: What's the Chained CPI?

"You start to get the picture. The gap accelerates and begins looking like real money. If you're 62 and take early retirement this year, by age 92 — when health care costs can skyrocket and more than 1 in 6 older Americans lives in poverty — you'll be losing a full month of income every year."

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
25. I already knew this.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:44 AM
Jan 2015

Obama passed this? Really? Yessssss it was on the table several years ago. Has it happened no.

Cha

(295,915 posts)
31. Poor thing.. desperately reaching for straws .. trying to bring others down to his level
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:58 AM
Jan 2015

of ***.



 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
35. As usual, a totally fact-free attack on the messenger
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:05 AM
Jan 2015

How about some facts instead of meanness and pom-poms?

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
134. There's no question in your OP. Again, a substantive response to the info that Manny
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:11 AM
Jan 2015

posted for you would be appreciated. You asked for it, it was provided. If you can't rebut it, you should apologize for your insults and move along.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
136. Actually Marr this is my Op.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:34 AM
Jan 2015

Not Manny's though he believes it is. You are right, no real question in my Op, yet you could at least comment on it.

Neither you or Manny came here to comment on what I posted. You both came here to be rude, crude, DEMANDING and condescending on an Op about children and this President.

Everybody Matters

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids.I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.



President Barack Obama, State of the Union, January 20, 2015

Talk...meet walk.


Do you have that much of a problem about what Obama stated here? If that is so I feel so very sorry, so very sorry for you. He said...
I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability.
And you have no comment on that? Your concern is not for these people only Manny? You both came here to destroy my Op. I hope you are happy with yourself.



Hey Marr....

There's no question in your OP. Again, a substantive response to the info that Manny
posted for you would be appreciated. You asked for it, it was provided. If you can't rebut it, you should apologize for your insults and move along.


Why the hell should I give Manny the time of day for derailing my thread? Besides I do believe MADem wiped the floor clean with him. It was brilliant.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
151. Why should you have responded?
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:49 AM
Jan 2015

Maybe because a discussion board is about discussion, and not just posting unquestioned monologues?

Or maybe because after you demanded that Manny give you information to back up his comments, and he did so, the adult thing to do would be to acknowledge that information and take a moment to at least attempt a lucid rebuttal?

If you make a post (outside of the BOG), expect more than just clapping and happy emoticons and various versions of "you said it!11!!". If you do not understand why you should have 'given Manny the time of day' after you demanded that information, then you don't understand how two-way discussion works.

And by the way, I don't see where MADem 'wiped the floor with' Manny; quite the opposite, in fact. I do see a bit of the usual giddy high-fiving from the usual giddy high-fivers, and a whole lot of serious goal post moving, but that's about it.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
177. What an arrogant post.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:07 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:43 AM - Edit history (1)

Gee, should she kiss his ring too?

Just who the hell do you think you are, anyway? If you and your pal had a shread of self-awareness, you would be too embarrassed to continue to show your behind in this thread.

I can't stand arrogant bullies. Gag me.


 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
178. That was a very lame attempt at changing the subject.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:54 PM
Jan 2015

Your pal demanded someone back up a claim. That person did so. They then went straight to dismissals and insults and ignored the information they themselves had just demanded.

By the way, why don't you try directing that keen bullying detector of yours at your friends? I see a whole lot of piling-on and insults in this thread, all directed at one poster, from the usual bullying and insult crew. And you're actually going to sit there and try to act indignant?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
184. Thank you
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:35 AM
Jan 2015

Sometimes I feel like I've fallen into an alternative universe. I'm glad some other folks see things the same way I do.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
186. On what specific issues do Boehner and I agree?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:54 AM
Jan 2015

Again, be specific. Unless you got nothin' but mental flatulence, which I'm guessing you're about to demonstrate.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
187. You're very welcome.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:56 AM
Jan 2015

I always enjoy your posts. Even the attack squad that invariably leaps onto them isn't completely without entertainment value.

Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #177)

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
181. Excellent reply Marr. Not everyone agrees that Obama's actions match his words
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:02 AM
Jan 2015

when it comes to everyone mattering. Right or wrong, raising that issue in a thread that quotes Obama talking about everyone mattering is perfectly appropriate on a discussion board like DU. Manny did that and got tons of hate from the usual haters. The funny thing is that sheshe2 asked for him to back up his initial claims and then responded with outrage when he tried to do so. He was accused of being a bully and a hater, but Manny was not the one who went for the throat.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
182. Thank you.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:29 AM
Jan 2015

I agree. I think if you demand information, you should have the character to acknowledge someone taking the time to post it, and ideally, offer some kind of cogent rebuttal (if possible). Instead, it was all insults and about as bad a case of piling on as I've ever seen around here.

For the people doing all the piling-on to top it off with a cry that they're being bullied was just... gross.

Response to Vattel (Reply #181)

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
39. More fact-free hate from you
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:26 AM
Jan 2015

And the picture of the woman with her posterior pointed at us? Poor grammar. Is that really the example that you want to set?

I think you can do better.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. Pay no mind.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:47 AM
Jan 2015

It's obvious what is happening in this thread. In fact, the tactics used are CLASSIC.

IMO, they make DU suck. Wish more people would look at the big picture and reject that kind of "discussion."

Oh well.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
81. Yes it does make DU suck.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jan 2015

However, you are what's good about DU, killing them softly with the truth!

You are the best MADem!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
83. Thank you.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jan 2015

I don't like bullies, never have. I don't like people who think that "their" truth overrides everyone else's. I don't like people who don't know how to have a nice conversation without being rude, disruptive, and hurtful. I don't like people who don't know how to be positive, EVER.

