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Two women drag an emaciated female corpse along the ground, its head bouncing on the dirt. When they reach a large pit, they stop, give the naked body a quick tug backward to pick up momentum, then hurl it into the hole. The corpse, which looks like a skeleton covered in a thin film of skin, flops onto a mound of decomposing bodies.
The scene, shot at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp at the end of World War II, might never have been seen by the public had a decommissioned film, boasting Alfred Hitchcock as a supervising director and British film pioneer Sidney Bernstein as producer, not been resurrected. Authorized in the spring of 1945 by the Allied forces, German Concentration Camps Factual Survey captured the monstrous realities found during the liberation of Nazi death camps, including Bergen-Belsen, Dachau and Auschwitz.
Yet by August of that year, the film was shelved by British authorities. Everythingreels of footage, the script, the cameramens noteswas boxed up and buried in the archives of the Imperial War Museums (IWM) in London. A new HBO documentary, Night Will Fall (January 26), directed by André Singer and narrated by Helena Bonham Carter and Jasper Britton, tells the story of how, 70 years later, this lost film came back to life.
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With grace and masterful storytelling, Night Will Fall reveals the carnage the Allied troops found in the concentration camps and reminds us of just how powerful bearing witness can be. The film is a poignant, potent addition to the canon of Holocaust history. As Bernstein said in an interview in 1984, My instructions were to film everything which would prove one day that this had actually happened. Itd be a lesson to all mankind as well. As to the Germans, for whom the film that we were putting together was designed
it would be the evidence we could show them
. I wanted to prove that they had seen it, so there was evidence, because I guessed rightly, and most people would deny that it happened.
more at
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/why-hitchcocks-horrifying-film-on-the-holocaust-was-never-shown/
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)to one of the camps. That is all he ever told us about it. I know he would leave the room whenever a documentary we were watching touched on it.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)He was the top Sgt. of his outfit. Many of his men had approached him asking if they could just shoot any of the German soldiers they'd captured. He explained to them that they don't defeat Nazis by becoming Nazis, that the American GIs were among the good guys in that war and that it would terrify the Jewish inmates if they did start shooting Germans. What he did NOT tell them was that it was all he could do to not put HIS Thompson on single fire and shoot every German he saw.
PEACE!
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,546 posts)toward the end where they liberate a camp and one of the guys loses it and shoots a German soldier about 10 times. The shots echo through the scene as there are 4-5 seconds between each one. Very chilling.........
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Lee Marvin is terrific as always.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)If I recall, I think that soldier is a pretty Star Wars Mark Hammill.
BTW, my uncle lived until the mid 90s. I often heard men who'd served with him (many of whom lived in the same neighborhood) address him as "Top" even 40+ years after the war. For many reasons, he was a great man!
PEACE!
ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)his experiences in the Army and yes he did liberate a concentration camp as did participate in all the battles in the movie.
IMHO his best war movie was 'The Steel Helmet'.
His most interesting movie, which was banned, was 'White Dog'.
For those who are interested check out the documentary 'The Typewriter, the Rifle & the Movie Camera' by Quentin Tarantino, it documents his life and his influence on him, Tarantino, and many others in film, which may surprise some who are not familiar with Fuller.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)as he takes position to watch his back?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)the good guys.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...sometimes I fear the same thing.
PEACE!
chervilant
(8,267 posts)I recommend that you read The American Age, by Walter LaFeber. I took an elective in graduate school for which this book was the primary resource. I read the entire book the first weekend I had it, and I was so angry I had to put it down several times and march around my living room, raging at the hubris of the "policy makers" of this Nation of Bleak Hypocrisy we call the "United States" (and, so few of us get the irony...).
jtuck004
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And in our case, apparently, sometimes when we don't forget it.
My neighbor, died recently at 90 something, was a paratrooper, several drops into Europe, fought in several battles. Broke his ankle and snuck out a window of the hospital when they tried to admit him, so he wouldn't have to leave his unit behind to fight. The battle he went to from there was the Bulge.
I remember him telling me that a fair number of enemy soldiers, and more than a few townspeople were shot in the highly emotional aftermath of those discoveries.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...and my uncle REALLY wanted to shoot the Germans. His unit was made up of mostly neighborhood guys who'd newer seen Jewish people in their lives. They did, however, recognize inhuman horror when they saw it!
PEACE!
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)I can't tell you the number of times I was someone's "first" (and not in the fun way!). Even after moving back to OK, I was 40, and I met this person at the pet store and we were chatting, and something came up about Christmas, and I said I was Jewish. "Oh, so you celebrate Jewish Christmas (Chanukah)." I briefly explained why it wasn't the Jewish Christmas. The conversation shortly after, "you don't look like a Jew."
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Russians. The Russians, who had suffered terribly as a country at the hands of the Nazis with 1/3rd plus of their country occupied and millions killed, were in no mood for playing the role of the nice guys. They gave the former inmates a few meals to give them some strength and then let them do as they pleased to their former captors.
Many Nazis who had been in charge only a few hours before were literally torn to pieces by the former inmates.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...poor Nazi bastards!
Where was your father? My great uncle Felix, who was my step-mother's uncle, was a survivor of (I think) Treblinka. I only met him once when I was 8. I remember the numbers tattooed on his forearm and how he would freeze up when he heard the police sirens. He lived in LA and their sirens sounded a lot like the ones that the Gestapo used. Almost 52 years later, the memory still chills me.
