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or the Department of Treasury.
They will tell you that it concerns taxes that you paid late and not in full, and that you didn't answer their letters and therefore it's too late for your accountant to help you, and that you are about to be arrested on a criminal warrant, and they are coming to your house in 45 minutes to arrest you, you will be in jail for 6 months, you should get a criminal attorney, etc., etc.
All the color was draining out of my son's face as he was listening to this call, but luckily our accountant was immediately reachable by phone.
Our son was the fourth client this has happened to, and one of them actually went to a bank to withdraw money before he thought to call the accountant.
This is not how the IRS proceeds. This is a SCAM.
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/Scam-Phone-Calls-Continue;-IRS-Identifies-Five-Easy-Ways-to-Spot-Suspicious-Calls
WASHINGTON The Internal Revenue Service issued a consumer alert today providing taxpayers with additional tips to protect themselves from telephone scam artists calling and pretending to be with the IRS.
These callers may demand money or may say you have a refund due and try to trick you into sharing private information. These con artists can sound convincing when they call. They may know a lot about you, and they usually alter the caller ID to make it look like the IRS is calling. They use fake names and bogus IRS identification badge numbers. If you dont answer, they often leave an urgent callback request.
These telephone scams are being seen in every part of the country, and we urge people not to be deceived by these threatening phone calls, IRS Commissioner John Koskinen said. We have formal processes in place for people with tax issues. The IRS respects taxpayer rights, and these angry, shake-down calls are not how we do business.
The IRS reminds people that they can know pretty easily when a supposed IRS caller is a fake. Here are five things the scammers often do but the IRS will not do. Any one of these five things is a tell-tale sign of a scam. The IRS will never:
Call to demand immediate payment, nor will we call about taxes owed without first having mailed you a bill..
Demand that you pay taxes without giving you the opportunity to question or appeal the amount they say you owe.
Require you to use a specific payment method for your taxes, such as a prepaid debit card.
Ask for credit or debit card numbers over the phone.
Threaten to bring in local police or other law-enforcement groups to have you arrested for not paying.
If you get a phone call from someone claiming to be from the IRS and asking for money, heres what you should do:
If you know you owe taxes or think you might owe, call the IRS at 1.800.829.1040. The IRS workers can help you with a payment issue.
If you know you dont owe taxes or have no reason to believe that you do, report the incident to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) at 1.800.366.4484 or at www.tigta.gov.
You can file a complaint using the FTC Complaint Assistant; choose Other and then Imposter Scams. If the complaint involves someone impersonating the IRS, include the words IRS Telephone Scam in the notes.
Remember, too, the IRS does not use unsolicited email, text messages or any social media to discuss your personal tax issue. For more information on reporting tax scams, go to www.irs.gov and type scam in the search box.
Additional information about tax scams are available on IRS social media sites, including YouTube and Tumblr where people can search scam to find all the scam-related posts.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)Basically said that it was my last chance to avoid being sued by the "Internal Revenue Services." I immediately noticed that the recording pluralized "Services" and knew it was a scam. Plus, I figured if the Internal Revenue Service was going to sue my ass, they would notify me via mail.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)they ALWAYS start by sending you a registered letter.
For most people, that means you have to go to the post office to pick it up. You cannot ignore it, because the post office will keep sending you reminders.
In general, once you have received that letter, you have a month to either pay up or provide proof that the IRS is wrong. You go into the local IRS office with your documentation, and you may or may not be able to convince them. If they decide that you do owe the money and you can't pay it all at once, then they work out a payment plan, so much per month.
That's how it works in real life, as opposed to in SCAMLAND.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Of the ones that have come across my desk, they often seem to have a full credit report on the target.
Scares the ever-lovin' bejeesus out of the victims when they start going into details that the victim believes nobody else would know.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)after going to the bank to withdraw the cash to buy that card. And the guy wanted to stay on the phone with me for the entire time while I went to the bank and then to the drugstore. And this was supposedly my one last chance to avoid being sued for unpaid taxes.