I don't like 'em...but I do feel very, very sorry for them. I think that it's got to be a difficult personal context for people to get their jollies out of chain-jerking on the damn INTERNET....I mean, really--this isn't the floor of the Senate, after all, it's a discussion board for mostly OLDER people who have too many aches and pains to do any serious precinct walking, and if they volunteer at all, will more likely be smiling and dialing to GOTV or doing like I do, driving my older voters to the polls.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. Why quote AARP for anything? Those are the bastards who endorsed the drug donut hole for seniors.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:43 AM
Jan 2015

They love to incite fear and dissent amongst Democrats while ramming GOP programs down the throats of unsuspecting seniors.

Last time I checked, your link didn't apply--but that fricking George Bush donut hole does.

So yeah, that's real "relevant."

Oh, and let me congratulate you as you did a swell job derailing this thread. Can't believe your "input" has anything to do with the spirit and intent of the OP, but, hey, heckuvajob! You worked it on this one--pat yourself on the back!



MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. I don't believe them and wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them, and you shouldn't either.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:18 PM
Jan 2015

How soon some forget?

AARP lost MILLIONS of members over their donut hole position.

I don't personally know a single Democrat over the age of 65 who believes their bullshit. I do know people who remember how badly that donut hole fucked them over, though--and they're out the other end of it and still have not forgotten.

Now me, I'm a lucky so-and-so...I get my prescriptions, when I need them, on a military base for free. However, I've been in the drugstore and seen the stricken looks of customers asked to fork over hundreds for a prescription...so fuck AARP and their donut hole--they are lobbying tools of Big GOP Pharma and the Bill Frist Medical Industry. The woman who is the face of that organization got her start as a Reagan appointee at HUD, and the GOP has been very, very good to her, pushing her up the ladder and in the system until she broke out as a glorified lobbyist for business--not people. She's dancing with the ones what brung her, make no mistake.

Consider the source....ALWAYS. I sure do.

Here--take a walk down memory lane--can't believe you, of all people, could forget this so easily: http://prospect.org/article/seduction





Democrats didn't know about Hansen's e-mail. In fact, when recently told about it, one Democratic staffer expressed shock and said that AARP "double-crossed us." But the GOP's business allies saw the e-mail. The White House sent it out to key Republican lobbyists and such groups as the National Association of Manufacturers and the Business Roundtable to make sure they knew that AARP was still on board. Over the next weeks, AARP leaders worked closely with House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to craft a final bill. It passed the House on November 22 in the early morning hours, when GOP leaders left the vote open for a totally unprecedented three hours after they were initially unable to get the votes needed for passage.

Three days later the bill passed the Senate and, on December 8, President Bush signed it into law, which AARP hailed as "an important step toward fulfilling a longstanding promise to older and disabled Americans." Suddenly, the AARP wasn't looking like such a liberal Democratic ally.

For many Democrats, AARP's support for last November's Medicare prescription-drug bill came as a total shock. Not only could the law cause millions of seniors to lose more generous employer and state-coordinated drug benefits while providing only limited help to others; it is a major step toward the Republican Party's goal of privatizing Medicare and decimating employer-based health coverage.


To those few who were really watching closely, however, AARP's actions were not a surprise at all, and the group's conversion was anything but sudden. The story of the Republicans' seduction of AARP unfolded over nearly a decade, as GOP leaders cajoled, seduced, and occasionally threatened the group's leaders into changing their ways and accepting the reality of Republican congressional control. Today, with bad policy already law, the stakes are incredibly high, as regulations to implement the law loom, along with bills to repeal some of its worst aspects. And they will grow higher still if President Bush is re-elected and Republicans can continue toward their ultimate goals. As the battle to preserve Medicare unfolds, Democrats who were surprised by the bill's passage last November should understand a key part of the story, which has not been told, of how it happened.

Possibly the least surprised man in Washington last fall was Newt Gingrich. The former House speaker, who told a Blue Cross conference in 1995 that Medicare as a "government monopoly plan" was going to "wither on the vine" in favor of a Republican-designed "free-market plan," has spent the last nine years manipulating AARP.


I'm pretty confident that if Elizabeth Warren had been in the Senate when they were ramming that bill through, she would have had something to say about it--AND AARP...!
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
56. If Ted Cruz said the Earth is a sphere
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:53 PM
Jan 2015

Would you deny it?

The chained CPI stuff is basic news and math - I defy you to find any source that disagrees with AARP's reporting of it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
57. When you have to bring TED CRUZ into the discussion to justify your adoration of AARP, you've
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jan 2015

lost the bubble. AARP is an unreliable, right wing outfit in the pockets of the GOP. You want to lean on them for your proof, knock yourself out. I will have NOTHING to do with them, and most Democrats who were fucked over by them--or know someone who was--are standing with me.

So long as we're "defying" here, I defy YOU to just do the decent thing, and stop with the snarking, the sniping, the childish "gotchas" that aren't (or are only to the low-information reader) and the incessant and totally pointless and divisive thread derailing. You took a nice, positive thread with an uplifting message and you pretty much ruined it with a load of "Yeah, but"-ing.

If you want to fling invective, why not do it in one of your protected groups, where people who know the score can't answer back? Is that "no fun" or something? Why do you have to always crap on the positive threads?

The chained CPI shit didn't happen--but you want everyone in an uproar about it, because that's what makes you happy, I guess.

I'm at the point where I feel sorry for you. This kind of thing isn't edgy or clever--it's meanspirited and childish. Shop half-truths, backed by wingnut lobbying groups, and expect everyone to get excited? Not happening. But it's sure illustrative for those who pay attention.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
66. So you don't refute the numbers given,
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:19 PM
Jan 2015

Nor do you refute that President Obama has been calling for Chained CPI.

So many words for you to do that. Why not just say "Yeah, President Obama has repeatedly offered to cut Social Security benefits."