Thank you for sharing.
PEACE!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The stub for his testimony in the Spielberg project is here--> http://vhaonline.usc.edu/viewingPage.aspx?testimonyID=42543&returnIndex=3
It just requires a free registration
Tansy_Gold
(17,847 posts)He wouldn't leave the room when it was on tv, but he would not talk about it. Not ever. In spring 1945 he was 19 years old.
agingdem
(7,805 posts)Holocaust survivors... my father lost his parents and two sisters...he and his 4 brothers survived..my mother was the sole survivor of her family of 6..every time a documentary was on television she would get as close as she could to the screen looking for her parents, sisters, and brothers...
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I personally know of a similar story. My heart goes out...
olegramps
(8,200 posts)He said that the rarest thing to find in Germany after the war was anyone who claimed to have been a Nazi. When asked about what they thought happened to all the Jews they must have seen herded into cattle cars, not one acknowledged that it happened. They were in complete denial of how they sanctioned it by their silence. It is a complete fabrication that anti-Semitics were restricted to Germany. Many people as a result of centuries of hatred spread by Christians and demagogues had been instilled with prejudice in regard to Jews.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)And had never heard of this.
Will have to watch it although it likely won't be easy.
randr
(12,409 posts)That is because, given the chance, they would do the same.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Many in this country would gladly play this horrendous terrifying game..
I really believe that..
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The far right in this nation are as Nazi as the historical Nazis. No question about it. We better recognize this as a nation, and very soon.
MH1
(17,573 posts)depravity, is not confined to one nation, race, or time.
We certainly need to resist it here. But what should we do when we see it occur in other countries? What determines if and when the U.S. and or the international community steps in?
There were people at the time who were against the U.S. entering WWII. Some people even today seem to think we should have taken a different course. Certainly not all the choices made by leaders of the US at that time were best - and in future situations they will not be either. But should we have not intervened at all? Should we have intervened sooner?
I'm just raising these points because these are questions that need to be answered, in terms of how we confront this kind of evil.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)It seems to be handing ammunition to the Holocaust deniers to use a director who was primarily associated with fictional films rather than documentaries. It's not that big a deal, I'm sure that they would say that it was all done with special effects whoever had directed it. I just don't like the idea of making it easier for them.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)One more doesn't make that much of a difference to their addled beliefs.
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)What is really frightening is the number of people who have never learned about the Holocaust, or even worse, never heard of it! More and more people are now challenging the veracity of the Holocaust, and it is increasing.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Holocaust deniers.
Sickening.
And I think the internet emboldens their lunacy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6102570
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)burrowowl
(17,632 posts)ananda
(28,835 posts)I have seen documentary footage of camp liberation, and it was harrowing
and horrifying.
I don't know who filmed it though.
spanone
(135,795 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Paladin
(28,243 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)babydollhead
(2,231 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)about Hitchcock's documentary will air later this month), but I hope at some point to see it. Will the Hitchcock documentary itself now also be released?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I would love to see another documentary on Hitchcock.
The blu ray of NORTH BY NORTHWEST has an excellent one, but failed to mention this...
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)documentary Night and Fog (NIcht und Nebel). It's been quite awhile since I last saw it, but it has stayed with me all these years.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I saw that back in college.
Thanks for the reminder.
That's a very good film.
DamnYankeeInHouston
(1,365 posts)Action_Patrol
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(67,088 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)watched I expected to see my Father's face.
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)Will watch this later today. Thank you again for posting this.
& recommend.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Bookmarking.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)(ie 'Night Will Fall', the new documentary which tells the story of the other one, with some clips, and present-day interviews with survivors and soldiers):
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/holocaust-night-will-fall/on-demand
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)we went to Dachau. I was too young to understand what all had happened there but there was a feel about the place that set me on edge.
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)I saw a very graphic documentary on the Concentration Camps in late '60's - possibly '70 - just know I was in my very late teens. It was on television - my mother, brother and I watched it.
It was very graphic documentary footage - the piles of bodies, living skeletons ... by the end we were all just shaking - it was devastating. I have no idea its title or anything else about it. But watching it was on of the experiences that have informed and shaped my worldview, my politics & economics, my understanding of humanity ever since.
JustAnotherGen
(31,781 posts)You can see my mom's dad in pics with Eisenhower.
He didn't hesitate to take his teenage daughter and wife to the March on Washington.
He didn't blink an eye when my mom brought my dad home - all he saw was glorious Army Green.
He then warned my Green Beret dad - there will come a day when you become a pacifist.
He was right about a lot of things after Ohrdruf.
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,781 posts)How could they?
That's Ohrdruf. To the far right of the gallows is a reporter for The Stars and Stripes. To the left of Eisehower I can see someone who loved me very much. You don't see his gun - in that picture - but his job was to protect Dwight.
Even when confronted with what they had done - the people denied it. You will never see the long shot pictures of the citizens bring marched through the camp. The ones with American soldiers pointing guns at them.
15/20 years later one of the young men in that picture would come to view his own country as capable of that - in particular to black Americans. It could happen here - it could happen anywhere. Cambodia, the Kurds, Kosovo, Rwanda, Sudan . . . Who's next? And those are just since the very very REAL holocaust. That's not including the decimation of the Native population in the Western Hemisphere.