Stay safe out there, folks.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)He said he was still giving them the Green card #'s over the phone when his wife came home and grabbed the phone out of his hands and hung up.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Unfortunately, some poor woman had fallen for it here, to the tune of 600.00.
A family member had discovered the scam, too late.
big headline in the paper..GREEN DOT SCAM.
Siwsan
(26,260 posts)http://www.abc12.com/story/27617882/bogus-call-from-irs-may-be-behind-burton-mans-suicide
BURTON (WJRT) - (12/12/14) - A Mid-Michigan family is grieving the loss of a husband and a father.
It was a death that was unexpected. His family says it was a series of phone calls, laden with threats and preying on his fears, that drove him to the unthinkable - the taking of his own life.
Eighty-year old Donald Andrews was in his Burton home Thursday morning when he received those phone calls from someone claiming to be from the IRS. What he heard shook him up so much, his sons says it drove him to take his own life.
An electronic voice can be heard to say: "The IRS has decided to initiate legal proceedings against your name."
"He was quite taken aback by that," said his son, Bob Andrews.
The voice next says: "In the next 24 hours we will be making a lien on your assets and your bank account due to your inability to settle your dues with the IRS."
"For some reason he thought this was the worst thing that could possibly happen to him I guess," Andrews said.
The voice continued: "A bill collection officer will visit you soon to complete the paper work."
Donald Andrews suffered from dementia and his son says three calls over the period of Thursday morning were apparently too much for him. He went into the garage and took his own life.
former9thward
(31,986 posts)Always by mail.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)and my son hadn't responded.
And of course he hadn't, because he'd never gotten any.
former9thward
(31,986 posts)They do not call. A phone call is a fraud.
lpbk2713
(42,754 posts)And says his name is "Bob".
P T Barnum is alive and well.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)But the person at the call-back number was Keith somebody-or-other, with an Indian accent.
That person also gave himself a very high-level sounding title, which didn't make much sense since our son would be pretty small potatoes. Why would they go after him? And yet, they had us panicking for a few minutes.
lpbk2713
(42,754 posts)... wanting to remove the virus they allegedly found on my computer
and others wanting to consolidate my credit cards.
Thanks but no thanks, CLICK.
Hekate
(90,656 posts)....there's been a slew of similar scams, and the best thing to do is tell your friends and neighbors.
I hate scamsters. Glad your son is okay.
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Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The way I got 'scammed' was a couple years ago I filed my taxes and got a letter from IRS asking why I filed twice
I did not file twice, however I had used the extension form to file late. I think I was on a list somewhere & someone else took advantage of that info.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Heavily Accented person: "I'm from the IT Department. We have detected problems with Windows on your computer. It needs to be fixed or we will cut it off from the internet."
Me: Really? Well since I have Linux on my PC's, I'm rather shocked you detected Windows problems. Maybe I can transfer you to the local FCC office and they can help you find people with "Windows problems that need to be fixed?"
:click:
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)pronounced Indian accent. Didn't bite.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)for the umpteenth time in months. When he said with a heavy accent that he was with Microsoft, I said that I don't use Microsoft because I have a Mac and have no problems with my computer. Then I hung up.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)They are so kind to warn me about, I took Windows off my computer and put Linux on it. They curse and hang up.
Atman
(31,464 posts)I've dealt with them. If you go into the nearest IRS office and talk to them (or even on the phone), they tend to be very accommodating. They don't want the extra paper work, they just want to get some agreement. That said, many years ago (probably doesn't apply the current de-funded IRS), an IRS agent called my office. My assistant answered the phone and the guy yelled at her and said they were coming to put padlocks on the doors. She was rightfully panicked, but this was a personal issue, nothing to do with my business. I went to the IRS office the next day, told them what this agent had done. They called him into the office, reamed him out in front of me, forgave the late fees they wrongfully claimed I owed, and we went on our merry way. The IRS is NEVER, EVER allowed to talk to an employee. Only the person responsible for any supposed debt.