MADem

(135,425 posts)
70. Oh boy...now you're trying out the "So you don't..." canard! Damn, you got a whole
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:37 PM
Jan 2015

bagful of tricks, doncha, Mister Manny? Ooooh, you're just too clever for me!!!! Trying to distract me away from your Bill Frist sources with "So you don't refute..." games~~!!

And further, you're telling me what you think I should say? REALLY?

Let me tell you what YOU should have said, on your Very First Post in this thread, since we're playing that game! Here are two choices, either one would have worked and not shown you in "full flower" as it were:

1. Great thread--nice pics! K/R!!!

2. Nothing at all--absolutely NOTHING -- for a change.


And if you wanted to gripe about something that HAS not, and WILL not, happen, instead of bigfooting all over someone's positive thread, you might try being a bandwidth commando and starting another one of those massive missives of your own (talk about "so many words" -- is the pot remarking on my kettlish color, there?). Why didn't you do that, Manny? Why not drag out your rightwing AARP sources and refight a battle that is long dead, hmmmm, in a thread of your OWN, instead of stomping all over this 'un? No fun? Not enough attention? What?

I'm not going to help you derail this thread and I'm not going to respond to rightwing sources, so darn, you're outta luck there; I will make incessant light of your comments if you continue to try to take a positive thread with pictures of little kids, and wipe your ass on it. Because that is what you're doing~and all I'm saying is I noticed, too!

There's context, there's nuance, and there's a time and a place-- and if prizes were given out for not taking those aspects of a conversation into account, well, you hit the trifecta, laddie!! Pat yourself on the back--you're a real winner!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
69. Beautifully done
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:30 PM
Jan 2015
I'm at the point where I feel sorry for you. This kind of thing isn't edgy or clever--it's meanspirited and childish. Shop half-truths, backed by wingnut lobbying groups, and expect everyone to get excited? Not happening. But it's sure illustrative for those who pay attention.


Ain't that the truth.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
65. I love music...any kind of music!!!
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:17 PM
Jan 2015

Heh heh...I gotta tell it like it is! Let's have a listen to a fine tune....!



So long as the thread went off the track, let's make the train go THIS way...!

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
84. Ooooooh!
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:30 PM
Jan 2015

I just finished reading through the thread again. Dear Gawd....you just wiped the floor clean with him. Forget what I said about softly. Boom!


I kicked it up to 75 for more "exposure"

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
23. 4.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:41 AM
Jan 2015

11/19/2014 - Senator Warren Takes FHFA Director Mel Watt to task for blowing off his authority to reduce mortgage principals after promising, one year ago, to look into it. This would save hundreds of thousands of family homes from foreclosure.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
32. DO NOT THROW SENATOR WARREN IN MY FACE!
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:59 AM
Jan 2015

She is my Senator and at DU I can't even enjoy her. She is awesome yet is used as a tool here to bash Obama. I am sick of it! She will be the next Teddie Kennedy in her awesomeness.

Sen. Warren Applauds Obama’s Push For Middle Class

http://www.wbur.org/2013/02/13/senator-warren-on-sotu


It's Obama-Warren for the Democrats in 2016


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/sns-wp-blm-news-bc-union-inequality-comment21-20150121-story.html

I am done with you Manny.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
33. You asked for documentation of my assertions
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:04 AM
Jan 2015

And our senator does exactly that.

Do you disagree with her? Or is she not stating, in this video, that millions of foreclosures have occured because the White House has blown off its authority and responsibility?

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
40. Got it.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:30 AM
Jan 2015

It is all Obama's fault and always will be. Nothing he does is good. Not one damn thing.

You derailed my thread. Maliciously derailed what I said. You made this about you. I have never once seen you post so much on an Op even your own. 14 TIMES!!!!! Yet here you are attacking me. For stating this... Realy Manny?

Everybody Matters

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.




President Barack Obama, State of the Union, January 20, 2015


I have no clue why you have focused on me tonight. I don't like it at all.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
41. So you agree that Sen Warren backs my assertion?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:36 AM
Jan 2015

That millions of families have had their homes foreclosed on because the White House has blown off its responsibility?

As to derailing your thread... no. Addressing your thread, yes.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
127. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:29 AM
Jan 2015

And yes you derailed my OP. No you did not address it.

Newtown. The babies. Any comments on them? How about Native Americans? Any comment? No.

This thread is NOT ABOUT YOU MANNY!

Everybody Matters

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.

It is all about you Manny. All about you. You make me weep



President Barack Obama, State of the Union, January 20, 2015


This is what it was about before you derailed it. How pathetic to make all this about you.

The Newtown Babies



Do you give a shit?

The Child in the wheelchair



Nope.

It is all about you Manny.



 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
42. And... I simply did what you asked
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:40 AM
Jan 2015

Then you attack me for responding to your request.

Really?

Wow.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
137. Oh Manny~
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:01 AM
Jan 2015


I attacked you? See once again it is all about you. You came on my thread to derail nothing more and nothing less. That was an attack on me and my Op. You should be ashamed of yourself. Care to comment on the Newtown babies Manny? They were part of my Op~

Nope, didn't think so.

I do not care for your special interest in me. Twenty plus comments tonight, yet you never comment in your own like that. This makes two Ops of mine in the same night that you took special interest in. This ain't twitter and I sure as hell do not want you to 'Follow' me. Back off Manny.

Cha

(295,915 posts)
87. That looks like an interesting story from the Chicago Tribune on Obama-Warren for the Dems in 2016..
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:07 PM
Jan 2015

she! It wants us to register and I don't feel like doing that right now, though.

Yeah, it's sickening the way some on DU try to use Sen Warren to bash the President.. because if she did ever run.. you can bet your life she would want him to campaign with her. Not going to throw the huge Obama Coalition under the damn proverbial bus. Way too smart for that.. unlike those who go around throwing false premises out just to get their *** on.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
88. She is not running Cha.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jan 2015

No matter what some believe. She wants her seat and she will be brilliant. Our second Teddie.

How could a woman possibly know her own mind? We need the GOP to tell us who we are. They need to tell us when to have sex and tell us abortion is out of the question. They redefined rape. They are unrelenting assholes.

They make me sick.

Cha

(295,915 posts)
89. I know she's not but they don't know that.. and, yet they're still trying to divide. not smart at
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:26 PM
Jan 2015

all.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
30. So now that I've documented each statement I made,
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:58 AM
Jan 2015

as requested, I hope to receive at least a little "thank you" from you for helping to open your eyes to these matters.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
61. Using right wing lobbyists in bed with the GOP as your "proof"....
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jan 2015

Yeah, you locked down your talking points~~!!! You really took it to town, on a thread about a quote addressing the POV that EVERYBODY matters, with a bunch of nice illustrations. Yeah, you "documented" all right!!! Wow, you showed THEM!!!!

We got your number, loud and clear!

I think everyone's eyes are wide open--and your conduct in this thread did a heckuvajob opening 'em, too!!!

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
68. You are free to refute any numbers, although
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:29 PM
Jan 2015

you have kept away from that, instead preferring to write lots of words attacking people.

So simple: show us the evidence. (If it exists, of course.)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
78. Ha ha ha!
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jan 2015

Yeah, and you were free to not stomp all over a postive thread about how Everybody Matters with a quote from the SOTU and pictures of little kids....but no--you could NOT do that, could you?

You just had to stomp on the sandcastles!

Why don't you run on back to one of your protected groups, where you're safe from criticism of your "style?"

You're showing ME--and everyone else reading this thread--all the evidence they need~!



Here I am, "attacking people" yet again:

"It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints."


Try a little civility every once in a while....

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
94. Oh @#$%!!! Jan Schakowski is a right wing lobbyist in bed with the GOP!!!
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:53 PM
Jan 2015
http://schakowsky.house.gov/images/user_images/gt/stories/Fact%20Sheet%20on%20Chained%20CPI.pdf

SEIU? Right wing lobbyists in bed with the GOP!!! http://seiu2001.org/2013/05/03/chained-cpi/

Dean Baker? Right wing lobbyist in bed with the GOP!!! http://seiu2001.org/2013/05/03/chained-cpi/ http://www.cepr.net/index.php/press-releases/press-releases/chained-cpi-social-security-budget

The Nation magazine? Right wing lobbyist in bed with the GOP!!! http://www.thenation.com/blog/173786/top-5-myths-about-chained-cpi-debunked#

And that's just the beginning! It seems like anyone who can put together "facts" and "math" is a Right wing lobbyists in bed with the GOP!!! Litrally anyone! The place is crawling with 'em!

I know that you'll join me in letting Americans know that these organizations are conspiring to pollute our precious bodily fluids. In reality, smart people like you know that chained CPI is a good thing, which is clearly why you're defending it. Only the haterz think chained CPI is a benefits cut that would harm the neediest.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
108. Check out who's running AARP, why doncha? A 1981 Reagan appointee.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:46 AM
Jan 2015

You remember AARP, don't you? You were citing them as your go-to source for all your facts and figures!

No one was talking about any of the people you're link-flinging about NOW...except YOU.

More deflection. More old links from back in the dark ages (Oooooh, the Nation!!! A 2013 article--where's the new one, where they're still expressing concern? Answer--there ain't one, because this isn't an issue anymore to anyone but YOU! A little behind the times, are you?).

More crap in the form of ancient links that has nothing to do with your insistence that GOP AARP is a "good" source for information. Gee, stopped doubling down on that source, did you? And your old 2013 (that was your favorite year--the only year this topic hit critical mass, and then faded away; because it ain't happening) link quoting Senator Warren isn't getting the reaction you hoped for, either--because, see, she's an adult...why, she can even work with guys like Orrin Hatch! Oh, the Huge Manatee!

Tsk, tsk...Manny, you CAN do better--and really...you should.

Here's a link a year later than yours, to help you git the spirit:



All You Need Is Love!!

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
110. Americans need to know about Jan Schakowski, no?
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:52 AM
Jan 2015

And all the other evil beings that use facts and math to arrive at the same conclusion!

I think there are at least several other DUers who feel as strongly as you do that facts and math have no business being on a Democratic web site.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
113. Ooooooooh, why don't you start a thread, then, if you feel they "need to know!"
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:01 AM
Jan 2015

Come on, Manny....

Don't hide your "America Needs to KNOW" light under a bushel that is a quote from the SOTU and a bunch of pictures of cute kids!!!

How will AMERICA KNOW if YOU don't tell them???

Quick--on your horse--go to every Middlesex village and farm...sound the alarm, lad, sound the alarm!!!

But do it in your OWN thread--stop derailing this one....oh, and take those goalposts with you!!!





 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
115. Given how passionate you are about the AARP's numbers being right wing propaganda
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:05 AM
Jan 2015

And given that Jan Scakoswski has the same numbers - as does everyone else who uses facts and math - I think you'd want to let people know the truth.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
116. Now you know what to do with your little Jan Scakoswski goalpost, don't you, Manny?
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:13 AM
Jan 2015

You strap it on your back, waddle over to your OWN field, and plant it in your end zone.

Stop stinking up this positive SOTU/POTUS/Little Kid thread with "important" figures from 2013 that NO ONE--I mean NO ONE--not Elizabeth Warren, not AARP, not Congress, not POTUS--is talking about...and hasn't been talking about for TWO YEARS!!!!