Once the douche bag was out of the way, the main guy, his supervisor, was very polite and friendly and we worked out a perfectly reasonable payment for my personal debt...which, again, had nothing to do with my business. Point being, just be nice, don't panic. They don't want the hassle any more than you do. It's been more than twenty years, but any time I've had to deal with the IRS they've actually been pretty friendly. I know it pains some to read this.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)but certainly not competent enough to give you a phone call.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)so I wasn't prepared for the vicious sounding person on the phone.
Ohio Joe
(21,755 posts)My first IT job called with their offer on a Friday and they wanted me to start on Monday. I told them the 300 mile commute each way was too much and that it would take me a bit to find a place to live. They offered corporate accommodations and I took it. I was making peanuts (18k a year) and the HR person knew it, so she let me stay for 5 months since they had nobody using them. Nobody ever told me it would all be considered income though When I got my tax form at the end of the year it had a massive report attached that detailed everything I made that year... All the rent, maid service, food allotment... Other crap... It pretty much doubled my income (it was an awesome place on the Connecticut River with a balcony that went out over the river) but had only taken taxes out based on my salary... I figured it out and I owed a few thousand... Yeah, still peanuts in the grand scheme of things but I simply did not have it. I called, they let me set my own payment, then reduced it and stretched it a bit more, told me to call if I was ever going to miss a payment and it would not be a problem (I did do it a few times and it never was, just a call) and it was done. Hell, I did not even get interest or a fine... No muss, no fuss.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)With a New York area code, I think. (And a thick overseas accent, but I tend to expect that from call centres these days.) My 'local' IRS office would be out of Cincinnati, so I just ignore them.
sarisataka
(18,621 posts)I told them I was looking forward to reminding the police we do not have debtors prison and a hearing is needed before a person can be held on a tax matter. I would have coffee ready for the officers.
Wasted a pot of coffee.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)before I passed the phone message to my son.
If it ever happens again I'll have a better response.
sarisataka
(18,621 posts)Was that I had been in contact with the IRS less than a month earlier.
I had made an error three years prior on my 1040 that had gone undetected for over two years. The result was I had been over paid $300. the IRS had accepted my explanation of how it was an honest mistake and I had just finished working out a repayment deal with them.
I knew therefore 100% the call was a scam.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)that I hadn't overlooked a piece of mail addressed to my son, in the small mountain of mail that starts arriving in September and continues through Christmas.
So if he was in trouble for not answering mail, it could have been my fault. A miserable thought for a mother.
sarisataka
(18,621 posts)With that knowledge I would likely have been less of a smart ass.
Next time let them have it
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)I will be in much better shape to respond.
But usually I don't even answer calls from unknown locations. Unfortunately it was my husband who answered the phone this time, and he is less likely to just ignore these calls. We've all learned our lesson this time.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Trekologer
(997 posts)The scammers left a message on my voicemail demanding that I call them back "or else". I immediately knew it was a scam but called back just to play with them a bit. I got the guy pretty ticked off in the process, so that was a little fun.
A lot of scams tend to originate from overseas and there are frequently subtle hints that the phone call or email is not real. For instance, the "IRS" caller used phrases that you just wouldn't hear an American say, such as "pray for mercy as the situation unfolds badly onto you". Phishing emails might look legitimate on their face but frequently have spelling mistakes or similar phrasing that is likely literal translations from a foreign language. I got a phishing email from "Online shop Walmart" saying they "received an order, whose recipient is you. The order can be picked in any local store of our network."
An important reminder is that no one, not the IRS or a utility, or credit card company, etc. is going to demand that you go to 7-11 or CVS and buy a prepaid credit/debit card (such as the Green Dot ones) then provide them with the number. No company is going to need you to confirm your information via an unsolicited email/call/SMS.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)I think I would have figured it out a little more quickly.
The worst part for me was that it involved my son (a college senior), and I was watching his face, and I was feeling responsible since I was wondering if I had lost a piece of important mail amidst the junk we are always inundated with. So I didn't start thinking clearly till we got off the phone.
The weird part is that they named a figure that he owed (more than he made that whole year since he only had a summer job), but didn't ask him to pay it. Just said that they would be coming to arrest him. Maybe they were expecting him to beg for mercy. Instead he just said okay and hung up.