But run along now, and fire up an URGENT thread, draw your acolytes near, and rail, rail, RAIL if it makes you feel good about yourself...just don't do it here, on this thread, which is all about EVERYBODY matters, POTUS, SOTU, and little kids. And whatever you do, don't tell them that your material is two years old and not a hot topic anymore...that'll ruin the drama. And that's some HARD truth, there, Manny.

Here, a picture that makes me smile:



All You Need is LOVE!!!

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
118. And as you may already know...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:18 AM
Jan 2015


On Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:12 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

More fact-free hate from you
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6120485

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Goading, baiting, mocking--and that "picture of a woman with her posterior" is the woman with the "Got Obama's back" shirt on in the sig line. The "fact-free hate" with disturbing overtones, is coming from the person making the accusation. This is not civil discussion and it makes DU suck.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:18 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Manny should know better than to trash another person's thread. Cleverly worded in order to avoid the hide, especially since there is so much opposition and intransigence. Leave it with a warning.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Time to go the way of BBI.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No Manny, it's more nastiness from you. Hide it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No Manny, Cha can't do better, unless sheshe or frenchie have the com, cough, screen name, cough
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
120. Gee, Manny, are you advertising your good luck, or boasting about your bad behavior?
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:34 AM
Jan 2015

Not sure what you want from me, there!

The numbers give you a "go" but the comments aren't showing you much love.

Don't like that feedback? Try being NICE, Manny--CIVIL. Polite. Kind. Stop derailing threads, like you did this one--of course, your efforts had an unintended effect, they brought attention to your conduct, and the thread, which celebrates the concept that EVERYBODY MATTERS (with POTUS and kids to illustrate) has taken off, despite your repeated deposits of ancient arguments from 2013 that no one--save you--is concerned about.

Instead of sinking, this thread is like Maya Angelou...AND STILL I RISE! Watch this and learn something:



You can "DU" better, now, Manny--and you really should try. Just like hope ... still I rise!!!

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
141. Holy~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:03 AM
Jan 2015
How will AMERICA KNOW if YOU don't tell them???

Quick--on your horse--go to every Middlesex village and farm...sound the alarm, lad, sound the alarm!!!

But do it in your OWN thread--stop derailing this one....oh, and take those goalposts with you!!!








Game set and the whole damn match!

Bravo Madem.

PS I love that picture of Warren and Obama.
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
100. Holy Cow! Even Elizabeth Warren's a right-wing lobbyist in bed with the GOP!!!
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:09 AM
Jan 2015
Elizabeth Warren 'Shocked' By Obama Chained CPI Proposal To Cut Benefits For Seniors, Vets

Hey MADem, this is pretty disheartening. Even Senator Warren is a traitor.

Any suggestions on how people who know the TRUE truth about Chained CPI, like you, can get the word out?

Elizabeth Warren. Jeez.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
106. Holy Cow!! Using citations that are almost TWO YEARS OLD to try to get people upset!
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:36 AM
Jan 2015

It's 2015.... not 2013. A lot has happened since then--have you been sleeping all this time? Here's a picture that's much more recent than that link:



Manny, Cindy Lauper has a song for you....




I am sorry that you're so angry that you have a need to behave this way. I wish you would try to interact in a positive and productive way with your fellow DUers, but it seems you have a hard time doing that. You keep coming back with outdated links that you expect people to not read, but as an infamous politician once said "Fooled me once, won't git fooled agin." You've fooled us once, Manny. We're not buying what you're selling anymore.

You can't manage to converse without rudeness and snark, and that's really sad.

Be happy--don't derail threads with two year old links and expect people to buy that nonsense. We've figured you out. "Jeez."

You're not a very good advocate for Senator Warren, with that kind of attitude. She's all about positivity and can-do--and she wouldn't wave around old wine in new bottles; that's not her style. You shouldn't do it either.

After all, to quote your comment elsewhere in this thread, when you were being thoughtlessly cruel to one of our members here, "You can do better."

And since you can, maybe you should.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
107. It's amazing. How do you do that?
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:45 AM
Jan 2015

I have never seen goal posts move that fast in my entire life.

Careful! Don't sprain anything!

And so many words! Maybe people will read all of those words and forget what the topic is, who can tell?

And has the President apologized for trying to starve and freeze old people with his catfood commission and his fighting for chained CPI? Or, conversely, has Jan Schakowski apologized for using facts and math to come up with the same numbers as the AARP?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
111. Really, Manny? You've never seen goal posts moved like that? Take a look at your conduct in this
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:56 AM
Jan 2015

thread!!!

You took a goalpost consisting of a nice quote from the SOTU and a few cute pictures of kids, knocked it down, set it on fire, pissed on it, and then hauled out YOUR goalpost of links from a right wing GOP lobbying group and planted them on the fifty yard line!! You moved your goalposts from 2013 to 2015....and you hoped that no one would notice!!!!! Yeah!!! So many WORDS, Manny!! So many WORDS FROM 2013, on a topic that has faded and died because NO ONE IS CONTEMPLATING IT! Except "Trapped in a Time Warp Manny" that is!



It's MOXIE, I tell ya....pure MOXIE!!

And gee--no one is talking about this DIRE subject anymore--you can't find links more recent than 2013...and that was two years ago, kiddo--tempus fugit, and all that.

No one is buying your schtick anymore, Manny. You've outed yourself with your behavior in this thread--this thing is a gem, a bookmarker, a real keeper-- it illustrates very clearly what your goals--and your goalpost moving, since you brought it up--are all about.

You can "DU" better Manny. You should TRY. Just a little--you might find you like it. Or you can keep being uncivil, and people will start mentioning it to you--particularly when you crap on perfectly nice threads with two year old links and pretend that they matter.


 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
112. I think the homeless, the elderly, and the poor matter, too.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:59 AM
Jan 2015

Your opposition to this notion is noted.

Have a good night.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
114. Well, gosh, there Mister Irony--you might have thought about that before you derailed this thread.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:03 AM
Jan 2015

EVERYBODY MATTERS...that's what the thread is about.

Apparently, you don't think your fellow DUers matter very much--if your behavior on this thread is any indicator!

You CAN "DU" better Manny--and it's past time you start.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
142. You took a dump...
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:25 AM
Jan 2015

actually many dumps on my thread about people matter. That sucks. I have no clue why you continue to come at me. Leave me the fuck alone. You are a rude man. You want the limelight? Do it on your own threads.

You claim

" think the homeless, the elderly, and the poor matter, too.
Your opposition to this notion is noted."


Yet never ONCE DID YOU RESPOND TO MY OP! READ IT BELOW> DO THEY MATTER TO YOU? Who the hell do you think is being talked about in Obama's message? They are poor, many homeless and many so very hungry. Your posts here are ugly and you show no respect for those in need.


I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters.


Wake up Manny.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
159. Take your damn cow out to pasture.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 04:28 AM
Jan 2015

And stop using Senator Warren as a tool to bash Obama. She is MY Senator. Every damn thing you write is bullshit.

Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #15)

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
119. LOL, do some research... it's well known why the stats have shot up. Jeeze, what bullshit.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:18 AM
Jan 2015

Really, this is embarassing. Let's blame Obama for how embarrassing this is!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
44. Consider this one, sweets:
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:27 AM
Jan 2015
Love is as strong as death, as hard as Hell. Death separates the soul from the body, but love separates all things from the soul.

~ Meister Eckhart

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
52. Thank you freshwest
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jan 2015

for Meister Eckhart's brilliant words. The last~ "love separates all things from the soul".



Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
51. I'm half Native American
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:55 AM
Jan 2015

And I'm glad he included Native Americans in his SOTU address.

Obama isn't perfect, but he does relate to people, and in a big way.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
133. EVERYBODY matters--and you are right. He does relate to people.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:07 AM
Jan 2015

What I like about the guy is that he "gets" what it is like to be "the other." He doesn't allow that to confine him, even as his circumstances served to define and refine him. He knows what it's like to be the odd one out. He gets that it can be a tough road at times.

I know what that's like, too. Head up, chin out, move forward, don't let 'em get you down--but if we all took the attitude that EVERYBODY matters, we'd be doing a lot less worrying about fitting in and finding our place at that table.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
60. I am so sorry that your lovely thread, with such great pictures, was derailed so precipitously.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:27 PM
Jan 2015

It's a crying shame--but it really illustrates a point or ten, for those who take the time to look.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
62. Thank you MADem.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:52 PM
Jan 2015

And you are right, it certainly says a lot about a person. Actually it speaks volumes.

Thanks again.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
79. Love you Tarheel~
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:02 PM
Jan 2015

And you are welcome.

Lol~ I kicked it the last 3 times to make it to 75 for exposure so to speak!

Response to sheshe2 (Reply #99)

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
102. Kicking for the people that were mentioned here...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:15 AM
Jan 2015

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.

For every child that a poster wanted to deny their voice and their heart. For every

man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability.

He wanted to make it about his voice not ours. I say no! You will not set my course. You will not derail me. You will not derail us!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
104. Hey, she, I love the way you stay involved in your threads, but you have to
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:27 AM
Jan 2015

Admit this one was really great. It is refreshing to read a positive thread though some tried to derail it. It has provided me a good afternoon.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
109. Sigh.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jan 2015

Ya it is/was a great thread. Thinkingabout. Glad it gave you some joy.

For me. I don't have a lot of patience these days, to much going on to suffer fools gladly. When someone comes on a thread 21 times to trash it, that really stinks. Did I post a wildly controversial thread? No. I posted about

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.



I have no clue why a Democrat on Democratic Underground would find issue with that.

It makes me sad.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
122. This thread is like Maya Angelou....And Still I Rise!!!!!
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:41 AM
Jan 2015


When people vex you, share this with them. Maya had it going ON! She knew how to play it for maximum effect!

Don't be sad. Realize that one swallow does not a summer make, one bozo doesn't a circus make, and some people just don't have it in them to be positive. They only know meanness. It's a failing, but it's not on you--it's on them. They have to live with themselves.

Just keep on keeping on--Still You Rise!

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
105. This is Democratic Underground.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:30 AM
Jan 2015

Why the hell would any one wish to derail this message>

Why? Why the hell would any Democrat try to derail this Message? I am at a loss here.

Everybody Matters

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.



President Barack Obama, State of the Union, January 20, 2015

Talk...meet walk.

Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
149. Kick for~
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:41 AM
Jan 2015
Everybody Matters

I want our actions to tell every child in every neighborhood, your life matters, and we are committed to improving your life chances - as committed as we are to working on behalf of our own kids. I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we’re a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen -- man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino, Asian, immigrant, Native American, gay, straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability. Everybody matters. I want them to grow up in a country that shows the world what we still know to be true: that we are still more than a collection of red states and blue states; that we are the United States of America.



President Barack Obama, State of the Union, January 20, 2015

Talk...meet walk.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
152. And Kick for the fact that some people tried to derail a thread...
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:53 AM
Jan 2015

about Everybody Matters.

I find that so sad and so pathetic. This is DU. We no longer care?

She Matters~



Dear baby. She Matters~



The sweet sibs from Newtown matter. Some people sadly do not get that. I cry~

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
153. No, we just think that all Americans should have equal opportunity for better lives
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 03:10 AM
Jan 2015

Not equal opportunity for greater economic predation.

Everybody does matter, and every American equally deserves a shot at the American dream.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
155. You just don't get it and never will.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 03:26 AM
Jan 2015
No, we just think that all Americans should have equal opportunity for better lives

Not equal opportunity for greater economic predation.


We just think it? No. Some of us are fighting to make it right. Some of us are fighting tooth and nail to make it to our next paycheck. You have stated here that you are damn close to being in the 1% so is this about you or us.

What are you doing to help us other than shitting on my thread.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
156. It is pretty obvious to anyone reading this thread what's going on here.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 03:30 AM
Jan 2015

This is classic thread derailment/disruption. Usually, the object of these kinds of games is demotivation/demoralization.

It's something the admins should really take a look at. IMO, anyway.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
157. K~big breath.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 03:55 AM
Jan 2015

Yup, I know what he is doing...

This is classic thread derailment/disruption. Usually, the object of these kinds of games is demotivation/demoralization.


If that man for one minute thinks he is going to SHUT ME UP OR SHUT ME DOWN he is a fool. He can continue his ugly posts to me. I Will Not Sit Down and I Sure as Hell Will NOT Shut Up. I have been demoralized before. It is never going to happen again. Ef him.

He follows me MADem. Kinda spooky. Kinda creepy and kinda sad. He gives me the willies. He sure as hell tries and sometimes succeeds to hide my posts. I feel stalked and this is not the first time I said this. Last time, he posted a thread saying he was wrongfully accused of stalking. He was outraged.

Lol~ others showed threads where he accused people of stalking him. Once again he was outraged.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
160. The admins won't do anything about it
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 04:44 AM
Jan 2015
He follows me MADem. Kinda spooky. Kinda creepy and kinda sad. He gives me the willies. He sure as hell tries and sometimes succeeds to hide my posts. I feel stalked and this is not the first time I said this.


I suggest that you start sending them a PM of every instance where you feel harassed. This thread is a really blatant example and so hopefully they've already seen it. He's outdone himself in this thread. One thing certain people here (so often men) don't seem to understand is that people should be allowed to post things without being constantly stalked and harassed by the same people. Disagreement, even passionate disagreement, is not the issue. It's the following, personal attacks, derailment and flat out bullying that goes on that's the problem. When someone tells you to leave them alone JUST FUCKING DO IT. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea if you just completely disengaged with Manny as well. No responses to him, ever. No matter how tempting his ever present flame bait may be.

Now, whether the admins will actually DO something with your PMs is the actual issue. But even if they don't do anything at the moment, we all know that they keep that kind of information handy.

sheshe2

(83,341 posts)
162. Good advice Number23.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:33 PM
Jan 2015

JAG suggest something similar. To document.

I have no one on ignore, I want to see what they are saying, however I can...

This thread is a really blatant example and so hopefully they've already seen it. He's outdone himself in this thread. One thing certain people here (so often men) don't seem to understand is that people should be allowed to post things without being constantly stalked and harassed by the same people. Disagreement, even passionate disagreement, is not the issue. It's the following, personal attacks, derailment and flat out bullying that goes on that's the problem. When someone tells you to leave them alone JUST FUCKING DO IT. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea if you just completely disengaged with Manny as well. No responses to him, ever. No matter how tempting his ever present flame bait may be.


Ignore said person and disengage. Will do, not easy but will do.

You~



Number23

(24,544 posts)
183. I'm not suggesting that you use the DU ignore function but the ignore function in your head
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:34 AM
Jan 2015

Whenever you see that person's name, ignore the ever loving hell out of him. Don't even talk around him. Treat him like he's not even there. And as you and most of this web site already knows, you will be missing absolutely NOTHING if you do just that.

I'm sure he and his pals are laughing up a storm that they got your post hidden up thread. And it's a shame that had to happen. But personally, if I had to choose between making such a spectacular ass out of myself all in the name of making sure that everyone here knows how much I hate the DEMOCRATIC president of the United States on a DEMOCRATIC board or take a hidden post, there really wouldn't be a contest.

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
209. I've got something to say about the hidden post...
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 04:19 AM
Jan 2015

I was on the jury for it. The only person at DU who got sheshe's post hidden was sheshe. The alert was for the accusation of racism aimed at two DUers in the thread. So I went and read the post it was in response to and found nothing. I read through the entire thread and found nothing. But I did see a lot of nastiness, accusations of stalking, bullying and all sorts of dramatic stuff aimed at one DUer in the thread. So it was an easy hide in the end. I don't have a dog in this particular fight, not being American and liking some people on both 'sides' of the bickering, and there's more than a few posts in this thread I'd have voted to hide if they were alerted on and I was on a jury for them, but a simple solution for folk who don't want their posts hidden is to play nice and not make things personal and nasty when the person they're replying to is discussing an issue and not personalities...

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
188. Oh BS.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:04 AM
Jan 2015

I responded to her OP, she asked for evidence (and not for me to go away), I gave the evidence she asked for, then she got all upset.

Insinuating that I'm a stalker is utterly disgusting, a low thing to do. Do a quick search and I expect you'll find that the opposite is closer to the truth, sheshe tends to show up on my posts way more often than I show up on hers.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
189. That may be true. Hopefully she'll steer clear of you from now on
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:27 AM
Jan 2015

Would be mighty kind -- as well as totally out of character -- for you to be decent and mature enough to show her the same level of courtesy.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
193. 0-7 jury results on your alert
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jan 2015

Maybe next time, Manny?

But it'll have to be at least 24 hours from now.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
195. "Flailing" is what you've done all up and down this thread for the last five days.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jan 2015

Good lord you'd think you'd be done by now.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
197. Manny, go do this with someone that hasn't seen right through you for more years than you've been
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:44 PM
Jan 2015

a GD "darling." I have no interest in playing with you and never have. I know this is how you get your kicks and I'm sure another alert will be on its way soon (but of course, not having been sent by you, nosiree!one) but I don't find you or your games interesting.

Although judging by the numerous PM's I've been getting, I should let you keep kicking this thread because not only does sheshe's rec keep going up but the number of people that appear to be finally seeing your true purpose here appears to be growing. Personally, I can't believe that you aren't as obvious to everyone as you always have been to me and a veritable slew of other posters here but people see things in their own time.

Response to sheshe2 (Reply #155)

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
200. for me, Manny, I think that all Americans should have equal justice under the law.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:52 PM
Jan 2015

That matters. There is no backbone to our democracy without equal justice. And I believe this administration does not stand between the people and tyranny in that respect.

That matters.

Spazito

(49,762 posts)
161. Beautiful OP!
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:57 AM
Jan 2015

Thanks for posting this, children love this President, they know from their heart they can trust him and it shows in every photo you see when children interact with him.

As to the attempted thread hijacking, well, it showed me who does think everybody matters and who is willing to use whoever, the poor, homeless, you name it if it helps them to try and derail a lovely, non-confrontational OP. The attempted disruption only served to show the poster as ready to throw the vulnerable under the bus if it suits their agenda just like the repubs. It's crystal clear to me.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
165. I love you too Sheshe2
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jan 2015


I couldn't begin to count the number of times you've made my day. thanks for all that you do for us here.

what an awesome First lady we have too, the whole first family for that matter

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
214. Hi there Number23. I noticed in that thread that you referred to my post to you from this thread...
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:09 AM
Jan 2015

My post from this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026119475#post209

and yr post about it in that thread complaining about a hide:

Someone "explained" why they voted to hide your post in your other thread but I can't be bothered to reply.

I'm not sure that your accusations of racism were appropriate for that particular thread but there is no doubt in my mind that the person(s) you directed that accusation to were spot on. You would be hard pressed to find a minority poster on DU that has not expressed those same sentiments towards that individual. And I have no doubt that's the ONLY reason your post was alerted on and certainly not because it was untrue.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125554244#post86


Firstly, I didn't 'explain' - I read a few posts from you in this thread talking about the hide and claiming that DUers saw things as you did. So I said what I thought as a juror with no allegiances to one 'side' or the other when I looked back through the posts leading up to the alerted post. I posted in good faith and I thought you and I got on well, so I'm not sure why you couldn't be bothered to reply. Not that yr obligated to reply, but usually when people have nothing to say they don't say anything rather than going to a Meta thread somewhere else and announcing it there. The response to you in that thread was strange as well. I can only remember one exchange with the DUer who replied to you and it wasn't unpleasant so I'm not sure where they're coming up with that stuff about me disliking them. That appeared to be a rather random accusation of lack of objectivity. Even if I did dislike them, I'd treat them the way I treat other DUers I actually dislike when I'm called up to a jury for one of their posts. I'd do what I do with every alerted post I'm on a jury for. I'd look at the post and if what they've said is imo worthy of being hidden, I'd vote to hide. If it's not, I'd vote to leave. There's only been once when I backed out of a jury because I decided my dislike was going to cloud my judgement, but I hated that DUer with a passion, which is a rarer than rare thing for me...

Now I have a question for you. In yr post from that thread you claim that Manny and Marr are racists. While I don't tend to read many threads on domestic US politics, I have read enough from both of them to be surprised by that accusation. So, could you supply some links to where they're saying racist things?

Something I didn't get after reading this thread and that thread was after all the stuff along the lines of 'LEAVE ME ALONE!!! DON'T BULLY ME!!!' and being told by several DUers to use the ignore function if another DUer upsets them, why I was reading through that other thread and they're still, over 24 hrs later, talking about Manny. I dunno, my advice would be to get over it and move on because that sort of behaviour doesn't really support their claims of being bullied and stalked.

Note to self: don't post in these drama-fest threads anymore. It makes me feel like the Meta forum's come back
 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
207. K&R. Everybody *does* matter...
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 02:26 AM
Jan 2015

And of course, the usual suspects had to hijack your thread. How sad. To them, I say: You do Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders or whomever you support no favors with that kind of behavior.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
208. Yes, everybody matters. On a profoundly personal level.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:42 AM
Jan 2015

Not merely as statistics.

President Obama communicates this completely.

I'm blown away by what he's able to accomplish with empathy, humor and grace.

Thank you for this thread sheshe2. I love the photos!

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
211. I am so sorry your thread was trashed, sheshe2.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 12:50 AM
Jan 2015

It's a beautiful thread about our President,
And it was an honest depiction of the how test President we've had in many, many decades cares about everybody.

It's a shame that the admins of DU don't do something to prevent this sort of thing from happening at the forum that they are in control of.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
212. You are so kind and thoughtful, sheshe2.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 12:12 AM
Jan 2015

I appreciate your concern, but I am quite content to remain the President of your fan club.
A team of wild horses couldn't get me to quit!!

Let me just say, you are the best thing that has happened to DU in the last 4 years!!
You are always so cheerful, bringing good news to the forum, usually containing fantastic pictures of our President in your threads.
You are the best!


Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
215. Well, to be honest about it . . .
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 01:18 AM
Jan 2015

. . . I've grown pretty fond of you over the course of the last 2 or 3 years.
And it was rather easy to talk with you about President Obama, or about the weather, the entire time.
Whether you were posting in the BOG or on GD, it wasn't hard to see the care and attention you put forth in your comments about all of those issues.
You have a heart of gold, and I think that is obvious to everyone at the DU by now.

Yes, everybody matters.
Especially you!

betsuni

(25,128 posts)
213. K&R!
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:53 AM
Jan 2015

Hateful negative comments in this thread completely destroyed by the truth. I'm pretty sure there's a script because the lines are so similar. And the "logic." They are such a bore.

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